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« Reply #15 on: 25 June 2012, 14:35:00 »

You and I should sit down and have a look at Santharian names for anatomy.  Somewhere around we have the equivalent of Vitruvian Man, for Santharia, with the muscles named....and I think I gave some other useful anatomy as well.  Using 'breastbone' instead of 'sternum' or 'thighbone' rather than 'femur' is a good start.  Lemme see about that picture....
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« Reply #16 on: 25 June 2012, 14:38:47 »

Oooh, look, we DID!    Here's the link for your convenience:

http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,11643.0.html

And here's YOUR list of body parts:  http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12246.0.html

Anyhow, changing from Latinate to more Santharian names would certainly help.   Also have a look at the Family Book of Medicine link that I posted to you the other day...some great phrases and methodology we could borrow for a more archaic feel  (placing hot iron bars on the spine, blistering, bleeding, and cupping, for pity's sake!)
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« Reply #17 on: 25 June 2012, 19:27:08 »

Hi Kelancy,

I agree, that it helps healers to know, how the body looks inside, though I bet there are ways of being a healer as good as any without that way of achieving that knowledge. You can't find the paths of "life" the Chinese medicine knows with an autopsy. (or however they are called)

What about the following compromise:
The Dalorians do necropsy with the dead bodies of outlaws, hanged etc, all those who would not be buried on a Christian cemetery.. Queprur's priests may be asked to be there, or maybe sometimes not as well. (I think a lot happens in secrecy, the common people might not want it to be performed out of superstition etc)

Queprur's priest do one in the rare occasion when someone (important) is believed to be murdered and it is important enough, to open his body and not give him his deserved rest. They have to do more, than have a look inside, they need to find a poison or whatelse. And have other ways also to find something.

I would generally not make it to something which is accepted. The law may allow it, but the people have a different opinion, in this direction. That does not mean, that there can not be an article in the encyclopedia, we are all educated people there, are we?

I have difficulties to express myself today, let's try another approach.

A small part of the Dalorians practise necropsy, to learn, to teach. Most healers though will not practise it normally. A priestess of Queprur should be at hand, but if not..

"Have you heard? They opened that thief and without a priestess of our Deathmistress .. and now the soul of that poor guy haunts the wood near the village, and as he was an evil person in life he might be more dangerous now.."

I think it is a very difficult subject to describe, its impact on society etc.
What the gods "think" about it is alright, as I see it.

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« Reply #18 on: 25 June 2012, 23:43:12 »

Talia, that sounds excellent!  grin I'm imagining that my character, Kelancey, has actually only witnessed 2 necropsies, performed under the auspices of Queprurian priestesses. He's never actually done any himself, and this would be his description of what he saw another Dalorin doing.

I also really like your idea that the Queprurian priestesses would be the only ones who would handle a necropsy for someone who was murdered--it fits better for them to apply their unique skills in that setting.

Also, thank you, Judy, for going back & finding the references to the body parts. I plan to use Santharian terms for body parts with my next edit, hopefully later today.  thumbup  thumbup
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« Reply #19 on: 27 June 2012, 21:52:17 »

More edits made:

Santharian names for muscles and internal organs inserted, wherever possible.
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« Reply #20 on: 09 July 2012, 01:28:40 »

After reading the Procedures section again, I wonder, should I just eliminate that part of this entry altogether? Is that a big part of why this entry seems too modern, not feeling like an archaic procedure?

I'd still really like to see necropsy be added to the site somehow, if that's still a possibility. I'm just at a loss for how to make it fit in our world.
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« Reply #21 on: 11 July 2012, 04:46:13 »

Hey Kel, I wouldn't throw this right on the burn pile yet.
I'm not sure but perhaps this might fit as an addition to the surgical procedures section?
Perhaps mention that some unscrupulous physicians like to cut open dead bodies in the name of learning? I'd leave it up to you, but I'd certainly hate to see the work go to waste.
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« Reply #22 on: 11 July 2012, 13:27:20 »

I agree with Valan.  Don't drop this.  From history, there were many periods where medical practitioners hired body snatchers to collect cadavars for their research, and law enforcement had to deal with them.  In this world, you have those horrible terrible dastardly mages (have I mentiioned I don't like magic?), in particular necromancers, who might want to perform necropsy in order to better refine their spells (regents, perhaps?  dried hearts, maybe?).

For the entry, go equal parts lore and medical.  Describe the procedure (limitedly), but link it with an example from above.  That way, you get in the technical, but you Santh it up, so that the reader barely realizes he just learned something. :)

Again, my own opinion and should carry very little weight.
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« Reply #23 on: 12 July 2012, 02:29:20 »

Thanks, Valan & Alt. I'll put some time and effort into "Santh-ing it up", maybe conjuring images of seedy back-alley illicit activities and shady black market transactions with unseemly characters. I hope this can yet fit into a Tolkien-esque world of intrigue and shadow.
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« Reply #24 on: 12 July 2012, 04:34:18 »

Not enough intrigue and shadow in the Santharian universe imo.  evil

But I aim to fix that whenever possible.  ;)
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« Reply #25 on: 12 July 2012, 04:47:42 »

Yeah, I also wanted to suggest further dark connections like Altario said, e.g. to necromancers, who might need body parts of the dead. In general we don't have enough graverobbers in Caelereth to put it bluntly, the dark side of things, especially as part of the regular medieval society still needs some elaboration.

As you mention the procedure: It's always possible to put something in of which you can also distance yourself as the writer of the entry by quoting it and make it a document found e.g. at secret congregations where these, some say, unholy things took place. That way we'd have a first hand report with a muddled origin. The more Santharianized it is he better of course, but you have ample possibilities to make that work, Kelancey.

BTW: We actually already have a dissection posted on the site, see the merfolk entry, complete with illustration! Even then we didn't name the mage who made the dissection, probably because it's somewhat of a secret science...
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« Reply #26 on: 12 July 2012, 21:53:58 »

I understand that Santharia is generally done in the vein of Tolkien, but... I tried to mimic the style of H.P. Lovecraft in the methods section.  Does that look, well, more ominous and spooky?

I should say at this point that I still have revising to do, and I hope to have a next draft finished soon-ish.
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« Reply #27 on: 12 July 2012, 23:06:39 »

The entry is excellent, but does not cover all aspects of tradition and lore as maybe it should.

I would open the entry to say that traditionally necropsies are performed by the White Nehtorians and Queprur clerics, however! There are known to be a variety of cults and shady figures out there who ignore traditions and subvert divine "law" by obtaining cadavers illegally and grave robbing.

Arti and Altario made good suggestions regarding this.

It was my intent that the Everbright cult practiced fire animation (necromancy using fire magic) in secret covens under Ximax. Unfortunately, that never made the entry and I need to fix it.

Overall, the entry details the good and proper side of necropsy but needs to explain the other side.

Perhaps I can help? Maybe we can dual write this entry?
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« Reply #28 on: 13 July 2012, 00:29:10 »

YES.

Please, Azhira, I would love for you to co-author this with me, please!  Tell me what to do, I could really use your help infusing more mystery and general darkness into this entry.  The remaining edit I had in mind was to include the method of necropsy into that short italicized blurb I've written.

I didn't have any further ideas for how to carry on with this. Could I leave that part, the vampiric, the occult, the creepy part of the entry to you?
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« Reply #29 on: 14 July 2012, 03:08:39 »

I've finished editing the Methods section, hopefully that part will now fit better in our world.
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