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[Valan Nonesuch]

A thought.

Kh' Battle/War/Fighting
Omchr: word/talk/language
'Om: of/belonging.

So Kh'omchr'om comes to mean "Language of Battle". Or the instructions leaders give in battle. Since khq already means "Fight" this makes sense I think.

Incidentally, Dwarven has quite a few nasty little words listed under K, that I imagine the orcs would be all too happy to borrow from.
Like this:
khorimyeh (verb) Tharian: Die.

So we could change that to Kh'om'yeh. End of Battle/Death.

[Tharoc Wargrider]

Hhmmm. I like the cut of your jib, Valan!

Excellent suggestions. I shall act on them tomorrow when I have more time. 

[M´ruk Loshashzuck]

How about Language of K'han'uck's Race?

Kh'- Of K'han'uck
Omchr-Language
'Om- Race/People

I don't think there needs to be an 'of'.

Or how about Language of Battle control?

Kh'- Battle
Omchr-Language
'Om- Use/control

Just a few ideas blending yours. I like both   

[Valan Nonesuch]

@M'ruk
I think that first conflicts with the word Oc meaning Orc. Which would also conflict with the idea of orcish view of Oc (Orcs) and Ch'ron-P'thok (Vermin, everyone and everything not orc). I doubt need a word for "race/people". Why distinguish between different sorts of vermin after all?

They already have an "of". The word "Ar" which is used to connect words.

English doesn't quite work to explain, but the word "Om" would have a possessive meaning, ideally. A way of saying "mine/ours/theirs/its/his" since orcish doesn't have things like I/we/he as words (replaced with things that don't translate well to text like gestures and facial expressions). You attach 'om to the end of something with the appropriate gesture and you tell everyone who the noun in question belongs to, who possesses it.

"Plains of Orcs" Rhom'ar'y'oc would decode to something like "Plains on which there are weak orcs"
While Rhom'y'oc'om would be to "Plains which belong to/are the possession of weak orcs". Different word, different placement, different meaning. Simple. Kh'omchr'om seems to be a language without shades of grey.

[Valan Nonesuch]

For Tharoc

Valan's list of suggestions for breaking up words.

Noruck-chmer; Skirmisher
Noruck: No Shield (Taken from Goruck; Shieldbearer)
chmer: weak arm (From Cha; Female, From the following definitions of skirmish:
A brief battle  between small groups, usually part of a longer or larger battle or war.
In warfare, a tactic of attacking with missile weapons without making contact.)
A fighter that is not does not wear armor and is not strong. Cannon fodder.

Goruck gives us then:

With Shield/Armor?
Or the word Ruck; armor/protection/shield

Ngangaz: This one doesn't bother me actually. It sounds onomatopoeic, the sound of a bow string being released and an arrow leaving it. Also Nganga perhaps. One of the two is spelled the wrong way, or a plural.

Harach-me; Ogre Berserk
Harach; Ogre, Head-weak, dumb.
me: I can't think of anything for this. Perhaps the word "tool" as a suffix. Which would make weapons cut-tool?

Kh'al'on; Distance/future
Kh'; meaning fight (an assumption)
Al; dialectic corruption of Ar. A difference in tongues between tribes perhaps?
On; dialectic corruption of ogm: Moving/Move to Move
Spirit: Moving to fight.

Uon'kh'al'on; Shaman
Important word this one.
Breaking it down?
Uon'; Seeing/to see (from the dictionary
kh' fight
al'; corruption of Ar (as above)
on; corruption of ogm (as above)
Kh'al'on means distance, the future.
Spirit: One who sees the future, a far seer.

Z’rovkya; Hairy/Beard
I really can't get this one.
And the site won't find it. Blame the Kuglimz, this sounds like kuglimz'seitre
The Bearded Horse Especially since it's one of Alysse's pieces. The word sounds reminiscent of one of the European languages, polish perhaps?

Words from other entries (not included in the dictionary)

Emesz; FIRE! (I was wondering why this didn't show up, and it's from one of Tharoc's entries!)

This is quite possibly one of the rarest trees in the whole of Caelereth, being found in only one location, on the lower slopes of Mount Emesz'gob (lit. "Fire Cave"), an extinct volcano in the Prominent range of Northern Sarvonia.

yrr'la'h'rok; drink The Bearded Horse

I came across "Rochuck" here which is not included in the dictionary. Supposed to mean "Wargrider" but it doesn't really fit. Morguck sounds a little closer, Morgur being the word for warg, uck meaning warrior. Or perhaps Morzuck? Literally, Warg Warrior in either case.

Khrumm; orcish warsword link

the name "Kruhm" comes from a shortening of the animal's full name, and was first used by the Kaeer'dr'shín  half-orcs.

Krr’ah’ghi; vine producing spicy sap used for flavouring. link This will want breaking up.

