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« on: 28 December 2006, 13:48:36 »

A:  This is the master list where I'll collate all posts made under this one.

Please do not post to this thread until you are at a 'final' stage in your own entry thread: (equivalent to putting up the 'Dev Status 4 - Ready for Upload' icon).    Once everyone's contributions are in, we can all look at everything together and start 'juggling' prices and adjusting against each other's trade goods  ;)  - and then the master list can keep on being revised right here until IT is ready to go up to the Compendium by consensus!

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B:  Just a quick note on format, so everyone is on the same page: please type your entries like this, use numerals rather than the words for numbers, with no commas or decimals (note that all prices listed here are placeholders, not verified), and use the organization system and heading titles as they are on the site, if possible!  Gar has very kindly provided master formatting (see the master list below), and can reformat each 'section' of the list as need be when it's ready.

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C:  Here are the rest of the items that were in my list - I didn't see any sense in wasting that work, so I've sorted them into categories.  Note that they aren't 'correctly formatted' and that the prices should be ignored!   If you see a category you've reserved, go ahead and copy and paste those items and start your own thread for it, as I've done for foodstuffs.  If you don't yet have a category, feel free to reserve one of these, or give me some ideas I've missed!  I'll remove the category from here as soon as it has its own thread.

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CHANDLER’S ITEMS
Firestarter set   One pouch      A waterproofed leather pouch holds a chunk of flint, a finger’s worth of steel, and some  ‘punk’ (powder-dry wood/fungus/birchbark scraps) for tinder
 Lantern, tin, pierced tin panes         A tall tin box, its sides pierced in decorative patterns to let candlelight through, with a metal loop atop, is the common lantern, often locally made
Lantern, tin, glass-paned         This tin frame holds four small glass panes around a tin base with candle and tin top with hanger; it casts more light than the common pierced lantern   
Torch (cheap light source)   1 prepared split of wood, bound with tarred straw     
Candle, tallow   4, each a handsbreadth in length   Cheap   These tallow candles burn quickly and smell faintly of pig meat – but they’re cheap and easy to find
Candle, candlebush wax   1, a hand-n-half in length   Most expensive   This elegant herb candle has a natural pinkish colour and gentle fragrance
Candle, beeswax   Sold in pairs, a hand-n-half in length   Medium   The honey-scent and long-burning qualities of beeswax make these candles popular       

IMPLEMENTS & TOOLS:

Knife, iron, eating   One utensil      A common eating knife, with a wood or bone handle; the tip is pointed but the single edge relatively dull
Knife, steel, defense   single weapon, price varies by blade length, steel quality, and forgemark      A fighting knife, used primarily for cutting or slashing; double-edged steel often with a leather-wrapped handle
Knife, steel,  multipurpose   2 spans to a half-fore steel blade      This steel work blade is a handy size for a belt knife, useful for whittling, cleaning hooves, cutting apples, or what-have-you around the farm
Saw, carpenter’s   One small saw      A carpenter’s saw is about a fore’s length, with a forged and crimped toothed blade handled at one end
Saw,  forester’s   One large saw      This large double-handled saw has a sharp-toothed blade about a ped’s length and is used for cutting trees
 Shovel, wooden   1 implement      The wooden shovel is cheaper than its metal cousin, often hand-carved by the remote or poorer peasants and farmers
Shovel, metal blade   1 implement      This wooden-handled shovel has a squared steel blade set at its end and cuts through even packed dirt easily
 Spoon, wood   one eating utensil      A wooden spoon is usually handcarved by its owner, but particularly well-worked exemplars may be purchased as inexpensive gifts
Spoon, iron / tin    one eating utensil      This metal spoon has a deep bowl and a hole punched through the top of the handle so that it may be hung
Spoon, silver   one eating utensil      A silver spoon leaves no bitter taste in the mouth, so the nobles who use this elegant utensil say
Chisel, for wood   ½ fore in length       A smoothed wooden handle and sharp, angled steel blade make this chisel useful for woodcarvers
Chisel, for stone   ½ fore to 1 fore      This solid cylinder of steel, with a heavy head and sharp tip, must be a stone chisel

