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« Reply #15 on: 05 October 2010, 17:48:26 »

Hey Azzy! I'll read through this today and see if I can come up with anything on the Krean view. Of course, I still have to finish the third part of that Uri on Deci's entry too...

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« Reply #16 on: 05 October 2010, 22:54:49 »

I might have a look later as well.

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....are the realms of darkness and shadow believed in elven and human mythology to be located on the other side of the known physical world of Caelereth.
(Introduction)

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..rest deep beneath the surface of Caelereth.  Many parts of the Netherworlds are said to consist of caverns located between the two sides of the complete Caelereth world, however, it is also told that there exists a barren surface on the other side, where the creatures of darkness dwell as if they were on the upper side.
(Location)

I think you should mention in the introduction already, that some think it is inside the disk.

And also mention somewhere, that 'others' (the Caelosophs) believe, that there are no demons there, but that in the core exists a piece of the void also, which surfaces at places like Ximax (the orb), maybe Ostemangar??, and soon I need it in the Rahaz-Dath also. Could be, that the Venlaken enclave would be such a place as well. Maybe people connect void effects with demons etc..


A difficult revision you have here! But you are doing well! thumbup
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« Reply #17 on: 06 October 2010, 02:15:21 »

Haven't had the chance to finish reading the entry yet but something caught my eye. I cannot understand what the following sentences are trying to say:

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There are those Ximaxian sages who claim that an actual visit to the Netherworlds could only be possible for a mighty wizard, whose imagination is so powerful that all the possibilities he works with in order to create spells can produce whole twisted worlds in his mind in case he is heavily influenced by other magical forces. These imaginations can be fostered by the mage's belief in myths.

Azzy, could you please help me with that? Thanks!  :D
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« Reply #18 on: 08 October 2010, 01:28:56 »

Ok. That bit makes NO sense at all.

It would be impossible for a mage of any kind to simply imagine themselves in the Netherworld. That bit is saying that a wizard, fostered by his beliefs in myths, can "will" himself to other worlds, including the Nether.

As the entry progresses (as Talia says - not an easy challenge) it would be possible to open gates to the Netherworld (but who is to say it really is the Netherworld?). Or at least, the magic used to exist long ago but not anymore.

Other ways to the Netherworld, according to some beliefs, is death (ie humans). Physical manifestations of the Netherworld are believed to be the Mists of Osthemangar and Shadespell Gorge (ie the Shades caught in-between worlds). Those will be addressed as well.
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« Reply #19 on: 27 June 2011, 00:11:14 »

Bumpeting this one up too! Bump! Bumpet! Bumpitapetee!
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« Reply #20 on: 28 June 2011, 05:17:25 »

This is not forgotten, just don't know when I will get around to finishing it.
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« Reply #21 on: 12 May 2012, 00:02:53 »

*dusts off the drafts*

I am getting back to this one. I believe I can summarize the ideas into some kind of form.

New questions/revisions in Orange
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« Reply #22 on: 27 June 2012, 04:34:00 »

I've recently realized that Azhira has edited this entry already in May and added questions/revisions in orange. As the original post dates back to August 2010 I don't know exactly anymore what was edited and already checked back then and what was done now. Were the yellow edits done already back then or now, Azhira?

Anyway, I try to have a look at the orange questions/revisions (had to read up on my own ramblings as well, it's been quite a while!):

- I assume the entry, though marked yellow, is new, as the text announcing the new intro is orange... So I've checked that part and have the following comments:

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The spiritually minded philosophy of the elven race has a less clearly defined belief of the Netherworlds

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The Dream of the elves is composed of a multiverse of states (The word "states" seems odd here, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Better would be something like "realities", "existences", "worlds"?)

- Concerning the first question in Descriptions about elven accounts of the Netherworlds:

Well, I would say that elves don't spread such accounts. According to their beliefs they are not supposed to travel between existences, worlds, forms of reality, and have their places where they were born. Only light elves, guardians of the Tree of Life (of whose existence even less is known) can accomplish this, and the act in secrecy. So elven philosophy doesn't actually speculate on Netherworlds. They exist because they are dreamed up, but that's about it. Elves wouldn't walk rifts without reason.

- Question for Ximaxian experts! - Where are the experts who can help out here?

- Regarding Osthemangar etc.

Well, Osthemangar apparently is a portal to the Netherworlds, or as the elves would say: a rift. It connects to another existence/plane, whether it exists physically or spiritually. It's practically one and the same for the elves, because "spirit" is relative. Maybe everything on other worlds in the multiverse is just "spirit" which is nothing other than "possibility". If you pull a possibility from your magic hat it becomes real. So whether a dark creature existed elsewhere already or became real through dark magic doesn't really matter.

The black magic that caused such a rift to open or which draws the malicious entities into existence in this world of course disrupts the natural harmony. So closing that rift might be in the interest of the elves as the world is getting out of balance.

P.S. Concerning rifts and races I have to advertise for my story "Beyond the Rift" (already on site). If you haven't read this one it explains some philosophical approaches about the races and how they see rifts. If something is unclear in the story I can explain that in more detail of course.

Ok. This covers the first questions. Let me know if that makes things clearer, Azhira, and what else I should check out in particular. :)
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