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« on: 10 May 2010, 08:28:17 »

Overview

The Thalambathian Arcanist Khaius Onderfaust is considered by many Truban historians to be one of the most important figures in Thalambath's ancient magi culture. Onderfaust was born in 855 a.S. in the city of Thalambath to Kaizranian noble parentage and was an only child. His work affected his personality later in life whereas he shunned other human contact in favour of his various summoned creatures. Among his most famous works is the book "Notes on Impish Phylogeny" which is a study of the mysterious imp creature. In addition, Onderfaust is infamous in scholarly magic circles for having claimed to have re-discovered one of the most complex rituals known to Thalam magic: the summoning of the dreaded mystran from the Netherworld. At the time, Onderfaust's peers believed that he was too powerful for his own good and traditional Truban lore states that he met his end as the prisoner of his own creations.

Appearance

There is not known to be an image anywhere in Thalambath of Onderfaust unadorned in the splendid regalia of the Thalam Wizards. In fact, many stories of the great summoner say that he was literally dressed in the wizardly robes right from birth! This favorite story reveals much of Onderfaust's infamy as a member Thalambath's wizardly order since there is little recorded of his life before he entered the Temple of the Arcane. One picture in the Tome of the Red Circle (yet another book of rituals he wrote) shows Onderfaust wearing brilliant orange robes with golden coloured trim and inlaid with a host multi-colored brilliant jewels. This of course is probably an exaggerated account, even given the penchant of Thalam nobility for fine accoutrement. Nevertheless, it is known from Onderfaust's many writings that he thought quite highly of himself and likely approved (or ordered) the many images of himself looking more splendid than he really was.

Of his physical features, the great wizard was by all accounts a handsome man with noted Kaizranian features such as dusky skin and sharp bone structure. His bald head was decorated in exquisite looking tattoos which is quite typical of the Thalam Wizards. Onderfaust enjoyed the intimidating impression his tattoos made on the common folk. The designs were done by a local artisan that Onderfaust himself chose. It was later believed that this artist also designed the great mural that decorated the walls of the wizard's enclave, with much of this art still intact today. The actual designs of both the wizard's head and his walls consisted of complex lines, shapes and symbols never before seen at that time. Onderfaust never revealed the meaning of his tattoos, but many sages rumoured that they were ritual markings used in his summoning magic. It is unknown exactly how much of Onderfaust's body, other than his head, was decorated in these unique designs. One of the wizard's last apprentices later wrote that Onderfaust's hands were also covered in tattoos but since the great summoner's body was never seen at death, no one can really say for certain.

During the wizard's early career in the Temple of the Arcane, Onderfaust was a lively, energetic soul with the appearance of a man full of energy. Over the years, his smooth, dusky complexion changed as a result of his tampering with the dark magics that he was known for. Just before the summoner's disappearance, his skin had become a mottled gray color with eyes turned from a rich brown to a sickly yellowish hue. While this image may have been greatly disturbing during his time, it has now been confirmed that such a physical change is the result of exposure to chaotic, netherworldy energies such as those used in summoning. For example, select pieces of ancient dark elven lore reveal that the Netherworld "taints" living things on the Caelereth side of the Disk. The dreaded Mists of Osthemangar are also known to taint living beings by whithering them into empty husks devoid of positive life. Likely this is what Onderfaust suffered as a result of his summoning practices, according to his biographers.

Personality

Like many of the Thalam Arcanists of his day, Onderfaust was a powerful and influential man who was accustomed to living above the commoners' laws and customs. He occupied an office that gave him much levity to practice his magic however he saw fit. Of course, this often meant that the wizard dabbled in the dark intrigues of the city without repercussion. It was said that he commanded a fair number of henchmen that he hired (or threatened) to seek out bits of lore and information around the city and elsewhere. He commanded respect and led through fear with his peers giving him a wide berth. There were no open discussions into Onderfaust's dealings, nor did anyone question him. According to some of his later apprentices, Onderfaust became a man to be feared, who was rumoured to have orchestrated the sudden disappearances of his rivals.

