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« on: 09 February 2012, 06:04:22 »

When I tried to tie the past to the future history, I came about the birthmark/amulet problem. I'm not sure at all, if it is a solution, but its an idea..

The birthmark cannot run equally strong in every child, not even in the boys, for then it would be quite common, wouldn't  it? Every male descendant would have it. Even Staranos and his descendants (if he had any).  Every child fathered outside a marriage.

So I thought, that the birthmark either gets weaker with every generation, so that it is lost in the forth generation. Or it only appears on special individuals of the line. But that might not be the firstborn.

It runs in the girls also though and when it should happen after centuries, that a male descendant of Santhros marries a female one, the birthmark appears very strong. We need that twice in the whole history, if I remember right.

The amulet is the second proof, it gets lost (for the public), but is handed down the whole time.

What do you think, are there other possibilities?


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45 b.S. Birth of Santhros Salazath
A son is born to the Erpheronian nobleman Aelric of House Salazath, who should bear the name Santhros. Aelric is a highly respected member of the Voldarian council, his family having earned his name from the victorious battle of the Erpheronians fending off the Caltharians in 822 b.S. at the Battle of Salazar.
The child has a strange birthmark, a red-brown pigmented spot on the underside of his right forearm which can be interpreted as bird, or, in Erpheronia, a phoenix.

......

4 b.S. Birth of Santhros' daughter, Shaelriga
Santhros' wife Ahreng Cara'Jeshanneh gives birth to their third child and first daughter, Shaelriga.
At the welcome ceremony the father Santhros gives his first child a present: An amulet, two nailsbredth in diameter out of gold and mithril. One side, the golden one,  an image of the Injéra is engraved  with the letter  S in the middle, the mithril side shows the stylised phoenix. When opened by a secret mechanism, a dreamstone can be touched.

............

87 a. S.  The daughter of Santhros the Wise, Shaelriga,  dies with 90 years of age. As she had no daughters, she dedicates the amulet given to her by her father Santhros to her grand niece Sirthala shortly before her death, the more active and lively of the twinsister.

115 a.S. Birth of the Santharian Princess Saenýssa
The Santharian Queen Sirthala and King Kelim welcome princess Saenýssa as her firstborn child.
Saenyssa inherits the amulet Santhros has given to his daughter Shaelriga from her mother Sirthala.  

133 a.S. Princess Saenyssa falls in love with a low-ranked nobleman and marries him. She has two daughters.

147 a.S. Santharian Royal Tragedy: Queen Mother Sirthala and her Twin Sister Na'ahena die
Aged 64 the Santharian Queen Mother Sirthala succumbs to a common blood disease, only days after her twin sister Na'ahena met the same fate.
Princess Na‘ahena dies childless. Her touching poetry however immortalise her.

167 The Hammersfeld Conspiracy: Death of the Heir to the Throne
Tragedy hits the Santharian kingdom when the King's wife Mererra goes into labour and the joyous occasion suddenly turns sour. The hopes of a male heir to the throne being born are shattered when the midwife announces the death of the newborn son. The child is interred at what some describe as a pretentious ceremony, indicating a kingdom on the brink of losing its own identity - the line of the great Santhros is about to be dying out.

Little does the public at the time know that a certain influential Count Dekem Hammersfeld had exactly this intention. After his own second son died during childbirth a few days before Queen Mererra going into labour, he concocted a hideous plan: He bribed the Queen's midwife to swap his own dead son with the healthy newborn, thus preventing a continuation of the Santhros' line of succession.

Swapping the child obviously isn't the only crime the Hammersfelds commits to Queen Mererra: It is a fact that she will remain barren for the rest of her life, and chances are that Dekem Hammersfeld took care of that by having a hand in the medication Mererra received in order to recuperate from her shock of losing her child.

Note that all these details would remain unknown for a very long time, but one of the pieces that help putting it all together are the confessions of the midwife on her deathbed, which a priest wrote down after the woman had died.

Why Count Dekem Hammersfeld would plot for the demise of the house Salazath despite the openly demonstrated closeness is unknown. Rumours go, that there had been unrevealed differences between the houses of Swiftwaters and Hammersfeld concerning the persuing of pirates through Captain Kelim before he married Queen Sirthala. Others say that he never could get over the fact, that Captain Kelim had won the hand of the Queen, though he had hoped he would be in her favour after the early death of his first wife.