FABRICS, FURS, FLEECES & GARMENTS:
Cloth, cotton, undyed   1 ped   1 – 2 erg   Undyed and handspun cotton is woven into this simple cloth in natural shades
Cloth, Caltharian   1 ped    2 – 3 erg   Brightly dyed in gaudy patterns, this cloth is unique to the Caltharian tribe
Cloth, Shendarsilk   1 ped      An expensive artisan’s fabric from the nomadic Shendar of the Rahaz’Dath
Cloth, Yuatu’way fiber    1 ped  (One cart =  2 Azhorhrian horses…)   Very expensive!
   Made from the fiber of the totit by the desert Sory’int, this pricy fabric has a delicate strength and lovely sheen
Cloth, wool   1 ped   4 – 6 erg   Sturdy woolen cloth will keep you warm in winter and comes in various weights for various purposes         
Fleece, sheep - Cuncu   Popular, higher quality     
Fleece, sheep - Sawis, black   Expensive!     
Fleece,  sheep - Sawis, regular   Commonly available      The wavy wool of this common Sawis fleece comes in various off-whites and brown shades; the back is soft-tanned
Fur, Tarep (domestic rabbit)   Ten – twelve skins as a miniature bale   inexpensive   Quickly-tanned rabbit skins are not very supple, but the fur is soft and inexpensive, sold in bales of a dozen
Fur, Mimsy (small mammal)   Ten – twelve skins as a miniature bale   medium   
Fur, Leapor (wild hare)   Ten – twelve skins as a miniature bale   Popular import   These wild hare skins are imported from the northern regions; the fur is warm and the leather below flexible
Fur, Wolverine (rare import)   Single skin, stretched, suppled, tanned   pricy   Long, silver-tipped fur on this pelt has the quality of not freezing up when breathed on – popular for hood linings
Fur, Nul’tum (very rare, northern)   Single skin, stretched, suppled, tanned   Insanely pricy...   The luxuriously soft fur of the Northern Nul’tum is without peer, making this pelt an expensive luxury
Fur, Argrothin Bear   Single large hide, stretched, tanned   expensive   A stretched bearskin, over a pallet in area, with the head and paws carefully tanned out as well, for a floor covering
Fur, Capricus ( wild goat)   Single medium hide, tanned   Med/high   This tanned hide has a rather goatish scent, but the hand-length, dark thick fur is appealing and warm.

         
 LIVESTOCK:             
Cow, milch   one 2 – 4 year-old animal      A widehipped dairy cow with gentle brown eyes and small, trimmed horns
Cow, meat   one 2 – 4 year-old animal      This small but beefy bovine looks to have plenty of good eating on her…
Tarep -   Two, 6 months – 1 year domestic rabbits (sold in male/female breeding pairs)   
Sheep, Cuncu (wool breed)   1 healthy animal, 1 – 5 years      A fluffy, round animal with large dull eyes and a thick fleece in various natural off-white to tan shades
Sheep, Dor’iyn (milker)   1 healthy animal      This wooly beast is good mostly for converting grass into sheepmilk, which in turn becomes a rich cheese
Sheep, Sawis (wool breed)   1 healthy animal      The deep black fleece of the Sawis is coveted by weavers as it needs no dying and is naturally colour-fast
Taenish, (domestic fowl), hen, live   One bird, 4 months – 2 years     
Taenish, rooster, live   One bird, 4 months – 2 years     
Goat, milch   one 1 – 5 year-old animal      A shaggy goat with slotted yellow eyes, stubby horns, and a full milk bag
Garthook, hen, live, (domestic fowl)   One 3 month – 2 year old bird     
Garthook, male, live   One 3 month – 2 year old bird     