Onderfaust was a cunning man whose political maneuvering was done with the utmost care and deliberation. He was not a man of chaos nor did he possess impulsive tendencies. The wizard rose to the highest levels of power by removing his rivals, influencing the leaders of the Tower of the Arcane, and rumor had it, by buying the confidence of those he needed. By manipulating the system in such a way, he was able to attain the needed support for his work.

The wizard's later years became a life of paranoia and disdain for company. As his studies into summoning explored ever greater depths, Onderfaust largely kept to himself in his personal enclave rarely taking guests. It was later said that he was so enamored with the creatures he was working to bring forth from the unknown planes that life outside of the walls of his domain did not exist in his mind anymore. Some of his apprentices saw this as a dangerous direction and with Onderfaust distracted, more than a few tried to underhandedly usurp their masters' position in the Arcane Tower. However, no matter how much maneuvering went on behind his back, Onderfaust had a way of knowing and dealt with the situation harshly - typically by making the troublemakers disappear.

Biography

Born in the shadow of the great Norong'sorno volcano, Khaius Onderfaust was born to the world on or around the year 855 a.S. Little is known of his early life, only that his family is assumed to have been high ranking nobles of pure Kazrainian blood. Contemporary sages have suggested that his father was perhaps a Thalam Wizard who sired more than a few offspring from various noble maidens. Others have suggested that Onderfaust was the child of a Viseur of the Templum of the Seven. Still, other less talked about rumors have been written that the wizard was not even a human at all but a dark product of a summoning ritual. These same conspirators offer the idea that the reason Onderfaust could have gained so much power during his lifetime was that he was in fact a demon in a human guise casting magics upon hapless minds to do his bidding. Most reputable scholars have dismissed this idea as preposterous, but even today those demon-in-disguise stories are not entirely forgotten.

What Onderfaust's early life lacks, his joining to the Temple of the Arcane and subsequent rise to the highest levels of power in the Temple are well documented. According to one of the mage's early biographers, Onderfaust demonstrated a sharp wit and keen intelligence at an early age. Due to his high parentage and family ties (details of such still largely unknown as mentioned already) young Khaius joined the lesser ranks of Thalambath's magocracy. He was a fierce competitor and early on found ways to manipulate his fellow wizards. His shrewd tactics enabled him to procure dark and forbidden texts using methods some say was nothing short of magical mind manipulation.

It has also been suggested that Onderfaust gained some of his knowledge from the Ximaxian enclave located in Thalambath. Although the Ximaxians were given permission to work within the city, they were largely seen by the Thalam Arcanists as beneath the level of knowledge known to the lowliest of Thalam apprentices. The foreign magics of the Ximaxian enclave were tolerated at best and watched closely. Onderfaust was wise enough, so his admirers say, to have befriended the Ximaxians and inquired of their methods and ways (or so he gave the illusion to). Khaius knew that Thalam's rivals deserved some measure of respect or at least someone had to know just to what extent the Ximaxians knew of Thalam magic. Also, Onderfaust was not above stealing Ximaxian secrets to use in his own experiments.

The foreign enclave proved to be far more trusting than Onderfaust had anticipated. The wizard learned much of the ways of elemental magic in a few short years and according to some scholars, he amazed the Ximaxians so much that they offered him a position to lecture at Ximax's Tower of Foreign Magics. No doubt Onderfaust took up this offer, thus allowing him to learn even more of the Ximaxian lore and to visit Xaramon personally. Onderfaust rarely spoke of these inter-cultural exchanges but some of the wizard's apprentices have said that the fusion of Thalam and Ximaxian knowledge was key to unlocking some of the higher complexities of Onderfausts' summoning magic.

Thus begins Onderfausts' real path to power: summoning magic. It was perhaps the year 884 a.S., according to some biographers, that the wizard began his foray into the dangerous rituals of bringing forth fantastic and otherworldly creatures into Caelereth. The Thalam magic system is considered highly complex with advancements in the summoning system being made perhaps once every few centuries or so. To call forth new and powerful creatures from realms unknown was not something done quickly, or easily. What made Khaius' work so remarkable, is that he claimed to have discovered yet another secret to Netherworld summoning that was believed to have been long forgotten since the War of the Chosen. While many scholars have suggested that Khaius was a demon-summoner, a small group have offered that perhaps the wizard was looking to bring back lost Netherworld souls who have lost their way, including Khaius’ own deceased loved ones. While such an act would give the wizard a definite "human" compassion, that suggestion is little believed by the majority of Thalam's sages.

