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[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

As a companion thread to my Antislar Philosophy thread (which I moved to the Northern Continent Discussion Board as well as my Remusian Timeline thread, might as well get some mileage out of my Northern Mod status ) I thought I might start an ideas thread for Antislar History.  Here we can trace the origins of the Antislar, whether we go with the Favalcar thingy or not, to the wars with the Remusians, to the splinter group who settled in Anf for Azhiras Kaar.

Some of those pesky question in the philosophy thread can be addressed here.  I will start by putting in what I started in the Philosophy thread, as well as the Remusian History thread, as well as thew history of the Ice Tribes as seen in the entry on site.

Feel free to point out anything that is contradictory, or add what you consider pertinent, such as Azhiras plans for the splinter group and the Anf settlement, or anything I might have missed.  What is on site already is what I based my Remusians on and the basis for the Antislar, but as Talia pointed out, the Migration Maps might not reflect this.  So, we need to decide which history will carry more weight.

Also, with very litrtle persuasion, we can change the title of this thread and encompass the Himiko for Talia, Caael'her'oth for Azhira and Valen, and the orcs for Tharoc and Azhira.  Make it a Northern Sarvonia Timeline thread.  That way, we see all the different interactions and how they relate to each other.  Up to you guys.  If we do that, we should sticky it.

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

History Timeline  Stuff in quotes are on site, stuff not in quotes are developers notes

THE ERA OF SILENCE
(UNKNOWN - 15.000 B.S.)

THE ERA OF FIRST MIGRATION
(YEARS 15.000 B.S. - 14.000 B.S.)

THE ERA OF THE ANVIL
(YEARS 14.000 B.S. - 13.000 B.S.)

THE ERA OF HARMONY
(YEARS 13.000 B.S. - 11.900 B.S.)

ca. 12700 b.S.  Explorers discover the Ice Tribes
Elven explorers from Fá'áv'cál'âr record the existence of minor and primitive human presence in the Icelands

12700 bS- the icefolk are greatly influenced by the more advanced elves from Fá'áv'cál'âr, learning some of the elven myths of Ava and Coor

THE ERA OF SUNDERING
(YEARS 11.900 B.S. - 10.000 B.S.)

ca. 11850 b.S.  The Great Sundering
During the Great Sundering that follows the fall of Fá'áv'cál'âr some humans settle the Stone Fields of Peat, while some enter the Icelands and introduce the locals to fishing and the basics of metallurgy. However, because of the isolationism and conservationism of the Icemen they fail to introduce the locals to civilization.

THE ERA OF SORCERY
(YEARS 10.000 B.S. - 9.500 B.S.)

ca. 9700 b.S.  The Mysteries of Magic
The humans in the Stone Fields of Peat and the Icelands come in contact with magic for the first time.

THE ERA OF CATACLYSM
(YEARS 9.500 B.S. - 8.500 B.S.)

ca. 9450 b.S.  The War of the Chosen
The humans in the Stone Fields of Peat and the Icelands are forced to enter the War of the Chosen as mercenaries for the sorcerers. They are used in battles and magic experiments as expendable material and they prove to be hardy yet undisciplined warriors.

ca. 9023 b.S.  The Intermixing of Tribes: The Ice Tribes
After the Battle of the Winds and the severe casualties that the Icefolk suffer, magic is abolished and most mages are slaughtered in their territory. This conflict almost eliminates the population of the Icefolk that leave the Icelands in order to participate in the War.

In their attempt to save themselves from the war and the giants that invaded their area the humans of the Stone Fields of Peat and the remaining Icemen move further north to the Icelands enslaving the Icefolk that manage to escape the war and intermixing with them.

This era a Kanapan population is believed to have entered the Icelands and intermixed with the people that later are to become the Remusians and Tokarians.

9023 bS- The remaining Icefolk travel west to the Iol Peninsula

THE ERA OF CONSOLIDATION
(YEARS 8.500 B.S. - 3.400 B.S.)

8000 bS- At about one quarter of its present size, Remusia was only one of a number of Ice Tribes fighting for a spot on the Icelands Coast.  They are the descendants of the other Ice Tribe people and the Kanapan expansion north.  At this time, they are a loose confederation of nomadic clans.  There are no permanent settlements, and no real overwhelming national pride yet.

ca. 6000 b.S.  The Final Face of the Ice Tribes
The population of the Icelands is divided into Ice Tribes, in the form that survive today. They expend themselves into constant warfare among each other. Many tribes are exterminated during the millennia to come and many new are to emerge.

ca. 3500 b.S.  Trade between Rhom-Oc, Kanapan Men and the Ice Tribes
Trade increases and so does the amount of caravans moving north- and westward becoming an interesting target for the wanderings clans. The merchants of the Kanapan peninsula and from the Ice coasts take the risks in exchange for precious goods and gold. However, legends about the ghosts of the Heaths and their terrible mounts are spreading with every caravan lost on the way.