Psittae (small cagebirds)   Two birds (mated pair)      These bright, noisy little birds are always sold in bonded male/female pairs and thrive on attention and seed
Horse, common   Price varies wildly depending upon age, gender, condition, and market   5 –  10 gold nune   This common equine has four legs, a head, and a tail, but its most significant feature is the broad back which will carry humans reliably – and this form of transport finds its own food along the way           
Horse, Azhorhrian (imported)   One gelded, healthy animal    600 nune / goldbards – 1 mithrene   The acme of horseflesh, these stunning beasts are rarely found outside ***, and then only as geldings
Horse, Kev’lor, mare /gelding      80 – 300 gold nune    This huge beast is a northern Kev’lor warhorse, out of most pocketbooks
Horse, Kev’lor, stallion       100 – 500 gold nune   This gigantic stallion is an intemperate Kev’lor warhorse from the north
Horse, Rusik,  gelding      40 – 70 gold nune   A leggy mustang from the plains of ***, the Rusik gelding has stamina and speed, if not elegance.
   
 WEAPONS & ARMOUR:
       
Sword, human-forged steel         
Sword, dwarven-forged steel         
Sword,  custom-made steel         



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San
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BEASTS, DOMESTIC
BEASTS, WILD
   Kuatuone weaned squirrel pup, 6 months, not hand-shy, 2 hebs   N/A
N/A
CHANDLER’S ITEMS
   Firestarter KitOne pouch.  A waterproofed leather pouch holds a chunk of flint, a finger’s worth of steel, and some  ‘punk’ (powder-dry wood/fungus/birchbark scraps) for tinder   
   Lantern, tin, pierced tin panesA tall tin box, its sides pierced in decorative patterns to let candlelight through, with a metal loop atop, is the common lantern, often locally made   
   Lantern, tin, glass-panedThis tin frame holds four small glass panes around a tin base with candle and tin top with hanger; it casts more light than the common pierced lantern   
   Torch (cheap light source)1 prepared split of wood, bound with tarred straw   
   Candle, tallow4, each a handsbreadth in length   Cheap   These tallow candles burn quickly and smell faintly of pig meat – but they’re cheap and easy to find   
   Candle, candlebush wax1, a hand-n-half in length   Most expensive   This elegant herb candle has a natural pinkish colour and gentle fragrance   
   Candle, beeswaxSold in pairs, a hand-n-half in length   Medium   The honey-scent and long-burning qualities of beeswax make these candles popular   
FABRICS, FURS, FLEECES & GARMENTS
   Cloth, cotton, undyed 1 ped   1 – 2 erg   Undyed and handspun cotton is woven into this simple cloth in natural shades   
   Cloth, Caltharian 1 ped    2 – 3 erg   Brightly dyed in gaudy patterns, this cloth is unique to the Caltharian tribe   
   Cloth, Shendarsilk 1 ped      An expensive artisan’s fabric from the nomadic Shendar of the Rahaz’Dath   
   Cloth, Yuatu’way fiber 1 ped  (One cart =  2 Azhorhrian horses…)   Very expensive!
   Made from the fiber of the totit by the desert Sory’int, this pricy fabric has a delicate strength and lovely sheen
   
