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« Reply #30 on: 21 July 2008, 21:31:12 »

If that's true, and I must see this oceanic current thingy Mira, then I vote east is stormier than west. grin I always envisioned fairly rough winters on the east coast. Though not equal to northern storms of course. But bad weather is so much more interesting to have than bad weather. And especially around the Mithrals, heavy storms may get stuck over that coastline quite a bit. Blocked by those mountains. Of course, now I've gone and described a very narrow area. Almost like I have an ulterior motive or something...

Off to find the current map! I need a guide for such an expedition. *trusses Mira up in a big puffy wetsuit and helmat* Mhmm... you'll do just fine.
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« Reply #31 on: 21 July 2008, 21:38:12 »

It all depends on which side gets the warm currents Dru ;)
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« Reply #32 on: 21 July 2008, 22:01:17 »

Um... er... of course I knew that...

Well, after spending 30 minutes looking I've got nothing pertinant. Because currents have been revised based on our semi-new decisions on the sun and moon, we can't expect an older map to be accurate. The playing field is MINE. Lol now I just have to find a scientific way to prove that the currents fall on the side I want them on Mira. But don't tell anyone this plan...

Actually, semi-unrelated but good to have, I found this:
http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,11904.0.html

Also, Fox's dev schedule says she wants to help with currents when the time comes.
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Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind,
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The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.


-Bob Dylan "Mr. Tambourine Man"
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« Reply #33 on: 21 July 2008, 22:02:47 »

I have the nagging suspicion Talia will know where to find that map Dru.. don't get to excited yet :P
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« Reply #34 on: 21 July 2008, 22:14:56 »

Yes, let's hope so.  I've invested in five pages' worth of thread necromancy and haven't uncovered any actual maps or 'current' discussions (no pun intended).  However, I've bumped a few pertinent old threads that may refresh some ideas, and will post one of my own ancient suggestions and see how far along we've gotten already....
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« Reply #35 on: 21 July 2008, 22:16:19 »

Mhmmm good point Mira I wouldn't be surprised... there's a joke involving an elephant here that I'm gonna leave out for my health. :D Only kidding Talia, of course...

I'll go watch Bard ressurect threads now, shall I?
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Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind,
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves,
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.


-Bob Dylan "Mr. Tambourine Man"
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« Reply #36 on: 21 July 2008, 22:19:09 »

Judy quotes herself:  a way to develop climate


"a) Start with whole disc map
b) Draw horizontal climate lines across the whole thing
c) Adjust climate lines upwards and downwards around main mountain ranges and valleys
d) Sketch in main current lines in seas
e) Adjust climate lines upwards and downwards in 'bulges'  as currents dictate
f) Sketch in main wind directions (some already mentioned in entries)
g) Adjust climate lines in similar bulges to allow for winds
h) Now let everybody look at the map and see where microclimates might exist around their areas (forests, deltas, sheltered valleys, peninsulas, etc.) and make proposals to adjust the lines as necessary. 
i)  Revise map once more and add meteological symbols (snowy, rainy, dry, etc.) and colour-coding from 'hot' oranges and reds to 'cold' blues and whites to indicate the various climate regions.
j) Publish map, sit back with glass of malise-honeyed thyron cha'ah and relax in the serene confidence of a job well done! "


Hmmm.  It seems we went straight from b) to h) in making assumptions and writing our own entries.  Fortunately, we did all roughly assume b).  Obviously, c) to g) would now be very helpful to establish, particularly d), Currents.

I'm already on i), with a rough climate description taken from existing entries, plus a climate description and colours table which should help us all get on the same page, plus the Temperature submission with its own Santharian units. 

Now, if we can overlay the Currents map with the Climate map, that would be quite informative.  Look what happens if you overlay the Rivers map, for example.......


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« Reply #37 on: 21 July 2008, 23:06:56 »

That is usually only true for truely large rivers. It does afect the chance of storms occuring and the depth of the seas, but a river ir rarely strong enough to affect the titanic forces of an oceanic current.
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« Reply #38 on: 21 July 2008, 23:14:57 »

Wikipedia: An ocean current is continuous, directed movement of ocean water. Ocean currents are rivers of hot or cold water within the ocean. The currents are generated from the forces acting upon the water like the planet rotation, the wind, the temperature and salinity (hence isopycnal) differences and the gravitation of the moon. The depth contours, the shoreline and other currents influence the current's direction and strength.


BUT on a disc, we may not necessarily have the same forces that affect and create terran oceanic currents.... our 'planet' doesn't rotate, we have the pressure of the Void, alsetism, and darkwinds which Terra doesn't, and our moon is in a very different situation...

Oooh - big big question.

Is there an edge somewhere in Caelereth where the water pours off all around the world???  And if not, what happens to it?  How is it 'held in' or on the disc's face?   

I cannot believe this wasn't asked earlier....
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« Reply #39 on: 21 July 2008, 23:19:16 »

i think it was, and i think the answer was "no idea, but it doesnt seem to be running dry"

but the edges of the world are not realy a standing line, are they? the disc just fades into the void.. i suppose that if you sailed into it, you'd just end up on a plain sea.. of infinite size. Just like walking off the disk from aeruillin, only wetter..


edit-> Even Terry Pratchett, the absolute authority on disk worlds, does not have a solution for the draining sea problem...
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« Reply #40 on: 22 July 2008, 00:06:47 »

Back on topic ( :P ) , I've posted new maps and resources to the first post in this thread.  Anyone who has something to contribute will want to borrow the template and the colour zone chart and try filling it in themselves, particularly for their own specific area! 

(if you hit 'fill' and it spreads over more than one area, my apologies - there may be one- or two-pixel holes in some of the lines.  Redraw the lines and fill with whatever colour you'd like to grab for your region, then post to this thread.  I'll collate it all in a master layered map anyhow, so it doesn't have to be too neat...)

 Help and comments greatly appreciated at this stage...
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« Reply #41 on: 22 July 2008, 00:19:20 »

Maybe there is another world on the flip-side of the disc, and the water just 'turns the corner' and becomes their ocean?

Wow, man. That's, like, really deep dude. *takes another toke, remembering not to inhale, just in case his political career takes-off*
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« Reply #42 on: 22 July 2008, 01:10:00 »

Acually, we've got that bit covered, and its quite certain you cant just walk around the disk that way ;) remember, we have a colony in the void!
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« Reply #43 on: 22 July 2008, 08:28:06 »

*sigh*

Adding another element semi-related to this.

Do we have names for various storms and weather occurances? I.e. do we name "hail" the same, how about hurricanes, and er... big waves (tsunamis)? I need these for an entry, but I was wondering if anything had been decided on this front before I perhaps begin brainstorming substitute words. {?}
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The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.


-Bob Dylan "Mr. Tambourine Man"
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« Reply #44 on: 22 July 2008, 09:32:30 »

nothing that i know of, but making up your own words is always fun.. and while a word like hurricane might be usable here, tsunami for instance is certainly something you'd need to replace.
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