THE AGE OF MYTHS
(YEARS 3.400 B.S. - 1.655 B.S.)

ca. 3000 b.S.  Human Supply Posts to support Trade
Slowly the Rhom-Oc neighbours, the humans of the Sarvonian northeastern regions (the Kanapans and the Ice Tribes), found supply posts for the caravans and even brave settlers come to the place to make a fortune but most either leave again or stay forever.

2600 b.S.  Founding of the City of Basalon
The city of Basalon is founded by Ice Tribe settlers and is soon growing due to a continuous stream of vagabonds, murderers and poor that hope to find peace in one of the most isolated spots of Caelereth. The Rhom-Oc evade the valley of Basalon most of the time but the caravans of merchants and settlers and the supply station bare yet an attractive target for the hungry or desperate orcs.

2500 b.S.  A Journey in Centoraurian Lands: Carbug I
The family of a defeated clan lord leaves the Icelands guided by his widow. They head south and eventually, after a long and arduous journey, his only living descendant will end up uniting the Centoraurians as King Carbug I

2000 bS- The Remusians have expanded south, bringing the Gathorn Mountain range into their borders, and have traveled west to the Mantle River.

1880 b.S.  Plundering of Basalon by the Rhom-Oc
The plundering of Basalon takes place in this year after a decade of Ice Tribe campaigns and aggressive extinction tactics against the Rhom-Oc. Several clans unite for the goal to teach the humans a lesson and many others support their cause. In the winter of 1880 when the humans all take quarter in the city or hamlets 3000 warg riders gather to bring death and destruction over the valley of Basalon.

The humans never expected the stupid orcs to ever organize themself to a dangerous army and never expected that anyone could wander through the heaths in winter so the terrifying army of wargs and orcs hits them totally off-guard. The valley of Basalon is overrun in three days, many hamlets are burned, its villagers killed. But even worse: the Rhom-Oc take the city in one assault burning and plundering it completely. At the same time other clans attack and destroy many supply stations in the heaths.

When spring comes and the first caravans leave the south they encounter the ruins and places of slaughter and arrive in a striving trade town where nearly two thirds of its population have died of starvation.

Thus the Rhom-Oc teach the humans a lesson for years to come. All their tactics and strategies to get rid of the vermin of the heaths fail in the vastness and unknown territory.

THE AGE OF AWAKENING
(YEARS 1.655 B.S. - 822 B.S.)

ca 900 bS The Antislar traders push outward from their homelands and make contact with the Arthyrón elves.  They learn many things from the elves, including how to raise Azigoor trees

THE AGE OF THE BLOOD
(YEARS 822 B.S. - 50 B.S.)

600 bS With the Antislar and the Arthyrón elves continuing to trade more frequently, the settlement of Anif is created on the Peninsula of Caael'heroth.

400 bs Tensions between the settlement and the Antislar grow, and Anif declares itself a free city.  After a brief war, Anif wins its independence and the Antislar move their trade with the Arthyrón elves south to the springwaters of the Ulaenoth River

294 b.S.  The Remusian Civil War
The Third Sarvonian war brings much hardship to the people of the White Citadel. The Lord at the time, Kellmon, has agreed in a pact with the darklings, while many of the nobles are not willing to deal with these creatures at all, despite the threat they pose for Remusiat as for the rest of the Sarvonian continent. Most of the Remusians stay neutral at first but the differences over the treaty and the growing demands of the darkfriends soon cause open conflict between the city factions.

The ensuing war results in great destruction for the Remusian tribe and eventually ends with the assassination of Lord Kellmon. Thousands die during the civil war. It also is the reason for the tribe's rule of avoiding the elves, because it is them who send troops to steady the rule of Kellmon and order the slaughtering of all resisters to quell the resistance. It was not until the Battle of Rhemir when the Remusians finally defeat an army of Osther-Ocs, about 10 000 the Chronicles say, that made the darkfriends abandon their interest in Remusiat.

294 bS- After the Third Sarvonian War, the Remusians were pushed back almost to their original lands.  Lord Kellmon is killed for his affiliation with the Darkfriends, and his brother, Leyster, becomes the ruling Lanrul.  He vows to create a free and powerful Remusian empire.

THE AGE OF CHANGE
(YEARS 50 B.S. - 172 A.S.)

THE GOLDEN AGE OF KINGS
(YEARS 172 A.S. - 547 A.S.)

