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« Reply #15 on: 13 January 2008, 16:12:18 »

  Thanks for clarifying that, Judith--I also hoped for someone to, em, set my bearings straight?  I'm not coming up with the right phrase, but, anyway, thanks for the context of what this town hall is about.

  What I'm hoping for is entirely selfish: When a Dalorin, Blood Mage, or other technical person wants to refer to some part of the body, he/she/it should have a jargon name for the body part they're referring to.  It probably would unsettle the average person if a supposedly learned Ximaxian philosopher of medical arts referred to someone's stomach as their 'tum-tum', for example.  So, this is a sort of medical dictionary of anatomy in modern-day Santharia, with notes on alternative nomenclature for various parts.

  Deci, I like your suggestion of 'Dedons' largely because it's borrowed from Spanish.  At the same time, Judy's description of the hand digits is elegant and poetic, and I really think we ought to keep that scheme as a major part of this anthology.  Maybe if we could associate the word 'dedon' with a particular tribe or region of Caelereth, we could assign it significance in a certain part of the world?

  Judy, thanks for bringing up the organs you just mentioned.  With your permission, I'd like to add those to the first post of this list?
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« Reply #16 on: 13 January 2008, 16:21:46 »

  Oh, one additional thought: The terran medieval concept of blood flow theorized that blood was produced in the heart, flowed out to all parts of the body through the veins, and returned by some miraculous, undetected osmosis or some sort of transport.  The idea of a closed-circuit of blood circulation didn't come until later; roughly in the Renaissance, I think?

  So, there would be no mention of 'arteries' in a medieval text on anatomy, because all blood flowed away from the heart in veins.  Blood returning to the heart in another sort of tubes (arteries) couldn't be proven until the idea of oxygenation of the blood, and extraction of oxygen from the blood by peripheral tissues, could be demonstrated several centuries after our time frame of reference.
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« Reply #17 on: 13 January 2008, 17:11:32 »

  Here are some suggestions, just to get things started:

Neckthong veins (for subclavian arteries)
Trigus veins (for terran brachial veins & arteries)
Foretwist veins (for radial & ulnar arteries)
Belt veins (for iliac arteries)
Loin veins (for femoral arteries & veins)
Greeve veins (for saphenous arteries & veins)

Brain
Spinal marrow (for spinal cord)
Spinal column, consists of spinal bones
  Segments: Neck, back, girdle
Bullshead nerve net (for brachial plexus)
Girdle nerve net (for lumbosacral plexus)
Trystus nerve (for median nerve)
Foretwist nerve (for radial nerve)
Neathtwist nerve (for ulnar nerve)
Forethigh nerve (for femoral nerve)
Flank nerve (for sciatic nerve)
Ladle nerve (for tibial nerve)
Tang nerve (for peroneal nerve)

Eyes
Eye pigments (for retina) (no singular form)
Eye root (for optic nerve)
Eye crystal (for lens)

Nose
Nostrils
Gremar eminence, abbr. Gremar (for bridge of nose)
Nasal stanchion (for nasal septum)
Nasal chambers (for paranasal sinuses)
Nasal flaps (for nasal turbinates)

Ear
Earlobe
Ear fanion (upper, cartilaginous part of outer ear)
Ear passage (for auditory canal)
JaYehruhntinn (Thergerim "Ear hammering", for eardrum)

  Any ideas?
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« Reply #18 on: 14 January 2008, 04:05:31 »

  A few more random thoughts:

Peduncle (for appendix)
Bowels (for, well, bowels)
Bladder (for urinary bladder)
Bile reservoir (for gall bladder)
Bedrock, or wellspring of choler (for spleen)
Kidneys, or Polulinn Ankulka (Thergerim, "laughing water")
Suet (for adipose tisse)

  Still ruminating on names for the genitalia.  Animal names might be tolerable for colloquial usage, but probably not acceptable for technical jargon.  Any ideas?
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« Reply #19 on: 14 January 2008, 07:25:52 »

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Love 'fanion'!  And 'stanchion' - and 'bedrock'...     

Why Gremar?  Shouldn't it be Gebl, famous for his...um... nose?  (blinks innocently)

Have to regretfully nix the ThergerimTaal though, as dwarves just don't do dissections.... no one would borrow 'technical' language from them for anatomy.  Mining, digging, stones and ores - well, that's another matter!  But if you want to use the same derivations from gnomish, that's fine.