   Cloth, wool 1 ped   4 – 6 erg   Sturdy woolen cloth will keep you warm in winter and comes in various weights for various purposes   
   Fleece, sheep Cuncu   Popular, higher quality   
   Fleece, sheep Sawis, black   Expensive!   
   Fleece,  sheep Sawis, regular   Commonly available      The wavy wool of this common Sawis fleece comes in various off-whites and brown shades; the back is soft-tanned   
   Fur, Tarep (domestic rabbit) Ten – twelve skins as a miniature bale   inexpensive   Quickly-tanned rabbit skins are not very supple, but the fur is soft and inexpensive, sold in bales of a dozen   
   Fur, Mimsy (small mammal) Ten – twelve skins as a miniature bale   medium   
   Fur, Leapor (wild hare) Ten – twelve skins as a miniature bale   Popular import   These wild hare skins are imported from the northern regions; the fur is warm and the leather below flexible   
   Fur, Wolverine (rare import) Single skin, stretched, suppled, tanned   pricy   Long, silver-tipped fur on this pelt has the quality of not freezing up when breathed on – popular for hood linings   
   Fur, Nul’tum (very rare, northern) Single skin, stretched, suppled, tanned   Insanely pricy...   The luxuriously soft fur of the Northern Nul’tum is without peer, making this pelt an expensive luxury   
   Fur, Argrothin Bear Single large hide, stretched, tanned   expensive   A stretched bearskin, over a pallet in area, with the head and paws carefully tanned out as well, for a floor covering   
   Fur, Capricus ( wild goat) Single medium hide, tanned   Med/high   This tanned hide has a rather goatish scent, but the hand-length, dark thick fur is appealing and warm.   
GEMSTONES
   Pearlone single medium unflawed white pearl, 3 grains circumference   1 Silverbard
100
   Rubiteone single medium rubite, good colouration   1 Copperbard, 10 San
60
IMPLEMENTS & TOOLS
   Knife, iron, eating One utensil      A common eating knife, with a wood or bone handle; the tip is pointed but the single edge relatively dull   
   Knife, steel,  multipurpose 2 spans to a half-fore steel blade      This steel work blade is a handy size for a belt knife, useful for whittling, cleaning hooves, cutting apples, or what-have-you around the farm   
   Saw, carpenter’s One small saw      A carpenter’s saw is about a fore’s length, with a forged and crimped toothed blade handled at one end   
   Saw,  forester’s One large saw      This large double-handled saw has a sharp-toothed blade about a ped’s length and is used for cutting trees   
   Shovel, wooden 1 implement      The wooden shovel is cheaper than its metal cousin, often hand-carved by the remote or poorer peasants and farmers   
   Shovel, metal blade 1 implement      This wooden-handled shovel has a squared steel blade set at its end and cuts through even packed dirt easily   
   Spoon, wood one eating utensil      A wooden spoon is usually handcarved by its owner, but particularly well-worked exemplars may be purchased as inexpensive gifts   
   Spoon, iron / tin one eating utensil      This metal spoon has a deep bowl and a hole punched through the top of the handle so that it may be hung   
   Spoon, silver one eating utensil      A silver spoon leaves no bitter taste in the mouth, so the nobles who use this elegant utensil say   
   Chisel, wood ½ fore in length       A smoothed wooden handle and sharp, angled steel blade make this chisel useful for woodcarvers   
   Chisel, stone ½ fore to 1 fore      This solid cylinder of steel, with a heavy head and sharp tip, must be a stone chisel   
LIVESTOCK
   Cow, milch one 2 – 4 year-old animal      A widehipped dairy cow with gentle brown eyes and small, trimmed horns   
   Cow, meat one 2 – 4 year-old animal      This small but beefy bovine looks to have plenty of good eating on her   
   Tarep Two, 6 months – 1 year domestic rabbits (sold in male/female breeding pairs)   
   Sheep, Cuncu (wool breed) 1 healthy animal, 1 – 5 years      A fluffy, round animal with large dull eyes and a thick fleece in various natural off-white to tan shades   
   Sheep, Dor’iyn (milker) 1 healthy animal      This wooly beast is good mostly for converting grass into sheepmilk, which in turn becomes a rich cheese   
   Sheep, Sawis (wool breed) 1 healthy animal      The deep black fleece of the Sawis is coveted by weavers as it needs no dying and is naturally colour-fast   
   Taenish, (domestic fowl), hen, live One bird, 4 months – 2 years   
   Taenish, rooster, live One bird, 4 months – 2 years   
   Goat, milch one 1 – 5 year-old animal      A shaggy goat with slotted yellow eyes, stubby horns, and a full milk bag   
   Garthook, hen, live, (domestic fowl) One 3 month – 2 year old bird   
   Garthook, male, live One 3 month – 2 year old bird   
   Psittae (small cagebirds) Two birds (mated pair)      These bright, noisy little birds are always sold in bonded male/female pairs and thrive on attention and seed   
   Horse, common Price varies wildly depending upon age, gender, condition, and market   5 –  10 gold nune   This common equine has four legs, a head, and a tail, but its most significant feature is the broad back which will carry humans reliably – and this form of transport finds its own food along the way   
   Horse, Azhorhrian (imported) One gelded, healthy animal    600 nune / goldbards – 1 mithrene   The acme of horseflesh, these stunning beasts are rarely found outside ***, and then only as geldings   
   Horse, Kev’lor, mare /gelding 80 – 300 gold nune    This huge beast is a northern Kev’lor warhorse, out of most pocketbooks   
   Horse, Kev’lor, stallion 100 – 500 gold nune   This gigantic stallion is an intemperate Kev’lor warhorse from the north   
   Horse, Rusik,  gelding 40 – 70 gold nune   A leggy mustang from the plains of ***, the Rusik gelding has stamina and speed, if not elegance.   
WEAPONS
   Swordtwo-handed, dwarven-forged steel laminate, Kurakim tribe   9 silverbards
900
   Swordbastard, Santhalan human-smithed iron   5 silverbards
600
   Sword custom-made steel    
   Knife, steel, defense single weapon, price varies by blade length, steel quality, and forgemark      A fighting knife, used primarily for cutting or slashing; double-edged steel often with a leather-wrapped handle   