Batuk; vegetation/plants

"K'arg'Batuk" (lit. "attacking vegetation")

tlor; Blood. link

It is also known as "Shelfung" (Tharian) "kroch'tlor" (orcish) and "urtumua" (ThergerimTaal).

The word kroch means good. So the translation here would be "good blood"?

Haz'ha'akh,

The exact process for making one of these fine blades is impossible to tell, as the Ashz-oc believe they were given this knowledge by the Giant Haz'ha'akh, and refuse to reveal the secret

Haz means Guard.
Ha' and Akh have no meaning at this point.
Akh might mean giant?
It could also be a corruption of arq; hit/hitting/to hit

Ha'acho'Ha'k

the knowledge of how to turn the wood into blades of the highest quality, by the Giant Haz'ha'akh in return for helping him to defeat his brother Ha'acho'Ha'k ("The Sword Maker") and for guarding the mountain hiding his brother's forge.

Perhaps Ha'k means sword? I'd rather like that.
Acho would then mean what? Crafter? One who makes?
Still no meaning for Ha'
C'hruk; Dark link

The Osther-Oc battle song, "Choan'ash'uon'kh'al'on'uck" (lit. "Choan the Worthy"), has a few lines in it that tell of an army of Wisps that were summoned from within the Deep Winds Portal to function as guides for the orcen armies as they invaded southern Sarvonia. The song has been translated as either being Wisps, demons or phantasms. Apparently, the Kh'om'chr'om word for "ghost" can also mean many other things, including Will'o'Wisp.

link
This is a bit of the opposite. Though Choan'ash'uron'kh'al'on'uck translates to "Choan, Worthy Shaman Warrior" or something along those lines(and I imagine it's a mouthful in orcen as well)
The word for ghost should literally mean something not of this world. Morta is dead, but I'll avoid using that. Especially since it does more than say
I'd like to see M'losh (untrue) incorporated somehow, orcs seem a very tactile sort. If it's a ghost they can't touch it. M'losh'uon perhaps? Untrue Sight. Literally something which can't possibly be there. Otherworldly.
So, add this one.

M'losh'uon; Otherwordly, Ghost, spectre, spirit, demon?

There's no word for metal, which troubles me.
Kh'langk (guess at the pronunciation) Iron/Steel; War Metal.

[M´ruk Loshashzuck]

Waid- Path/Process
Ouk- Burn
Noss- Refuse, deny
In- To enter, as in a contest or conversation
Alak- To rush
Hef- Large, rich, big, imposing, hulking, huge
Asc- Up, to ascend, to climb
Hee- To give, to present, gift, present, to place, to put
Hori- to Long
Nom'Ssalo- Jaw, mouth

[Tharoc Wargrider]

Sorry, M'ruk, I've already claimed a word for portal (albeit unofficially). I have an entry on the cards called The Gates of Hell'wrung. Wrung = gate, gateway, door, portal etc. Hell = south, southern.

Sorry 

[M´ruk Loshashzuck]

No problemo, I can just change it to In-to enter

Is that OK?

[Tharoc Wargrider]

Hmmm. Considering our conversations about the derivations of words recently, I think 'to enter' should be something like 'ung' or similar.

What do you think?

[M´ruk Loshashzuck]

Hmm... perhaps 'In' can mean to enter as in a contest, tournament, or conversation, whereas something like 'ung' is used to mean to enter as in a building?

[Tharoc Wargrider]

Good thought.

We can sort details like this out soon, when I make an effort to update the dictionary with all these new words!

You, Valan and I should also arrange a little discussion to try to finalise at least a few basic grammatical rules for Kh'omchr'om. I know a few ideas were thrown into the ring, but we need to decide which are the good, the bad, and the downright ugly.

Obviously, I'll try to grab hold of Irid or one of our other polyglot's for their opinions as well.

[Valan Nonesuch]

Tharoc: Any thoughts on the earlier post there, or is that going to be subject to the discussion?

[Tharoc Wargrider]

That will be discussed later, Val. And in all honesty, you have presented so much detailed information over your last few posts I'll need to read through them a couple more times to make sure I've fully understood everything you say! 

[Azhira Styralias]

Has anyone gone through my entries for new orcen words? I have several...

From the Caaehl Mountain entry:

"ish'ko "jahgg'rumm" (orcen lit. "mind sickness fog")

"ish'ko (mind or spirit).
"jahgg (sick or ailment)
"rumm" (fog, mist, vapor etc.)

"Chuut'kur Volk'has"

"chuut" (kin, blood relative)
"kur" (old or ancient)
"volk" (house, space, dwelling)
"has" (large or spacial or palace)

[M´ruk Loshashzuck]

@Azhira any chance you could change has to wide/spacious/palace because I've already put a word for large/big/imposing/hulking/huge (Hef)? Thanks.

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