'Kidneys' then might be 'hygronki' (quasi-latin 'hy' to suggest water, 'gron' to suggest dirt or filth, and 'ki' just to sound gnomic... (giggles) - and if we could find how Gnomish pluralizes things, that would be important too.

'Eardrum' is actually rather nice as is, with its 'kenning' of drumhead, pounding, vibration, etc.   But how about 'Trrtuk' or 'Tuntuk' - an oenomatopaic (sp?) naming that also suggests vibration and drumming?

How about 'bilewell' for gallbladder?  'Mumbles' refers to all the organs in the body cavity, doesn't it?   Where were the 'lights' in the expression 'liver and lights'?
'Apple of the eye' literally meant the pupil once, didn't it?

'Retina' might be more elegantly rendered as 'Eyetint', 'Eyebanners' (in the heraldic sense of showing one's colours) or merely 'buckler' ('Her eyes were piercing, their bucklers an icy blue like the winter sky..."

We forgot the hamstring! (no Achilles in this universe)


Genitals:  OK, I've tried to use discretion here!

Male parts:   Staff, globes, ceedsac, ceedveins
Female parts:  Escutcheon, honourseal, nubbin / womb, eyrenvase, lillylines (ovaries and tubes)

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« Reply #20 on: 14 January 2008, 09:05:04 »

Wow, this is terrific, Judy!  grin  I'll have to go point by point through this:

  • Okay, so 'fanion', 'stanchion', and 'bedrock' stay.
  • Thanks, didn't know Gebl was thus...endowed. [ahem] So, the nasal bridge shall be called the Gebl.
  • 'Hygronki' sounds sufficiently Gnomish to me.  From what I've read, they pluralize by adding "i" to the end of the singular noun, so maybe 'hygronk' could denote one kidney?
  • 'Eardrum' sounds good to me, if you say it's genuine Tharian.  And, great idea--how about we go with 'Tuntuk' as the Gnomish jargon for eardrum?
  • 'Bilewell' does roll off the tongue better.
  • Thanks, I forgot about 'mumbles'!  What a great word!
  • I confess my ignorance.  What, exactly, are the 'lights' in 'liver and lights'?
  • 'Apple of the eye'--brilliant!  Could we use 'eyebanners' for the irises, and maintain 'eye pigments' for the retinas?
  • 'Hamstrings'!!!  What a fool I've been, all these long years, to have forgotten 'hamstrings'!
  • May I suggest 'haunches' to refer to the buttocks?
Re: vis-a-vis, with particular attention to, the, em, genitalia.  Any Swedish speakers, please don't hate me for this suggestion!
Okay, here's a suggestion I have: What if we looked at the original terms in Latin, translated them to Swedish (which looks a little like Gnomish to me), and then scramble the letters a bit so that we have genuinely Santharian jargon terms?
  • 'Svranf', Gnomish for "tail"
  • 'Virkilf', Gn. for "fold"
  • 'Purtverfka', Gn. for "pouch"
  • 'Kopkin', Gn. for "button"
  • 'Myrnin', Gn. for "orifice/opening"
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« Reply #21 on: 14 January 2008, 10:45:35 »

WARNING:  This message contains a serious discussion of possible Tharian (Santharian language resembling English) names for genitalia.  The relevant names are provided in English.  If you are under 13, or not allowed to view such words in your country, or are easily offended, please just go away and read something else.  There's plenty of choices!  Thanks...


Kelancy and anyone else who IS over 13 and wants to discuss naming of body parts in a mature and broadminded manner, go ahead and scroll down...


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Swedish!  Absolutely brill!   OK, so there are the gnomish words - I like them all.  As an aside, who's working on Gnomic at the moment; anyone besides me informally?

Next step:  derive the Tharian word for those parts from the gnomish words!
Which gives us the following.....  (new suggestions have question marks)

MALE EXTERNALS

Gluteus maximus: rump, tail, seat, buttocks
Penis:  staff, male organ (?)
Testicles:  globes, seedsacs, fatherglands
Scrotum:  pouch, purka, purfa (from the gnomish 'Purtverfka')

MALE INTERNALS
Prostate: red walnut (?)
Vesicales: seedfields (?)
Urethra: urine channel (?)