I've got an idea for a short entry , but I think, that a midwife was not educated enough to write a nice letter so I thought it would be better to let a more educated person write it. Is that ok?

I'm currently already around the year 300 a.S. , but still plotting .
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« Reply #1 on: 09 February 2012, 06:43:40 »

Talia, I'm so happy you're doing this! I've been eager to see the discussion of history resume again--and few are more fit to write it than you!

With regards to the birthmark: Things like birthmarks can vanish and appear again seemingly bu happenstance. It might necessarily require the children of two descendants, though that is certainly one way.

With regards to the midwife: If the letters are composed by a woman who is not so educated, perhaps it takes a very long time to translate their cryptic misuse of grammar and spelling...? Therefore, the truth about Hammersfeld might not come out, not merely because the letters were kept secret, but because once they were found, they took so long to read! Just an idea. :)

Some of the grammar in your timeline here is a wee bit off. In most cases, it's still quite easy to understand your meaning, but I had trouble with this:
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As she had no daughters, she dedicates shortly before her death the amulet given to her by her father Santhros to Sirthala, the more active and lively of the twinsister.

Sirthala and Shaelriga are twin sisters, right? Or is Sirthala the twin sister of someone else?
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« Reply #2 on: 09 February 2012, 07:06:33 »

Eddings used a birthmark to show the male descendants of the Rivan throne. Polgaria, the ultimate aunt and defender of the line found plenty of ways to cover up the birthmark by keeping the heir busy with cleaning and so forth so that

(1) they couldn't ask questions about it

(2) the people who were their neighbours couldn't ask questions about it

(3) visiting dignitaries couldn't ask questions about it and use the heir for their own purposes/advancement and

(4) visiting enemies couldn't ask questions about it and take advantage of the heir and kill off the line ...

I am fairly certain in that case it was only handed down to male heirs of the line ... and the original guardian of the orb (Riva) was burnt by the orb on his hand.

In the Eddings world, it also marked a sorcerer/sorceress - Polgara's white lock, Belgarath had a mark over his heart, Garion had the birthmark on his hand ... of course, Ce'Nedra also had a birthmark, but she wasn't a sorceress, nor was she the heir to the throne.

I think the Eddings use of the birthmark was put down to the Gods ... and could it be a similar thing here ... the wise sages and so forth who do the portents of who the new Santhron will be could read tea leaves/palms/entrails of something/do the cards/read a crystal ball/whatever when pregnancies in the royal line occur. I'd imagine that one/more of these would also be on hand to check when the baby is born to see if the baby has the birthmark.

The above could even pose interesting power struggles ... if multiple babies have the birthmark ... people could support one, others the other ... or fake birthmarks to try to muddy the waters of succession.

Anyway, just some thoughts

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« Reply #3 on: 09 February 2012, 07:25:13 »

Thanks to both of you!

I left the issue with the birthmark open, we can discuss this in anorther thread, I just introduced the first one...., but you have cool ideas.

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Sirthala and Shaelriga are twin sisters, right? Or is Sirthala the twin sister of someone else?
No, Shaelriga was the daughter of Santhros and I had to give her quite a livespan, so that she could give it to one of her grand nieces? Have to look it up myself!

Santhros (Sons: Laenthris, Thaelnoric; Daughter: Shaelriga)

Shaelraega has no daughters

King Laenthris "the Firm"/Queen Phelossa
(Son: Mantheros; Daughters: Valdda, Naelýnn, Weyfra, Ýssa, Carrena)

King Mantheros/Queen Ilee'ala
(Daughters: Sirthala, Na'ahena)

Grand niece, yes!

The problem is, that the above list is incomplete, because it is only an addition, I did not copy/paste the whole table.
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« Reply #4 on: 09 February 2012, 12:41:36 »

Ah! That makes sense. If I may ask, the events you posted--are these meant or inclusion in the history tables as written? If so, I can go through and edit for clarity. Anything I can do to help--I would really love to see more of the history written! If there's anything I can do to help, let me know!