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« Reply #1 on: 29 December 2006, 13:57:43 »

I've put up the 'Foodstuffs' category.

Please read through the post above so we can keep everything organized and consistent, and feel free to help yourself to any of the categories or things contained therein... I didn't think we needed to waste the work I'd done on the list already, so I sorted out whatever wasn't food and put it into some temporary groups - but I'm sure I've missed some things, so input is helpful...

For example - should I be including Drinks in with my Foodstuffs, or should we have another category: Drinks, Snacks, and Ready-to-Eat?  That would quite nicely cover anything one might want to purchase at an inn, a bar, or a street stall, and be of great use to our RPG players almost instantly...  :)
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« Reply #2 on: 29 December 2006, 15:04:21 »

I'd say stuff like hunting animals, drinks and such (subdivided into alcoholic and non-alcoholic)
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« Reply #3 on: 30 December 2006, 11:53:12 »

Is it possible to have the list in a more readable format?  If you wish, I could go through and do this.  Something along the lines of this for example.

GEMSTONES
   Pearlone single medium unflawed white pearl, 3 grains circumference   100 coppers
   Pearlone single medium unflawed white pearl, 3 grains circumference   100 coppers
         
BEASTS, DOMESTIC
   Cowone 2-year old Rimmilch milch cow, unbred   2 silverbards 50 coppers
   Cowone 2-year old beef cow, 50 hebs, unbred   2 silverbards 10 coppers
      
BEASTS, WILD
   Kuatuone weaned squirrel pup, 6 months, not hand-shy   2 hebs
      
WEAPONS
   Swordtwo-handed, dwarven-forged steel laminate, Kurakim tribe   9 silverbards
   Swordbastard, Santhalan human-smithed iron   5 silverbards
      
      

I'll go through and do all of your lists like this if you wish me to.  I find such coding rather simple myself.  Let me know.  I just find this viewing method a little easier to read.
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« Reply #4 on: 30 December 2006, 14:05:34 »

Gar, you sweetie!  (smooooooch smooch)

It's WAY  easier to read....

(thinks)

BUT is it just as easy for us all to edit - and, can it be copied and pasted into Art's HTML format or will it all screw up again anyhow? 

Please let me know ASAP so we can let people know about formatting their entries for readability and ease-of-use...

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« Reply #5 on: 30 December 2006, 14:52:46 »

Well I can easily make it into HTML format as well.  As for everyone making it into that format, I can easy copy what they have and past it into it.  But here is the code for this board.

Code:
[table]
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            [td][size=8pt] [/size][/td]
            [td][size=8pt][/size][/td]
            [td][size=8pt] [/size][/td]
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            [td][size=8pt] [/size][/td]
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But I can easily make one post, and copy everything into it if you wish.  Like I said, such coding come easy to me.  I await your reply.
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« Reply #6 on: 30 December 2006, 16:02:34 »

*I* think it's tons easier on the eyes, fer sure.  Do mine, do mine!  Then I'll rewrite my first post and ask people NOT to put in any punctuation so that the lists can be formatted more easily - and IM you for formatting if they don't know how to 'table' it.   That way they can choose.... but when it comes time to put everything together, all the items will still be in the same order and sequence.  Oh, leave enough room in the first 'column' so that if necessary there can be two words - like 'Tarep, Domestic' vs 'Tarep, Wild'...