FEMALE EXTERNALS

Gluteus maximus: rump, tail, seat, buttocks
Pubis (all-inclusive): escutcheon
Labia:  lips, petals, 'kilfi' (plural form of 'kilf', lip, from the gnomish)
Clitoris: nubbin (?) kopkin (from the gnomish), honourseal

FEMALE INTERNALS

Vaginal canal: birth canal, myrnin
Uterus: womb, eyrenvase (?)
Ovaries & fallopians: lilylines, courseveins (mistakenly associated with menstrual functions)



Have I forgotten anything?  Comments and suggestions welcome!

NOTE:  I highly doubt that we will see any of these words used frequently in entries, whether in bestiary entries to describe mating proceedures, in Santharian love poetry, or the first Santh erotic short stories,  but one never knows when one might need the correct word.  And I'm not sure about where to post the finished result, either, as we don't want people searching for either p0rn or medical information to stumble across our little glossary and get the wrong idea  grin
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« Reply #22 on: 14 January 2008, 12:24:40 »

I think all are good ideas, EXCEPT for the prostate referred to as red walnut. This rings wierd and unatural in my ears.
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« Reply #23 on: 14 January 2008, 17:16:00 »

  I second Aurora's vote--Judith, these terms all look marvelous!   thumbup thumbup Two thumbs up, way up!  But, as to Sage Damall's remark about 'red walnut', I agree, that might require a second look.

  Might we hypothesize that modern-day Santharians view the prostate as the male seat of physical love or passion?  Thus, I think something which conjures the image of red seems appropriate.  Without wandering into the realm of harlequin romance, could we invent something along a similar thread?

  Red collar?
  Haloen furnace?
  Crimson nest, or nidus?

  I think 'lilylines' and 'courseveins' are especially fitting for the Santharian perspective of courses, and I prostrate myself in veneration of your muse, Masterbard!  worship

  I shall leave the dilemma of how to shelve these terms to the sagacity of our Webmaster.  innoc
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« Reply #24 on: 15 January 2008, 10:01:34 »

  Additions have been incorporated into the first post, but be warned, it contains (parenthetical) references to actual anatomical names.  Thanks for reading, and further input is very much appreciated!
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« Reply #25 on: 16 January 2008, 05:05:41 »

Woo, looking good!  A few suggestions/refinements for you to think about:

Still feeling so-so about 'eyepigments'....  I suppose because with our technological level we wouldn't really know what the retina does and would name it for what we guess at or what it looks like.

how about 'retina: eyeyolk' (because of its appearance and because we believe it 'feeds' the eye as the yolk in eyren feeds the chick?)
pupils:  'eyewells'?  'portals'?
optic nerve (since we seem to be able to detect most major nerves): eyetreddle (again, using the egg image - the 'treddle' is the thick stringy bit of white that holds the clear white to the yolk sac, which you see in any egg you've ever cracked... :) )

prostate:  I used 'walnut' for its size and shape, but I like the thought that it's the seat of male desire!   How about 'Ethernut', honouring Etherus?  Or 'Ethhame', if you want something subtler....   :P
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« Reply #26 on: 16 January 2008, 09:18:31 »

  Judy, with your mastery, you could name all the body parts "George" and I'd be nothing but supportive.  These terms you've provided, and the rationale behind each one, are excellent!

  So, do these look okay?
Eyeyolk (for retina; Santharians believe the eyeyolk feeds the eye, just as the yolk in eyren feeds the chick)
Portals (for pupils)
Eyetreddle (for optic nerve; Santharians believe the eyetreddle anchors the eyeyolk to the eye)
Ethernut (for prostate; the name derives from Etherus, God of Passion)


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  Here's a suggestion:
Rearguard, or Gnomish 'Vinduin' (lit. "window") (for anus)
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« Reply #27 on: 25 June 2012, 14:42:50 »

(bumpsies)
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« Reply #28 on: 16 August 2012, 01:34:27 »

I can see this will clearly need anatomical illustrations.  Since I am by no means an illustrator, can anyone suggest an artist I could commission to draw these body parts?  Any suggestions would be most helpful!
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« Reply #29 on: 16 August 2012, 06:13:21 »

Kelancy, I think you got already somebody....  (not me!)

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You could count me in for some more anatomical illustrations, too...

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