The well known "Notes on Impish Phylogeny" is an Onderfaust work on imps that he completed in 900 a.S. He was the first researcher credited with successfully summoning the imp creature to the Sarvonian continent. He believed that the imp was a magical creature that fed on the aura of living beings (the Ximaxian terminology would be "car'all"). When first summoned, the imp was weak and near death. Onderfaust wrote that when approached, the imp became lively and exhibited behavior akin to a starving child given his first meal in weeks. Just the presence of a living aura gave the imp energy. From that point on, Khaius kept and trained the imp as his personal familiar. It is said that the imp lived for a great many years after Onderfausts' death having joined to several other high ranking wizards of the Temple over the next 400 years.

Netherworld summoning was a ritual entirely removed from the "safe" magics of imps. Onderfaust's apprentices were forbidden from speaking of these rituals, so details of the procedure remains a mystery. Later accounts say that the wizard had summoned netherbeasts to his enclave where he kept them as pets. These creatures are well documented in scholarly lore as being mindless, savage beasts devoid of reasonable intelligence. They only live to kill and spread their disease upon the living. It was considered one of Onderfausts' greatest achievements at that time as netherbeast summoning was thought to have been a lost practice since the days of the ancient dark elven clerics. The secrets of these rituals was written in a tome called "Twisted Enslavement of the Soul"(1) But the wizard was not content to control mere lapdogs of the Netherworld. He wanted to go further; he wanted one of the masters of chaos itself: the high demon known as a mystran.

It was perhaps at this stage in his life, around 905 a.S., that he became very secretive of his dealings and his health grew visibly worse. It is likely that the wizard cut himself off from his peers in order to cease inquiries into his business. He continued to develop rituals little known, and studied every tome and text concerning summoning that Thalambath had (and even some that belonged to the Ximaxians). The driving force behind this was perhaps revenge upon those who punished him. Or, as previously suggested, to find a way to bring back lost souls wandering the Netherworld. This latter practice bordered on necromancy which was not uncommon in the magocracy. In fact, it is believed Onderfaust became a skilled necromancer while practicing Nether-summoning but that was not his chief field of interest.

After the netherbeast summoning breakthrough, the last published major work by Onderfaust concerned the summoning of the dreaded mystran. The tome was called by varying names, with the true title not known because it was hidden for many centuries. The most well-known name among magi lorekeepers is the "Darkness Unchained".(2) This tome is believed to be kept in a well guarded tomb deep under the Norong'sorno volcano. In it, the rumors say, is the long lost knowledge to Netherworld summoning known only to the ancient dark elven clerics of old. A popular Truban legend states that Khaius used this knowledge to bring forth a mystran as a slave. In the wizard's arrogance, Onderfaust thought to make the powerful demon serve him alone. However, such is not the way of chaos to lawfully abide by rules and commands. The mystran is believed to have taken Khaius' mind and enslave him thereby giving the creature a powerful shell with which to sow destruction and disorder.

Of course, not even a mystran can keep the body of a wizened old man alive for long, and after the death of Onderfaust, the legend says that the demon moved from one mind to another, inhabiting the hierarchy of archwizards through the centuries even to this day. The infamous cruelty of many Thalambathian archmages, as well as their famed understanding of magic, could only have come from the servant of Coor, so says many a sage. This legend has never died, and is perhaps kept alive by the wizards themselves today as a means of giving them an ominous reputation over the common folk. After all, who would dare cross a wizard supposedly controlled by a demon? Even the Ximaxians have come to believe such a legend, probably because they are also well familiar with mystrans and, more generally, the risks of summoning, and so do not regard such a tale as being as far-fetched as others might.

