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« on: 27 August 2008, 21:22:12 »

The Hobbit Deity Liran
Checklist for sections finished:
- Overview (Finished)
- Names (There are a few listed, but they are likely to change. Suggestions are more than welcome.)
- Appearance (Unfinished)
- Mythology (Finished)
- Lore (Unfinished)
- Importance (Unfinished)
- Symbols (Unfinished)
- Feastdays & Celebration (Unfinished)
- Temples (Finished)
- Prayers (Unfinished. I think I may need some help with this section. *Points his puppy dog eyes at Judy.*)
- Sayings (Finished, though I may add more if I think of any.)


Overview
Liran is a deity of the hobbit folk, and is viewed like most hobbit gods, with love and adoration. Liran rules over a passion instilled within every hobbit’s heart; food. Whether it is eating it, cooking it, or both, it would be near impossible to find a hobbit that does not love their meals. Like all hobbit deities, Liran is seen as more approachable and is much easier to relate to than those of the elves. Combined with their love of his dominion, many hobbits hold this deity close to their hearts.

Often is Liran seen as a well aged halfling, with a full hobbit belly. A smile is always present on his face, probably brought on by the flagon of ale often in his hand.  Being a hobbit himself, Liran is revered primarily among these people, though a few human cooks have adopted him as their deity. Guardian of the chefs, feasts, drink and most importantly food, Liran is most often praised while in the kitchen. In recent times, Liran’s reign is sometimes seen to spread onto general entertainment, crossing into Dalireen’s domain.

It is sometimes said to the young hobbits of the shires, that Liran visits every hobbit at least once in their life. As they stand in the kitchen, whistling a merry tune, he may come, or as they lie in bed dreaming of the most plentiful feast, then too may he visit. But whenever he comes, it can be sure that a gift shall be brought. Whether it is a simple foridite treat in their pocket, that the young one was sure wasn’t there before, or an exquisite meal, much better than should be, hobbits praise the deity when they receive it.

Names
Liran is often named Liran of the Feast, Pantrylord, Liran of Many Ales, Keeper of Taste, and Guardian of the Kitchen, among others.

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Mythology
Liran is a deity of the hobbit folk, but is hardly recognised b those of other races. He, like all specifically halfling deities, is not once mentioned in the elven Cárpadosía, but then he is often thought to not even be alive then. Being so different from the elven gods mentioned within that book, Liran is often preferred by hobbits because of his relevance to their lives. While not having a month in his honour, it is sometimes argued that every Halfday is honouring him, however there are other hobbits who would argue for another deity. The following day, referred to as Bakeday by the peasants, is also sometimes accounted to Liran, and this time there is no one to oppose him. Liran is thought to be quite fond of the Bardess Dalireen, for what goes better with a feast than entertainment.

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Importance

Symbols

Feastdays & Celebration

Temples
No buildings are there solely provided for this deity. However, every home contains a shrine to him, the kitchen. Simply cooking is a form of worship to this deity. Many hobbits however, especially those passionate about cooking, keep a small shrine to this deity.  A simple carved figure, or even just a bowl filled with wine, with the occasional candle, often sits within a hobbit’s kitchen. If ever a hobbit wants Liran’s help with their cookery, all they need do is ask, or sing, or whistle.

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Sayings
"Have you been stealing from Liran's pantry?" Used when someone drops something or has difficulty keeping grasp on something. It is a reference to their fingers being covered in butter, and hence slippery. Often used among neighbouring human tribes as well as among hobbit folk.

“Liran’s gift.” A term used for those especially talented in cookery. Most often, it is used as a compliment. Commonly used among hobbits.

“What is life without Liran?” Used to denote the importance of food in a hobbit’s life. Often used throughout the hobbit shires.

“Do not take Liran’s smile away.” Used by mothers to encourage their children to eat their meals, vegetables and all. This saying is thought to have originated from the hobbits, but the humans tribes near hobbit settlements often use in more frequently. This may be that hobbit children are less likely to not finish their meal than their human equivalent.
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« Reply #1 on: 27 August 2008, 21:36:37 »

Wonderful Mannix! clap The hobbits could use another deity, especially one of the kitchen! You are just the right person for the job. I'm really looking forward to following your progress here.  :D
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« Reply #2 on: 27 August 2008, 21:40:28 »

Thank you Azhira. I've been gathering my thoughts on this for quite some time, so hopefully it should be good. :)

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« Reply #3 on: 02 September 2008, 20:45:42 »

Just a quick suggestion:

It might be better to pick a different name, since the other hobbit deity we have is called Dalireen, and the two names are very similar. 


Looks interesting!  And perfect for the hobbits.


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« Reply #4 on: 02 September 2008, 20:51:00 »

Okay Alysse. I'll try and think of something. Oh, and in case somebody mentions it, I realise that Urtengor is said to have invented cookery, it is all under control. :P And thanks Alysse. :)

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« Reply #5 on: 03 September 2008, 08:11:53 »

This IS a wonderful idea!   I just have to wonder....

Is Liran, or whoever he'll be called, actually a deity?   The hobbits don't strike me as a particularly - um - devout society - not one which would invent god after god to satisfy various needs.   This would be a wonderful opportunity to create a few 'demi-gods' or even 'saints' - though they wouldn't necessarily be called such...  people who were born on Caelereth, lived exemplary lives, and were 'deified' at the end of those lives, possibly by the Twelve.   

Doesn't that fit in well with the happy-go-lucky, pragmatic, cheerfully persistent hobbit lifestyle, and (though I hesitate to use the word in connection with our halflings) philosophy? Certainly they have a child-like way of looking at the world, and a limited sense of 'grey areas'.  I suspect they, most likely of all our races, would be the ones to believe in 'works-righteousness', or 'the gods help those who help themselves'.