I also need to ask Art what the simplest way for him to organize it will be.

Thanks so much, Gar - I have tried to figure tabling out before in this board and never did get it right!
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« Reply #7 on: 30 December 2006, 16:11:52 »

okay.  I'll work on your list tonight.  How do you want me to post it?  In a new thread so the master list is the first post in the thread/  Or do you want me to just past the code here in this thread in a post?
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« Reply #8 on: 30 December 2006, 16:52:17 »

Oh, don't worry about me - if I prepare things for the site I'll have to make an own HTML table anyway, but having it organized on the Forum so that we can actually see the rows properly of course helps tremendously. It helps the eye, and for integration. How precisely I can realize tables in a Flash movie I'll first have to see anyway.

Concerning the prices: The thing I personally would consider is to list everything perhaps (also) in sans only, simply to have an easier reference point. E.g. write "2 silverbards 50 coppers" and "250 sans" in another row as perhaps not everyone knows the value of a silverbard (or a nune, a hak etc.). So in order not to make it too difficult for the untrained eye the very simple basic value based on the smallest unit would help.

Especially if you read things like Niccoli's post:

Eya-Hoe- Common- Wood and Iron- 1 Erg 3 Sans
Farm Axe- Common- Wood and Iron- 3 Ergs 4 Sans
Hoe- Common- Wood and Iron- 2 Ergs
Plow- Wood and Iron- Common- 1 Copperbard 3 Sans

There you very soon get lost as you lack an easy reference point in order to make comparisons.
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« Reply #9 on: 30 December 2006, 19:47:37 »

Okay.  I'll make sure I add a fourth column to table for San worth. 
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« Reply #10 on: 31 December 2006, 05:29:15 »

Absolutely - an excellent idea.   The more costly items will wind up being millions of sans, but at least we have a 'reference point' as you note - and that's how the average person would think about things anyhow!    Because although sans are our smallest unit, they are not pyschologically equivalent to a penny - but rather to a dollar, or to a euro - since those are about the minimum amount with which one can purchase something.

Which leads one to think - are there 'San Stalls' in New Santhala, just as we have 'Dollar Stores'?, with all kinds of semi-useful items mixed up with cheap tat?   :)
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« Reply #11 on: 31 December 2006, 18:34:06 »

Sorry for not getting list up like promised.  Got dragged off to play poker, should have stayed home, lost $40 :(  But I'm still ahead overall $60 so I guess I can't really complain.   undecided

Will work on it today, being the 31st.  May not be done till afternoon on the 1st, seeing as it is new years and all.

Also though, could I get an answer to my questions. 
okay.  I'll work on your list tonight.  How do you want me to post it?  In a new thread so the master list is the first post in the thread/  Or do you want me to just past the code here in this thread in a post?
Not trying to rush you or anything, just thought by chance the question got missed by the several posts after it.
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« Reply #12 on: 31 December 2006, 23:48:41 »

Gar:  yes, please just post it here - then I can copy the code to the first post in this thread so that everyone sees what format to use.   Thanks!
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« Reply #13 on: 01 January 2007, 04:15:35 »


Especially if you read things like Niccoli's post:

Eya-Hoe- Common- Wood and Iron- 1 Erg 3 Sans
Farm Axe- Common- Wood and Iron- 3 Ergs 4 Sans
Hoe- Common- Wood and Iron- 2 Ergs
Plow- Wood and Iron- Common- 1 Copperbard 3 Sans

There you very soon get lost as you lack an easy reference point in order to make comparisons.

Right, so I just convert to all sans. Not difficult at all.
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« Reply #14 on: 01 January 2007, 08:52:25 »

No, hon, listing a hoe as costing 2 ergs is just fine.  What we want is a fourth column that ALSO converts that price to sans.    Just add the san equivalent behind each existing price.
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