Given that Darkness Unchained was a powerful tome, common knowledge today is that it was buried with Onderfausts’ body in a sealed tomb under the Norong-sorno. Few sages believe this story, however, as the book would have been entirely too valuable to simply lock away forever. Through the years, the Thalam Wizards have been accused of secretly holding onto the book in order to unlock the secrets Onderfaust wrote about. Even the Ximaxians believed this, and still today Ximaxians can sometimes be heard to discuss an infamous incident that took place in the year 1166 a.S. Apparently, the archmage of the Wind School herself was caught leading a small group of elemental magi into the Temple of the Arcane in order to secretly steal the book away to Ximax. This incident greatly strained the relationship between the two enclaves with the Ximaxians having been expelled entirely from Thalambath for over 200 years afterwards.(3)
 
Importance

The importance of Khaius Onderfaust cannot be overstated. After his death, he was considered one of the true great archwizards of Thalambath not only for his keen intellect and shrewd manipulations (all deemed necessary to rise in the ranks of the archwizards) but also for his intrepid research into the lore of summoning rituals (with most of that knowledge having been kept hidden notwithstanding). His work especially into imp summoning has been credited by many archmagi for finally introducing a reliable and intelligent familiar for general enslavement. He is also credited for furthering relations with Ximaxian magi; as since his days Thalam wizards have followed his example by maintaining regular contact with the foreign enclave (but not too friendly…). Ximax in turn recognizes Onderfaust by keeping a ritual room in the towers named after him. Thus, the great archwizard is forever remembered in Sarvonian magic circles as a true pioneer in magic and inter-cultural relations.

Compendiumists Notes:

(1) The tome known as "Twisted Enslavement of the Soul" is a book kept only within the Temple of the Arcane and not available to the common folk. When asked whether the book still exists (or ever existed), most wizards will reply that it is old, rare and very outdated. No wizard will outright admit the origins of the book, with the only explanation that it is but one tome among many kept securely by the archwizards.

(2) The "Darkness Unchained" tome is said to be kept in Onderfausts' tomb under the Norong'sorno. The tomb has not been found to this day, even though it has been the desire of many a graverobber over the centuries to try to steal the supposed treasures of the great wizard whispered to be hidden there. Legend says that the tomb is protected by powerful spells that only archwizards know the true location. Rumours have persisted for centuries that the book was copied and that the Temple keeps them securely out of reach of the common researcher.

(3) According to some accounts, the means that the Ximaxians came to know the secrets of imp summoning was that the book "Vagaries of the Summoned Entity" was stolen from Thalambath during the botched theft attempt by the Ximaxians in 1166 a.S. Interestingly, one year later, in 1167 a.S., a group of magi summoned an imp that later escaped and spread fear throughout Xaramon.
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« Reply #1 on: 10 May 2010, 08:59:35 »

Some notes:

First, in the first sentence, it would be 'Thalambathian Arcanist Khaius Onderfaust'. Arcanist is being used as a title/rank in that instance, and so would be capitalized.

Second, he can't be the forefather of ritual summoning magic as a whole. Thalambath has been around for millennia, and been summoning for just as long. He can be one of the foremost researchers of the last thousand years, possibly making some rituals more efficient and having maybe discovered the formula to a few new ones (which would be a very important achievement considering it's a very stagnant system where only a few new rituals are learned every thousand years), but not the forefather of the entire system.


Otherwise, can't wait to read the rest. :)
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« Reply #2 on: 12 May 2010, 21:23:07 »

Ok, I tweaked the Overview. I added a bit where Onderfaust was said to have summoned a mystran and was probably either possessed by it or sucked into the Netherworld. I want him to be a brilliant, yet tragic, man who succumbed to his dangerous power. Fitting justice I suppose...

And I look for any excuse to cross reference mystrans. I love those things.
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« Reply #3 on: 12 May 2010, 22:27:55 »

Hey Azhira,

I know this isn't ready for anything like a full Uri check, but I just wanted to point out that in your overview you say
Onderfaust is known to have developed one of the most dangerous summoning rituals whereas he claimed he was able to summon a Mystran from the Netherworld.