275 aS- After the 1st Orcish War, the Remusians expand their geographical conquests.  To the south, they had pushed the Rhom-ocs further into the Heath of Wilderon.  To the east, they had pushed the Tokarians back to the entire length of the River Tokar.  In the East, the capitol of Antis, on Islar Island fell, leaving the Antislar Ice Tribe disorganized and desperate.  Many come into Remusian lands and join the conquerors.  Edmuguindo, the ruling Lanrul, becomes known as the Scourge of Antislar.

447
to 452  War with the Tokarian Tribe
Of all the other Tribes of the Icelands coast, none has had such a strained relationship with Remusia as the Tokarians. Not so much a tribe as a loose confederation of villages, the Tokarians are without doubt the most aggressive of the Ice Tribes.

In 447 the Remusian Lord Gloroch decides to annex the town of Rhemir, where the Remusian civil war ended, from the Tokarians. The Tokarians object, and send a small force of 1.000 men to defend the city, but Gloroch wants the city, and he takes it. The Tokarian warriors are massacred. The following war lasts for 5 years, and ends with the treaty of Hargarth. The Remusians are given Rhemir, and the ability to extract tribute from the Tokarians, the Tokarians are given the ability to exist, and to trade with the Remusians.

447 aS- The Remusians hit the peak of their empire under Gloroch.  They have taken much of the Antislar land in the west.  To the east, the Remusians have taken the area known as Kordos away from the Tokarians and captured Rhemir.  The 100 years from Gloroch’s son’s ascendancy, Wodyr in 469, to the end of the reign of Ithuhl in 576 is known as Remusia’s Golden Age.

THE TIME OF INTERREGNUM
(YEARS 547 A.S. - 610 A.S.)

578 aS- The 2nd Orcish war has seen the loss of the Plains of Antislar.  The City of Antis has been sacked and abandoned.  In the south, the Remusians were content to back up to the northern borders of the Heaths of Wilderon.  While in the east, the Tokarians and the Sarmanians joined forces to push the Remusians back.

THE CLERICAL AGE
(YEARS 610 A.S. - 825 A.S.)

814 aS- The Third Orcish War has seen most of the former Antislar lands lost to the Rhom-oc tribes.  The Remusians have clung desperately to the Mantle Woods, as their only supply of lumber.

THE ERA OF THE SOUTHERN WARS
(YEARS 825 A.S. - 1.062 A.S.)

THE AGE OF REBUILDING
(YEARS 1.062 A.S. - 1.144 A.S.)

THE AGE OF DISCOVERY
(YEARS 1.144 A.S. - 1.440 A.S.)

1293 aS- Only the natural border of the Gathorn Mountains has prevented the Remusian’s from losing anymore territory to the south.  The Fourth Orcish War has left their hold of the Mantle Woods reduced to the land up to the woods only.

THE AGE OF HAVOC
(YEARS 1.440 A.S. - 1.540 A.S.)

THE TIME OF REUNION
(YEARS 1.540 A.S. - TODAY)

1.654  The Rise of Timeras
The Fifth Orcish War is still a fresh and traumatizing memory and has taken a heavy toll on the city. The western gate has almost breached and the Remusians have little hope of the city surviving much longer.

Then news arrive which shock them all. Their scouts report that an orcish army moves towards them at an alarming speed. Normally this wouldn't worry the Remusians because of their defenses, but with the western gate almost down they know they have to act. A group of cavalrymen, under the Command of their lord Araman tracks the army for 3 days before he finds them. The Remusians charge down a mist covered hill and trap the orcs between them and a large lake and eventually crash into the orcish ranks.

Araman is almost immediately killed, but his son Timeras takes command of the battle and defeats the orcs who retreat in disorder. The Battle of the lake is the most devastating victory in Remusian History. Timeras returns with 32 men and 13 horses (out of 300 each) and are made heroes. Timeras is crowned lord in his father's place and presented with the Forsaken Blade. The orcs have more or less stayed away from Remusiat since.

1654 aS- The Fifth Orcish War has seen the Remusians lose all lands west of the Mantle River, and the extreme southern areas of the Gathorn Mountain range.  The Remusians were, however, able to keep the orcs from taking Remusiat, while Sorsokon and Sudarok were inexplicably spared by the orcs, who left those cities in peace in order to lay siege to the capitol.  King Araman II was killed in the war, and his son, Timeras became King, and continues to rule.

[Ta'lia of the Seven Jewels]

Placeholder for a seperate Himiko  Timeline, if needed.    I might set a link here only though

Altario, you could always set a couple of internal links, if needed.

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

You don't wanna place Himiko stuff in with the rest, so that it is easier to see how things interact?