Just a thought, but it should certainly spark some discussion and possibility - we have talked time and again about having some sort of spiritual counterpart to the many 'demons', or forces of evil, within Caelereth, but 'angels' simply don't seem right and good spirits are rare.   Hobbit 'saints' or 'guardians' have a very natural feel to them, and even if humans don't believe in them, we'd have a few more positive spiritual energies floating about the disc!  :)


PS:  Some names:  How about  Churwise?  Ruombly?   Offen?  Nubble?   Dohan Fullbelly?    Huran ManyAles?      Duffin Sopsful?     :)

 
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« Reply #6 on: 03 September 2008, 08:37:05 »

The "Saints" title doesn't bode well with me, but the concept does.
I'm thinking of giving the Eyelians a similar concept....

Anyways, I digress.
A quote from the Hobbits entry to further discussion here...
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Hobbits do have some of their own deities, however, who, though not commonly known among elves and men and the other races of Santharia, are much celebrated and loved among the Halfing race. One such deity is Dalireen, who is believed to be the Hobbit muse of song, dance, and innocence. She is commonly thought of in times when inspiration is greatly needed, and called to in song instead of silent prayer.
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« Reply #7 on: 03 September 2008, 16:57:06 »

Judy I agree, Hobbits aren't a devote race, but this isn't how I see them 'worshiping'. For example, I believe that dancing or singing would be a form of worship for Dalireen, or cooking and eating for this guy. I wasn't thinking about creating god after god, just ones for the few important areas of a hobibts life. They believe in the twelve but find them hard to relate to. I think that they should have deities, but more down to earth ones, just how Rayne wrote Dalireen.

I see their deities as 'demi-gods' I guess. I think we have roughly the same ides, but we just don't know it yet. I don't see the hobbits as a race praying to their gods whenever they need help. To me, I think they would see their dieties as free spirits, ones to act upon their own will, not after being asked to. I was going to mention how they differ from the human and elven view of gods. For example, the prayers wouldn't be 'prayers' but more like songs about the deity. Perhaps these once were prayers, but not anymore. I guess they are more like friends, someone to talk to.

Anyways, I'd love to discuss your ideas for this Judy. :)

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« Reply #8 on: 04 September 2008, 08:35:19 »

I think we indeed do have a similar concept in mind - and yes, the actual title would need to be refined and discussed.   It's not the title 'saint' I'd want to see either - just a shorthand for the idea, but certainly the idea is important.  Here you have a chance to introduce an idea that doesn't yet exist - to make something unique for our dear hobbits and the world of Caelereth.... and the halflings are the perfect race in which to set them.

Dalireen was drawn perfectly out of hobbit psychology,  and so is Liran/Duffin/Huran/whatchamaycall'im....     having them be a little 'more human' and a little 'less divine', seems also to fit their style. 

 And absolutely, eating is worship, and so is singing, whether the words are devout or not!
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« Reply #9 on: 04 September 2008, 08:47:43 »

I've always believed Music is a direct connection to God...
Tell me if you want an uri, Mannix!
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« Reply #10 on: 04 September 2008, 16:45:04 »

How about this Judy. I'll write this, keeping in mind your suggetsions, and then when it is finished we see if it fits. I want the hobbits to see religion differently as well, and if your want to help, all the better. I'll try and incorporate your idea, and we'll just see what happens. However, I don't think them being counterparts to demons would work. I don't know, it just doesn't seem right for hobbits to even believe in demons. Thanks tonnes Judy. Oh, and Nsiki, I'll remember that.

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« Reply #11 on: 04 September 2008, 17:07:15 »

Oh, goodness, no, I wasn't suggesting MORE demons FOR hobbits - we have more than enough in the world already!  All I meant was that it would be nice to have some GOOD spirits, or benevolent spirits, who might be capable of intervening 'on our behalf' with some supernatural powers - as a 'balance' in the whole of Caelereth, if you see what I mean.

Let's keep talking and make sure we understand each other.  Sounds like fun....
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« Reply #12 on: 04 September 2008, 17:13:05 »

Maybe these "evil" spirits could be called more "mischievous" or something for hobbits. They surely have another perspective on life than humans or elves.
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« Reply #13 on: 04 September 2008, 17:39:26 »

Okay Judy, discuss we shall. What you said seems okay, probably how hobbits would see them. I think before I may have misunderstood you a bit. Basically, all I was thinking was a down to earth god in charge of a down to earth thing. I guess this does entail intervening if he is more down to earth. But where I am concerned is the intervening where demons are involved. I just can't picture a hobbit even thinking about a demon. Perhaps this is the human view, as they would surely see the deities differently. I don't think hobbits would even think about anything evil that much. To me, having something that counters demonic acts just doesn't seem to fit hobbit thoughts. I think the keeping balance could probably work, but not against demons. Love to hear what you think and sorry if I've mistaken your thoughts.

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« Reply #14 on: 04 September 2008, 20:13:10 »

This is really going to make have to think come time to develop clerical things for the hobbits...not that I'm working on that anytime soon, but still...

I also agree that the hobbits shouldn't have a pantheon of deities so much as have a group of revered people that they consider in high regard. I won't say necessarily worship or pray to, but perhaps their idea of "worship" is reveling, celebrations, singing, feasts and the like. They honor their ideal heroes during many festivals and days throughout the year.

They aren't gods, so these saints have no temples. However, as an equivalent to clerics, perhaps the hobbits have storytellers, or loremasters, who are considered celebrities in cooking and singing and merry making.

On the flip side, there could exist trickster saints, troublemakers and the sort who are not evil as a demon would be considered, but more mischievous, as Arti said. I think this is a great discussion! Not every tribe/race MUST follow the human points of view on everything... thumbup
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