This sentence isn't right, though after my experience on Judith's Mithato thread I'm loth to say it. What this means is "Onderfaust is known to have developed one of the most dangerous summoning rituals on the other hand he claimed he was able to summon a Mystran from the Netherworld". "Whereas" is used in a sentence like "He is blond, whereas I am dark" or "Whereas he is blond, I am dark". What you mean (I think) is whereby, which means "with this" or "with which", not "whereas" which means "although" or "on the other hand". Breaking them down, where-as is clearly a comparison, and where-by an indication of method. Also, both of these words should have a comma in front of them, thusly: ...rituals, whereby he...

That's all, and I really hope that this isn't another Mithato moment.

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« Reply #4 on: 15 May 2010, 00:38:41 »

Grothar appears to have heard your plea for fluency of expression and adequate windiness...

Oh, dear me, so sorry, but I could not resist the pun there.

As to your content, you are perfectly correct, right down to the placement of the comma.  It should indeed be 'whereby'.

I do hope that the phrase 'Mithato Moment' doesn't now enter the Santharian lexicon, along with 'Uricheck' and the like...
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« Reply #5 on: 15 May 2010, 02:03:39 »

*Bows floridly to the Masterbard*

Why thank you. It is indeed an honour to have a bardic Stamp of Approval on my humble comment, but why the aversion to Mithato Moment? It seems concise and elegant, and much less vulgar than "put your foot in it" or other such saying. I would be proud to be the originator of a Santharian term, even if it was the one describing an over-officious newbie's blunders!

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« Reply #6 on: 10 September 2010, 01:29:52 »

I finally got around to finishing Khaius. Open for comments.  thumbup
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« Reply #7 on: 10 September 2010, 06:37:44 »

Ok...well, as you know from the Kalta'hnk I like to think that I know about magic, but I'm actually fairly clueless and just like to sound intelligent. So I'm just going to be very irritating, pedantic, and pernickity in my grammar-restricted comments.

Onderfaust is infamous for having developed one of the most dangerous summoning rituals whereby he claimed he was able to summon a Mystran from the Netherworld.

Ok, so I picked up on this before, but it still needs a comma before "whereby", otherwise it means that he invented one of the really dangerous rituals that he claimed were able to summon a Mystran, as opposed to a not so dangerous ritual that he claimed to be able to summon a Mystran with.

Ie, what you are trying to say is he invented a really dangerous ritual, with which he claimed he could summon a Mystran, but your sentence implies he claimed this for many rituals, and that he just invented a more dangerous than average one, which isn't what you are trying to say, is it? It's all about clauses and ideas, and how without the comma the "developed" refers to the "one of the most dangerous summoning rituals whereby he claimed he was able to summon a Mystran" rather than "one of the most dangerous summoning rituals", then described as one he claimed summoned a Mystran.

Ok, I am almost as confusing when I talk about grmmar as magic. Sorry.

Next point.

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There is not known to be an image anywhere in Thalambath of Onderfaust without being adorned in the splendid regalia of the Thalam Wizards.

This is, in my opinion, ugly and breaks the flow of the passage. What it seems to say is that one can only know that images exist in Thalambath if one is wearing the robes, or something like that. But you mean that in all images he is wearing robes, right? So what I suggest is that you could change "without being adorned" to "unadorned", or say "in which Onderfaust is not adorned". I would write the second, I think, but the first is less destructive of your writing and this is, after all, your entry.

Thirdly, is it "Kazranian" or "Kaizrainian"? You spell it differently in the Overview and the Appearance.

Next: Third para. of "Appearance" - you use "his", then "Onderfaust's", then "he". The sudden "Onderfaust" jars a bit; changing back to the noun from the pronoun and then to the pronoun again doesn't seem to flow.

Then, your bit on the Mists - "positive" life? I may be being to zealous here ( I probably am), but perhaps "worthwhile" or "meaningful" life? I know nothing about the Mists, so if it is the right term a)Keep it and b)Don't shoot me please :)

"Political maneuvering", in personality and maybe elsewhere? Should be spelt with an "o" before the first "e" in BrE. I checked this ("progressive spelling" may have "simplified" it) but Fowler's Modern English Usage is unambiguous.

