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« Reply #120 on: 02 July 2010, 05:39:47 »

Yeah, it'd be nice to have a better way to write gestures.   :(
I didn't think 10 symbols was a lot though.  Think of it as a second (and very ugly) alphabet used for spelling out gestures. 

But mainly I'm wondering:

1. Are the gestures themselves alright?
2. Do the ways of using them make sense? 
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« Reply #121 on: 02 July 2010, 05:47:52 »

1. Yes but we DEFINITELY need A LOT more
2. Yep, but perhaps we could have another few to show where it comes relative to the words e.g. before, during, or after the word or sentence.
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« Reply #122 on: 02 July 2010, 13:52:57 »

1. Well, 8 positions and 3 shapes give a total of 24 possible static ones if I have calculated it correctly, of which only 6 have been used so far.  Including movement, there are quite a lot of possible gestures.  I don't mind suggestions.   :)

2. I intended the gestures to be made while speaking they are written as being attached to.  I think they should be simple enough that they can be completed even in the time taken to say just a single-syllable word. 

If the gestures are alright, how about, as a temporary measure, we write the equivalent English word?  For example "h'rok[my]" instead of "h'rok[_>=@]/[_<:@]/[_>=@]" for "my horse"?  Still the same gestures, just translated into English before writing since we don't have a good way of directly writing gestures. 
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« Reply #123 on: 02 July 2010, 16:24:39 »

That's not a bad idea...My idea involved replacing the accents with them, as a kind of two-birds-with-one-stone measure, but that only works when you stick to ' and ` and a couple more like that. But a kind of gestures-dictionary with all of the common gestures in shouldn't be hard and could be an idea...

On the number of gestures - we aren't trying to make a sign language here, so we don't need too many.

But did you get |? Or ? Maybe * as well? But I think Mina is right, 24 is quite a lot of positions, and they really come into their own for similar sounding words. There isn't really a Terran languages which has this mix of gestures and vocals (not a common onne, at least) so we don't have much from experience. However, we do always run into the problem of its looking hideuosly ugly!

I had an idea, on the Chatting in Santh. Languages, about using accents which gives us 4 basic gestures common to all vowels, plus a couple more for individual letters. As Mina said over there, there may not be enough vowels, but it's an idea. Or a single accent on each word could give a general stance or position? So for example:

Xs could be Hot(nicely so ie warm)
Xs could be Hot(as in boiling/furnace ie uncomfortable)

Or since pronouns are likely to need gestures:

Xs is "I-Hot"  - ie, I am hot
Xs is "You-hot" - ie, You are hot
Xs is "He-hot" - ie, He is hot
Xs is "She-hot" - ie, She is hot

These are just ideas and do not preclude Mina's system, into which she has put a lot of work, but is just for basic common gestures rather than more subtle ones.

Then when we add in the tilda and some others, especially from the Scandinavian, we get quite a range of preicse accents as well.

This page contains all of the keyboard shortcuts for word, and lists pretty much every accent and special character.

The Umlaut and the acute go on a "y" as well and "a" and "o" can have a tilda. Plus the cedille and the "o with a line through it"  and a couple more and we can pick and choose the most feasible of the lot to use - certainly not all of them! That would be a new alphabet, almost.

ANyway, I hope that my idea adds a little something to the language discussions, even if it never reaches site.

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« Reply #124 on: 06 July 2010, 05:20:40 »

I was going to wait until I've come up with something better before replying, but that's taking too long.  So I'll just mention some of the things I've been thinking of. 

There are actually quite a lot more diacritics we can use, if we go with that.  Wikipedia has quite a big list.  We could either have each diacritic representing a "word" like your examples with the pronouns, or use them as a less ugly version of the punctuation-spelling I came up with.  But the former requires lots of diacritics, and the latter requires a lot of vowels to put the diacritics on. 

Another idea might be to do something similar to what I did, but using letters instead of punctuation.  So, for example, instead of the symbols "^, _, <, >, :, =", we could instead have "a, b, c, d, e, f".  That,s probably less ugly, but most people probably associate letters with sounds rather than gestures.  Also, we need a way to distinguish them from the spoken words, since those are being written with the same letters.  Maybe they could be italicized or something, but I'm not sure how well that would work yet. 
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« Reply #125 on: 06 July 2010, 06:48:20 »

How about Greek/Arabic/Hebrew characters instead?

And I wasn't proposing that we should only use accents, but for some common ideas they may be useful, I think.

Not got long - it's 10:45 and I need sleep, so that's all. Sorry for the pathetically short post!

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« Reply #126 on: 06 July 2010, 18:20:03 »

That sounds like a very good idea, Athviaro. I agree  grin
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« Reply #127 on: 06 July 2010, 19:06:40 »

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How about Greek/Arabic/Hebrew characters instead?
Arabic might not work very well, since it's supposed to be written right-to-left I think.  But the other two might work. 

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And I wasn't proposing that we should only use accents, but for some common ideas they may be useful, I think.
Oh, I think I get it now.  You mean something like how in English we sometimes write, for example, "&" for "and", right?  Yeah, that does sound like a good idea.   thumbup
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« Reply #128 on: 06 July 2010, 20:46:09 »

You mean something like how in English we sometimes write, for example, "&" for "and", right?  Yeah, that does sound like a good idea.   thumbup

Sort of; like how in Spanish ao and ano mean different things.
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« Reply #129 on: 15 April 2011, 05:41:52 »

In need of a couple of words:

From "Shielbearer(s) = Goruck" I gather that "Go" could be taken as the word for shield?

Is there a word for "diamond"? Or possibly "hard rock".. though diamond would be much more appropriate given that there's a play on the 'facets' of the precious stone..

Finally, "scales" as in the scales of a dragon, or any reptilian creature?

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« Reply #130 on: 15 April 2011, 06:47:44 »

Jonael, I didn't a bit of comprehensive work on breaking up orcish words Here

From a few other words on the site, I determined that "ruck" was the word for shield, right at the beginning, it's also in the dictionary.

As for scales. The word maar seems to mean "hide" from what I wrote in the spined worm. I can't find an equivalent on the site or in the dictionary. So perhaps y'marr for scales? Small-hide?

Diamond: phra'koh from stone and the word for fight (khq) fighting stone (for its hardness). However, since I gather you want a diamond shape (actually a sort of rhombus I believe), try this on for size

Diamond shield: mih'vert'ruck: Four-point-shield

Mih from the elvish meh: 4. The dark elves taught the orcs originally.
vert from vertex :P
And the original rational for ruck was based on "noruck-chmer" meaning skirmisher.
Noruck "no-shield"
Chmer "weak arm"
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