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« Reply #15 on: 04 February 2009, 07:36:20 »

@ Rookie. I've just given Talia a new word for weed or grass, but the Orcs tend to use it to describe any plant which isn't a tree. Batuk. This would make your mushroom K'arg'Batuk (Attacking-plant). (My as yet unwritten grammar rules state that the apostrophe is used to denote where two words are used as one, or where two words have been shortened and used as one) Hope that helps, Rooks.

@ Lionhorse. Glad to see that you have taken up my challenge, Lionhorse. I suggest that you take a look a couple of posts up from here. I have given a list of possible new words which just need meanings. You could select from there. Or you could create your own, but either Alysse or I would need to see them before you used them, to ensure that they are in keeping with the Kh'omchr'om. Good luck, my friend, and I await the results of your efforts eagerly.
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« Reply #16 on: 04 February 2009, 08:17:06 »

I love the names--and being an IKEA shopper, recognize some of them!   rofl

Perhaps I could ask Art to re-post my attempt at a orcish war song to give Lionhorse an idea of what can be done?  The recording wasn't site-worthy but it's still pretty cool, methinks, and conveys the idea of the guttural, throat-clearing sound of Kh'omchr'om nicely.


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« Reply #17 on: 04 February 2009, 09:35:08 »

Okay, Lionhorse, I emailed you with my orcish war song, but I didn't send the words, so here they are.

Orcish war song (often sung while marching to battle, or to stir up the troops)


B’rrak!  M’ashz ch'ron-p'thok

K’rrak!  Ghun arq’u!

K’rrak!  M’ashz ch'ron-p'thok

K’mnt b'korra k’resz!


Translation

[We] declare war!  [On] the unworthy enemy (lit.” vermin” or non/orc)

Attack the cursed defender!

Attack the unworthy enemy!

[We] celebrate (lit. “bring music to”) [their] tombs!

One important thing to remember about orcish, is that most subtleties in the language are conveyed by gesture.  Thus "B'rrak!", the first word in this song could mean one of the following:

I declare war
You declare war
He/she declares war
We declare war
They declare war
 
or any past, present or future version of these phrases.  Subject, tense (past, present, or future) and object are all indicated by gestures.   An orcish song is almost as much of a dance as it is a song.  Humans perceive orcs to be big rough brutes, because their verbal language is limited and sounds like grunts and snarls, but their ability to convey meaning and emotion through body language transcends even the expressive verbal language of the elves.  It's nearly impossible to lie convincingly to an orc, for instance, because they are so attuned to body language that they can accurately read meaning into the slightest tension or movement of the speaker.

Well, that was probably more than you wanted to know, but hope it's helpful anyway.

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« Reply #18 on: 04 February 2009, 19:33:58 »

K'arg'Batuk!  Woo, thankyou Tharoc  :D

Wow, orcs are cooler than I thought - I love the idea of a song where the dance is also part of the words....or even a story which has to be "danced" to - dramatised is maybe the right word.  *mind boggles*
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« Reply #19 on: 04 February 2009, 21:57:07 »

Ok, Thank you Alysse for song... and, Tharoc, thanks for reply. It seems then for me that I should write in this thread a new words for Kh'omchr'om to complete my march of the orcs and sing it in. Well... here they are:

we go - B'rok'thuruk
to crumble - grock
and - shi
destroy - urdan
enemy - gardat (pl. gard'urdath)
fear - arrgothrath
from us - kq'uback
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« Reply #20 on: 05 February 2009, 04:43:24 »

Nice words, Lionhorse. We'll make an Orc of you yet!

Your word for enemy, gardat, shouldn't need a plural. As Alysse has mentioned, they use gestures to express things like that. Gardat could mean enemy or enemies, depending on the accompanying gesture.

Your word for fear, arrgothrath, is perhaps a little to long for the Orcs. They usually stick to shorter sounds than this. Any long words you see in their language are usually two or three words which have been 'joined together' by an apostrophe. This usually occurs where words are regularly used together. They just simplify it by making them sound like a single word. Alternatives could be Arr'go'thrath, Arr'goth'rath or even Arr'g'oth'r'ath.

Keep up the good work, my friend  ;)

@ Alysse. Seen Rookies post? It's working!
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« Reply #21 on: 05 February 2009, 04:52:06 »

Are we sure Orcs have a language? All I get out of Tharoc is a bunch or rudimentary grunts! HA HA HA! lol
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« Reply #22 on: 05 February 2009, 04:58:07 »

Wot?......oo?........eh?.........
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« Reply #23 on: 05 February 2009, 07:22:24 »

@ Lytherá: Was that a discrimination of the race? huh

@ Tharoc: Alright, I'll just correct some of those words as you said. Alright? grin thumbup thumbup
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« Reply #24 on: 06 February 2009, 00:02:31 »

@ Rookie:  Yay, you've got the idea!  Orcs ARE cool!  And this "gesture" language means that they don't need a lot of vocal speech, so it's not especially developed.  Very useful for hunting or raiding, when quiet is needed.  So it's practical as well as cool.

@ Mies:  Maybe you need to watch Tharoc's movements more carefully...especially if he's charging at you, grimacing ferociously and waving a big mace of some sort.  That one shouldn't need much translation--it means "RUN AWAY!"   lol


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« Reply #25 on: 06 February 2009, 05:43:06 »

Alright, I have updated my words (see below):

we go - B'rok'thuruk
to crumble - grock
and - shi
destroy - urdan
enemy, enemies - gardat
fear - arrg'oth'rath
from us - kq'uback
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« Reply #26 on: 06 February 2009, 05:51:22 »

Those look fine to me, Lionhorse. Let's see how they look in a song, eh?
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« Reply #27 on: 06 February 2009, 06:07:20 »

Just one thing:

No pronouns.  Orcs indicate "we" and "us" with gestures, so it would just be the words "go" and "from" with the appropriate gestures to indicate "we and "us".  Aside from that, these are fine.  Oh, and one more thing:  Orcs don't actually have a written word language (they use something akin to pictograms)  What we have here as "orc language" is the Tharian idea of how these words would be spelled based on the sound of them.  Thus orcish spelling isn't exactly standardized or a precise study at this point.
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« Reply #28 on: 06 February 2009, 06:12:41 »

But it is something which I have been making notes on. And punctuation rules.
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« Reply #29 on: 06 February 2009, 07:02:04 »

Ok, ok... then I'll just find some free moment to record the song and then post in Dev Board, alright?
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