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« Reply #5 on: 09 February 2012, 17:04:19 »

Yes, they are meant for inclusion in the already written stuff - but I think it is not necessary to edit them in, Art can do it easily, he just has to look at the dates. You know, it is quite a bunch of text which you would have to copy/paste.

I forgot to answer your question about the midwife - I wanted to change it so that I could write it, I can't write like a midwife who is not really capable of writing like you proposed.

Well, I'm not really back, Rayne. Its more out of desperation to distract me from RL. Not even WoW works anymore.
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« Reply #6 on: 09 February 2012, 17:25:19 »

Have you tried LoTRO, Talia? It is similar to WoW, but set in Lord of the Rings ... plus it is free to play :)
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« Reply #7 on: 09 February 2012, 17:59:38 »

No, it doesn't run on a Mac :(.

And it is better this way! Otherwise I would have to give Aion and RIFT a shot also, but my day seems to have just 12 hours, not 24...
I was not tempted to play SWTOR though, didn't even look, if it would run on a Mac. But I get a free Diablo3  edition when it comes out....

Oh, I love WoW still, that's not the problem.
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« Reply #8 on: 10 February 2012, 05:39:29 »

Just a general note about helping to move history further, Rayne - or others.

Aside from defining actual events there's one major issue in the long run which blocks the historical development, and that is nomenclature. Because we need to be able to construct proper names for all characters from various tribes. And if we don't know the basics of that tribe's nomenclature we cannot move on just with placeholders. Things need to make sense, and that starts with clear, distinctive names.

If you look at the Erpheronian entry under Tribal Language and Nomenclature you see that this is a completely developed tribe in this respect. Here's also the thread with tribal names we've started. But there's still a lot missing there, like Helcrani, Centoraurians etc. - also all that hasn't found it's way into the entries. Even Judy's Caltharian entry additions are still not on the site after five years. So this would also be a good opportunity to help indirectly, and these things would be tremendously important additions for the tribe entries themselves and thus for the RPG players to find proper names. Even in the Vardýnn project's context Helcrani and Centoraurian names are essential to have. - But wherever progess is made, if there are further tribes where we can nail down nomenclature, this would be immensely important.
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« Reply #9 on: 10 February 2012, 05:57:52 »

I have thought often about the nomenclature of the Shendar and the Stratanian and though I have some ideas, I do not really know, how to make the dialects just a bit different. :(

I used what was there though for the names I invented! :)
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« Reply #10 on: 09 July 2012, 06:23:54 »

Art, could you have a look at this one? I think it is ok now, if I didn't miss something.
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« Reply #11 on: 10 July 2012, 03:28:07 »

Okeydokey, Talia, had another look at the changes, which look all fine with me :) A few things to adjust/rearrange - in some sentences the word order looks more German to me than English, so here are my suggestions:

- "nailsbreth" should be "nailsbreadth"

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On one side, the golden one,  an image of the Injéra is engraved with the letter S in the middle, the mithril side shows the ... moon (there's something missing...).

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As she had no daughters, she dedicates the amulet given to her by her father Santhros to her grand niece Sirthala shortly before her death, the more active and livelier one of the twinsisters.

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Saenyssa inherits the amulet Santhros has given to his daughter Shaelriga from her mother Sirthala. 

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Her touching poetry however immortalize her. (Looks like this word is the better choice, at least from what I could find on the net.)

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Why Count Dekem Hammersfeld would plot for the demise of the house Salazath despite the openly demonstrated closeness is unknown.

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Others say that he never could get over the fact...

And now I hope that we'll get the next 100 years soon, would be great to add another chapter to the so important Santharian history! Especially of such an interesting time! cool  thumbup
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« Reply #12 on: 10 July 2012, 04:07:35 »

I'm on the way, will edit the stuff above as you proposed, no colourchanges therefore.

Missing .. yes, need to look up what kind of moon I wanted - the correct word.
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« Reply #13 on: 10 July 2012, 04:23:41 »

Corrections done! I skipped the moon though and added - again  - the Phoenix (stylised phoenix), I'm open for any other nice symbol also (dragon?) what would fit to Santhros?
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