[Ta'lia of the Seven Jewels]

No, no, it is just for those history things which are not so tightly connected with the rest (which don't have to be in the main timeline from the beginning) , so that I  find them easier. And not to loose the overview.

[Azhira Styralias]

Great! 

My various entry timeline history tables are on-site with no need to post them here (Mists, Gorge, Lost Ones, Kaaer etc). However, I think this thread should concern timelines and history as related to the Ice Tribes only (Remusians, Antislar, Himiko etc). This will help me sort the early Kaaer years now that the Antislar is involved. The settlement of Anif will also help here.

[Azhira Styralias]

Bumping this up for discussion again.

[Azhira Styralias]

Alt, would you mind adding some history entries here that tell when the Antislar started their rise to power? Perhaps their first major settlement. Also maybe when they first joined with the Rhom-Oc. From there, I will determine when the settlement of Anif was created as a precursor to the Kaaer.

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

Yup. not a problem.  Did you have any fancy on when you might want to put in Anif, when you wanted the emergence of the Kaaer?

[Azhira Styralias]

The Kaaer originate during the Age of Blood between 298 - 288 b.S. The Themed'lon was not settled by the Kuglimz. I would like Anif to be longer settled by the Antislar, perhaps 200 years or so, becoming a major fishing village. This allows many more humans initially than what I first had with just Kuglimz outcasts. So when the Osther-Oc come down, they encounter the Kuglimz and Antislar and subjugate them. Likely, if the Antislar are familiar with orcs by now, they possibly negotiate themselves out of a death sentence and serve as slaves instead. Anif is cut off from the mainland Antislar and interbreeding occurs between orcs and the humans.

These half-breed children expand taking in more orcs and Antislar over time until the tribe is large enough to handle themselves. Fortunately, the defeat of SWIII weakened the orcs and dark elves enough for the Kaaer slaves to revolt under the leadership of Temujin Tartaan. After this, the Kaaer discover ancient Lost Ones magic in the Themed'lon and establish a religion and culture from that.

So let's origin Anif at perhaps...500 b.S.? That gives roughly 200 years for it to grow before the Osther-Oc invade.

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

Okay, with that I can do something.

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

How is this, Azhira?  Dek?

THE AGE OF AWAKENING
(YEARS 1.655 B.S. - 822 B.S.)

ca 900 bS The Antislar traders push outward from their homelands and make contact with the Arthyrón elves.  They learn many things from the elves, including how to raise Azigoor trees

THE AGE OF THE BLOOD
(YEARS 822 B.S. - 50 B.S.)

600 bS With the Antislar and the Arthyrón elves continuing to trade more frequently, the settlement of Anif is created on the Peninsula of Caael'heroth.
400 bs Tensions between the settlement and the Antislar grow, and Anif declares itself a free city.  After a brief war, Anif wins its independence and the Antislar move their trade with the Arthyrón elves south to the springwaters of the Ulaenoth River

[Deklitch Hardin]

I have no problems with those dates myself.

[Azhira Styralias]

Ah, I see maybe. If Anif is established as a trade outpost at the mouth of the eastern side of Caaehl'heroth, then the Antislar had a trade relationship with the sea elves through the Kharim River already. Hrm...another idea could be that the Antislar moved up the river and established another outpost called Eph'denn. The goal was to perhaps create a third outpost on the western mouth of the Kharim, but was abandoned when the Osther-Oc and dark elves invaded from north Caaehl'heroth.

What this does is create two Antislar human settlements in Caaehl'heroth already before the orcs come invading. That would essentially add even more human stock for interbreeding. During the occupation, Eph'denn and Anif are overrun and cut off from mainland Antislar.

This would better explain Eph'denn and Anif because why would the Antislar Anif settlers stop with Anif? Surely they would move up the river and find the Themed'lon at the fork. Its a perfect settlement area. However, once SWIII starts, the trade route with the sea elves is severed as the elves no longer move up the Kharim due to orcen presence. Its possible the sea elves re-establish trade much later with the Kaaer and open the river again.

Thoughts?

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

Yup, that works or...

They might stop at Anif because going up river actually takes them away from the Elves, who they were trading with and was the reason for Anif.  But, after Anif splits from Antislar, and maybe alienating the elves thus stopping the elves from going up that way, as you don't want the Kaaer to be freindly with the elves, they could have naturally spread upriver to Eph'denn.  Eph'denn is a natural progression from Anif for sure.

This way, you have the reason for the elves and Kaaer to not get along and for the Kaaer to block off those trade routes from the Antislar.  In your explanation, they are not seperated by choice, thus might still have fond feelings for their homeland.

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