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[xerampelinae deicida]

You've got a real god point.

have krè for mouth in both modern and acient dialects then

Old Ylffer krèt for "to talk"

Old Ylffer krètánoa for talkative

which is where we get the modern Styrásh words

krètén for loud (this is the only word here thats not new)

krètán for talkative

Theres a lot more cognents that could be derived here but I only need the root word.

[Elrond Zook]

way to complicated for me, so... keep it up!! lol  

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[Anwulf]

This is in connection with the thread about noun affixes.

I went through the latest vocab lists I had, and created the following nouns from adjectives using the affixes listed in the grammar. This is all completely non-canonical, and I'm just inventing functions for each affix. I've put the source adjective in brackets after the entry. There are a couple of double entries where the same Styrásh word has been given two different, but related meanings in English.

None of the following words has any official status at the time of posting.

A
ability (n) arnerá (f) — (árn (adj) able)
activity soorál (m) — (soór (adj) active)
anger tanés (m) — (tán (adj) irate)
antiquity entinách (f) — (entiná (adj) ancient)
attraction gakkuá (f) — (gákk (adj) cute, little)

B
bulk ilár (f) — (íl (adj) enormous)

C
clarity leryráz (f) — (lerýr (adj) clear)

D
dark mohíl (m) — (móh (adj) dark)
depth morás (f) — (mór (adj) deep)

E
elegance vashenár (f) — (vashén (adj) graceful)

F
falsehood ishím (m) — (ísh (adj) false)
freedom enayái (f) — (enáy (adj) free)

G
glow enaelár (f) — (enáel (adj) bright)

H
height kaiól (m) — (kái (adj) high)

I
illusion deleró (f) — (dél magical)
isolation ylfferéth (m) — (ylffer (adj) alone, isolated)

L
liberty enayái (f) — (enáy (adj) free)

M
magic deleró (f) — (dél magical)

N
noise kreteníl (m) — (kretén (adj) loud)
novelty shenerá (f) — (shén (adj) new)

P
perfection ylfiaruá (f) — (ylfiár (adj) perfect)
protection eáj (f) — (eaá (adj) protective)
permanence inéf (f) — (ín (adj) permanent, rigid, stiff, fixed, unmoved)
piece linená (f) — (linén little, small)
purity raugierá (f) — (raugií (adj) pure)

S
saltiness puenér (m) — (púe-én (adj) salty)
silence salenár (f) — (salén (adj) quiet)
size unnáo (f) — (únn (adj) big, huge)
softness munér (m) — (mún (adj) soft)

T
talent shireníc (m) — (shirén (adj) clever)
tastiness shigenál — (shi-gén (adj) tasty)

V
vanity merá (f) < [[mé] erá] — (mé (adj) conceited, vain)

Edited by: Anwulf at: 6/5/06 14:23

[Bard Judith]

What lovely words!  Your choice of vocabulary is also apt considering the elven culture - as I like to joke, etymology recapitulating philosophy...

Dwarves, for example, don't HAVE a word for elegance - although I suppose if they wanted to express that concept they might say something like 'elvish-looking'...  

I also like 'cute':  can't you just picture a young elf maid leaning over a cradle and gushing "Oooooh, gaak-gak-gaaaaaak!"    

[Artimidor Federkiel]

Cool stuff - I'll look through it and will add this list to the vocabulary if I don't see problems - but I guess you have a firm grip on Styrásh and know much more explicitly than I do in an implicit way  

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[Anwulf]

I think I'm far from getting the hang of Styrásh, but this will help when it comes to the formation of new words.

I've thought of one other word

rigidity (n) inerá (f) — ín (adj) rigid

Also, I'd like to propose the suffix -(e)lán which would form verbs from adjectives, hence

activate (vb) soorelán
beautify (vb) avathelán
brighten (vb) enaellán
free (vb) enayelán
raise (vb) kailán
etc.

I won't go through a whole list.

I thought that the -e- would be omitted if

a.) the adjective ends in a vowel (e.g. melán (vb) to think highly of oneself < mé (adj) conceited) or
b.) the adjective ends in -l- (e.g. illán to enlarge < íl enormous)

[Lady Cherri]

Umm, sorry I have nothing to contribute in this area for it seems I am not the only one who does not dare the butchering of the elvish language, but I have not seen yet of something that would help communicate gratefulness.  Like Thank You.  I have seen the 'you' but not the Thank or Thankful.  I guess as Twen used, “Avathcin avél” which means beautiful thought is about the only thing I have seen yet.  Is this correct?  There isn't anything more?

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[Ranthar]

Very interesting! 
But I still don't think that I will ever master Styrásh.  ...way too complicated...  No, not even this one.

[Decipher Ziron]

Ranthar ,why do you post in areas when you have nothing to contribute?

[Thuja]

There isn't really a word for wet yet.  So I propose this

wet - covered with water

táe'lianér'már (old way maybe?)

derived to maybe one of these

táliamár (f)
tálimár (f)
táe'limár(f)


Then with this we could make a word for marsh

tálimar'cál  (just my choice meaning 'wet land')

then salt marsh could be

tálimar'oncál  (meaning 'wet salt water land')

just an idea, would need someone to check out if this would work

[Falethas Whisperwind]

Well, ''covered with water'' should be more along the lines of táe'marthé, making use of the ablative suffix, but once that is acheived and shortened to tamarthé or something like that, your ideas using -'cál and -'oncál are perfectly fine!  Personally, I think the word tamarthé'cál is one of the more beautiful words that I have seen in this language... It just sort of rolls nicely off the tongue, y'know? 

[Artimidor Federkiel]

Well, your constructions might be grammatically correct, Ysuran, but in general - if you look at various composed Styrásh words - we go usually for the short version, consisting of the roots of the two words only. That isn't uncommon in other languages either.

Look for example at the word "táe'lón", which means "covered wood" while in fact it's just "cover" and "wood". Same thing applies here, so Thuja just works from how we've done it so far.

[Thuja]

Okay, then how about this,

tálimár -  for small things that are wet, like say hands, a shirt, etc.

and

tamarthé - for large things that are wet like a march, swamp, bog etc.

then can give the endings to say what kind of large wet area

I really like the word tamarthé'cál for marsh.  I think that the language would use such a derivation and I think the elves would have seperatated a simple idea from a much grander one too.  (or maybe not )

[Arceon Barrurbeleth]

I have a proposition for the expression ''I am sorry'':

     iú'styrá'glásá - (I be grief)

also this could be used for ''I am sad''

And for the ''am'' (as in ''I am'')

 styré- (as an extraction from ''styrán'' (be)

[Falethas Whisperwind]

Although inventive, Arceon, your second proposition is not totally necessary.  You see, the am in ''I am'' is encompassed in the first person singular conjugation of the verb styrán, meaning 'to be.'  It is much like Spanish - you would not express the thought ''I am here'' by saying Yo [am] aquí because saying estoy aquí encompasses that 'am'.  The helping verb is not really necessary.  I'm not entirely sure I explained that as best I could; I am sure Anwulf II, being a more experienced philologist, can provide a clearer explication for you.

I do rather like the way that styré looks when typed out, though.  Perhaps we could find another use for it?

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