Fifth para. of the biography - you have not put in a year for "the year XXX"

There are also lots of little comma issues, where the sentences make sense but barely, or not at all, but I will maybe do those tomorrow.

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« Reply #8 on: 10 September 2010, 11:26:49 »

Wow, nice work Ath! +1 Aura for you for catching all that grammar stuff. I welcome corrections like this as it makes my entry much better to read.

Someone needed to take over Rayne's job, so I guess its you! I am no grammar person, as I just write my ideas and whatever spills out of my messy imagination. I am glad you know what you're talking about.  ;)

I'll got on those corrections asap.
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« Reply #9 on: 10 September 2010, 16:11:17 »

Well, thank you ! I don't think my petty grammar corrections have ever been so appreciated  :P
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The mystran is believed to have taken Khaius' mind and enslave him thereby giving the creature a powerful shell with which to sow destruction and disorder.

There should be a "d" on the end of "enslave" (yep, I've moved on to typos), but also, because your sentence is two clauses, you should probably put a comma before "threreby", thus "enslaved him, thereby". I may over-comma sometimes, but that sentence leaves my gasping for air when I finish, and slips past too fast.

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It was perhaps the year XXX according to some biographers that the wizard began his foray into the dangerous rituals of bringing forth fantastic and otherworldly creatures into Caelereth.
Well, I mentionned the "XXX" but this also doesn't quite go. Perhaps "in the year XXX, according to some biographers, that", or "According to some biographers, it was in about the year XXX that"

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Of course, not even a mystran can keep the body of a wizened old man alive for long and after the death of Onderfaust, the legend continues to say that the demon moved from one mind to another, inhabiting the hierarchy of archwizards through the centuries to even this day. The cruelty and deep understanding of magic could only have come from the servant of Coor himself, so says many sages. This legend has never died and is perhaps kept alive by the wizards themselves today as a means of giving them an ominous reputation over the masses.
It is said that even the Ximaxians have come to believe such a legend probably because they also are well familiar with mystrans and summoning themselves and such a tale is not so far-fetched to them.

Ok, most of a paragrph here, so let's go.
The first "and" should be preceeded by a comma, thus "alive for long, and after". The rest of the sentence also makes not much sense. A comma after the "continues" may clarify it (when I first read it I thought it meant "carries on saying", but you seem to mean "goes on to say", right?), but it actually makes sense as it is there. However, "to even this day" is, to use my favourite grammatical phrase, ugly. "Even to this day" would be better, I believe.

"So says many sages" - either "so say many sages" or "so says many a sage"

Comma after "died" and do you have a reputation "over" people? Perhaps "This legend has never died, and is perhaps kept alive by the wizards themselves as a means of giving them an ominous reputation among the common folk"
And the Ximaxians - insert a dash or something before probably (maybe a comma would be better, but the sentences read differently with each). Also "themselves" is a tautology - thus "[E]ven the Ximaxians have come to believe such a legend, probably because they are also well familiar with mystrans and, more generally, the risks of summoning, and so do not regard such a tale as being as far-fetched as others might." may be a better way of expressing the same meaning. (I took a few liberties to alter the end, but do that as you will, the grammar points and style points remain. I think that the tautology is better woven out than just cutting it, but I may be a little unselfcritical here.)

Though I don't think I can fill Rayne's shoes, I hope I help (a bit)

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« Reply #10 on: 11 September 2010, 03:58:53 »

As it is a Thalambath person, you might want to give Fox a shout - this is not Ximaxian magic! (As I don't understand neither well, I leave this entry to others to comment on )

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Of his physical features, the great wizard was by all accounts a handsome man with noted Kazranian features such as dusky skin and sharp bone structure.

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Born in the shadow of the great Norong'sorno volcano, Khaius Onderfaust was born on or around the year 855 a.S.


That sounds nice, but it is nearly impossible - Thalambath lies to the south of the volcano and no shadow will ever fall over the city...

Looks great, Azhira!
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« Reply #11 on: 11 September 2010, 16:08:27 »

I've got two somewhat major 'lore' comments.

1) Arcanistry as a WHOLE isn't stagnant (ignore me using that word in an earlier post, by stagnant before I meant there are few new actual summoning rituals, but the entire system is not stagnant). It is supposed to be a very heavy research-based magic, moreso than Ximaxian magic, in that much of what goes on within the Temple of the Arcane, beyond training, is researching new spells and better ways of casting older spells. Summoning magic as a whole would not have been stagnant, Onderfaust would have been one of many summoners searching for newer and better ways of summoning things (better ways can be anything from longevity of the summon, controllability of the summon, more efficient reagents/formula/gestures to make the summon less taxing/expensive, and so on). What WAS stagnant was new creature summons... his work here would have been seen as a major breakthrough. There had been very few new creatures (not for thousands of years, that's an exaggeration, but very few), but research was still going strong on other aspects of the field. He was merely better at it, such as managing to summon some creatures like the Mystran that had, to that point, not been discovered yet. But the entire system certainly hasn't been completely stagnant. Just new summoning rituals.

Think of Arcanistry like science (whereas Ximaxian magic is philosophy). Just because there are no major breakthroughs on a certain field doesn't mean research isn't still happening, just that major progress at that point might be slower, with most advancements being fairly minor in scope and merely improving on older techniques. It has been stagnant in new creature rituals. It has NOT been stagnant in terms of general research and improvements.

2) He would have never made archwizard if he had failed to control a summon that ended up rampaging through the Temple and killed many people. He'd be lucky he wasn't executed or at the least exiled from the city for that. Thalambath is harsh on crime, and negligence counts as a crime. His political maneuvering might have saved his life, but he would have never been allowed to become an archwizard by title (he might have been equal to them by skill, but he would have never been allowed to join their ranks). That netherbeast debacle would have destroyed his career. In other words, a good excuse for why he might have been seeking revenge for his treatment after that incident, because he would have been stuck as a researcher for the rest of his days.


Other than those two points, I really like it! :)
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« Reply #12 on: 11 September 2010, 16:11:42 »

Fox,

I'm no expert, but if there is no real progress it can still be described as relatively stagnant? Just because people are trying to make progress doesn't invalidate the description, does it?

Just, that's how I read it (ie, standing still but not because of lack of researchers).

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EDIT: Ok, understood now. Sorry for wasting space.
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« Reply #13 on: 11 September 2010, 16:17:01 »

There has been progress. Azhira's description made it sound like the entire system (not just new summons, not just the summoning field, but the entire whole of Thalambathian magic) was completely stagnant, 'for thousands of years'. That was not my intent when I mentioned 'stagnant' in my first post.

There have been improvements on things like efficiency, controllability, and so on. There just hasn't been very many improvements on *new* creatures being summoned, which is where Onderfaust's breakthroughs would be.

There is progress in other fields. Just not in creature summoning. The description needs to be tidied to make it clear that only that specific subset has been stagnant.



No fault on you btw, Azhira. It was my fault for making that very unclear when I posted it before.

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« Reply #14 on: 13 September 2010, 06:41:36 »

Thanks Fox. I'll do two things here then:

1. I'll tweak the direction to say that new summons (methods, rituals, etc) have been stagnant so to emphasize that the Mystran summon (supposedly... shocked) was considered a major breakthrough leading the Thalam Wizards into new directions. I wish to keep the actual facts of the summon vague, of course, something covered up and rumored about only (although we both know Onderfaust was indeed successful!  ;))

2. I'll probably remove the netherbeast incident so as not to not blemish Onderfaust's career. I built him up as a very power, influential man and don't want him to fall on account of something like that or else whats the point of the entry...

I do rather like the Ximaxian intrigue though, kinda happy with that. Hehe a sort of "spy games" going on between Ximax and Thalambath with each other trying to discover secrets - a sort of cold war between the enclaves. Though Thalam professes to give Ximax little respect, I find it hard to believe that any wise archwizard wouldn't want to know exactly what the Ximaxians are up to.  cool
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