Age of the Chain

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Age of the Chain

« on: 09 April 2006, 06:49:00 »

I just finished watching V for Vendetta and Chronicles of Narnia. "What? So? Those Movies dont een have anything in common!!!" Pipe down, you! Your wrong anyways. They do have one thing in common- there is a dictatorship in both. I think an age of tyranny could be really cool in Santharia and inspire some amazing adventures on the RP board. Mabye it wouldnt happen anytime soon, but it could be cool eventualy. What do you think?


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« Reply #1 on: 10 April 2006, 01:41:00 »

That would cause a large breakdown of history but why not have it in small scale. Perhaps somewhere in an undeveloped kingdom. Perhaps something like a general who had absolute control of the military. He overthrew the king and took over the land with his absolute military control. A few years later the kings heir incites a rebellion and after acquirin aid from another country he would take over the capitol and undermine the military. I could just go rambling on and on but I wont


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« Reply #2 on: 10 April 2006, 04:58:00 »

YES! YES! But where? General Drizagal oif the Kuglmiz must find a sutible kingdom to dominate....


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« Reply #3 on: 10 April 2006, 05:40:00 »

Slowly , slowly, the timeline rework hasn't progressed this far...but there is surely a possbility for a time of a tyrannic king in the last 1500 years or far back in history, or at another place than Santhaia. But we need to work on the other stuff we started already first. (which is Santhros and the king after him and the current king, which I'm doing with others and his anchesters. And it will surely be a demanding and not so easy task. it is not just that you can write up three pages of a persons entry.

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« Reply #4 on: 10 April 2006, 08:36:00 »

Shouldn't we first put things down on a larger scale and decide the cource of the kingdom with it's ups and downs and all the historical turbulence?

Sometime soon we should make some decisions on the matter. I am talking about a general discussion in the forum where proposals would be contributed and then all of these compiled in a"realistic" course of events.

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« Reply #5 on: 10 April 2006, 10:13:00 »

Yes , and no. We did that to a part with the history around Santhros and his followers. But we don't have to lay down now all history for the last 1500 years. It doesn't really matter what happens between Santhros, his heirs , this Queen some generations later and Tiandor (the current king). We need to discuss the timeline on the boards, though it would be far better to do it at another Santhmoot , maybe even with those who cannot attend joining via skype... the boards are soooo slow.
But still I think we need to write down Santhros (and heirs) and Tiandor (and his father) first before we move on.
Maybe we should plan one day a Santhmoot without this much sightseeing (only every three days

) but a real workshop, where the discussion in the evenings are written down the next day and that we have some finished works after two weeks.


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« Reply #6 on: 11 April 2006, 05:41:00 »

I think we need some tyrannical kings. Santharia already has a lot of things in place that make it feel like too much of a happy place to live. It feels like half the tribes have women and men being equal. Now, I'm all about women's rights, but if we want to create a more "realistic" kind of place, I think we need some oppression--oppression, not just against women, but aganst certain races, tribes, and, of course, societal levels (peasants and whatnot). We have this sort of oppression today, in practically all of (what are considered to be) the most developed nations on earth! Why should Santharia be any different?

Even Santhros could have some flaws in his reign. Even the most beloved rulers has stains on their reign (Elizabeth and the Irish, for example). Note that it could be more the result of his advisors than him, though. (Speaking of Santhros, where's Aran? Is he suppose to be working on this?)

Come on, everyone! Let make Santharia a more miserable place to live!


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« Reply #7 on: 11 April 2006, 10:33:00 »

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Come on, everyone! Let make Santharia a more miserable place to live!

I'm no good judger of people, but I do wholeheartedly agree, even though you might have been kidding.

Talia, you propose construction which is fundamented on the bottom-up principle... but isn't a top-down method workable as well? It gives us a place to start. We need some 'issues' along those 1500 years, why don't start now. One king, ruling most likely no longer than a decade or five, won't cause major infractions on the big picture imHo (thanks Coren for this beautiful expression of internet symbolism

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« Reply #8 on: 12 April 2006, 02:04:00 »

Well the Kuglimz are a realistic tribe. They are oppresive as you would say.


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« Reply #9 on: 13 April 2006, 13:22:00 »

Yes. Yes. YES! Now there is no escaping tyranny! And destruction reined down upon the village, as the armys attacked the innocents! And death came and took and.... whoops. That was my shoulder devil typing. :evil


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« Reply #10 on: 14 April 2006, 02:38:00 »

Creating a timeline of kings without having -even a vague- idea of the social circumastances would be a failure. In times of turmoil kings reign for a very short time, months or a few years at best. A tyrannt could reign some more until a revolution breaks out. So, I think that creating a social evolution outline at first is imperative. Otherwise we could end up with the contradiction to have after a prolonged era of tyranny an era of liberty and wealth without a transitional period. Such anthiphasis' does not match the realism standards we have set for Santharia.

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« Reply #11 on: 14 April 2006, 09:14:00 »

I see your arguments, Curgan, but I'm generally and always afraid that with doing such great lines we are restricting us to follow these. If they are not fixed, so that a good idea could be brought in where they could be altered, that would be fine with me, but otherwise.. I would agree, if this line is only a working line which is a sticky in the South Sarvonian forum, but no fixed entry on the site!
I could well imaging working from both sides (Santhros and Tiandor) towards each other only, these times of changing can then be considered as well. Maybe a king/queen in-between would be manageable as well, but not much more, for it would get incredible difficult to bring all together later. It would be easier to fill out gaps (writing up king's entries) for the time before Santhros, or much earlier, for we have a history there already, and the dates could be shifted if necessary.

The Kuglimz - don't touch them, as long as Alysse can't intervene. For their society is currently not very repressive. Maybe in earlier times.

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It feels like half the tribes have women and men being equal

How that? Even the Shendar are not equal - as seen from the outside at least, the Sory'nyt have no men, with the former Sophronian the men had not many rights and the rest of Santharias tribes is clearly patriarchal structured. I set with the Himiko (well, I plan) a controverse tribe to the rest of the icetribes - but they have so many more people . The himiko will be truely equal, but from which tribe could you say this? Maybe from one of Coren's , but I can't recall this now, and they are not Santharia.

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« Reply #12 on: 17 April 2006, 01:10:00 »

I agree with Curgan. Basically follow the way it would be easy for someone to read it. When I was intrested in reading Ancient History I didnt start with a biography of Augustus Ceaser or with a complex essay book about the societal structure of ancient times. The good thing to start with was a very basic overview of the Sumerian Times and various stuff such as Sargon of Akkad and the founding of cities. The most mportant thing for me then was to remember the see-saw of power between Assyrians,Elamites and the Babylonians. I didnt read bios of Hammurabi or Sargon because I wouldnt understand what they talk about unless if I knew the basic history. The simple fact is that the history section in the compendium looks messy and it seems to me that musch has to be redone.


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« Reply #13 on: 17 April 2006, 10:26:00 »

Rizkul, your comparison doesn't fit, for we are not speaking of writing a history first or persons entries about kings, (or telling a given history) but how we plan to INVENT the general timeline of the last 1500 years. I think if we fix all history for this time, we cut our imagination short, for many good ideas come out of the moment.

I can"t agree, that what we have of history which is already on the site (before Santhros) is all a mess. It is complex, and onetime reading may not suffice to understand it, but it is better than nothing. The rework of the timeline somethings may have to be rewritten, but the general plot is fine. We don"t need much comparison what happened on which continent at which time either, for there was not much connection anyway ; and we are about to clarify this.


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« Reply #14 on: 20 April 2006, 06:54:00 »

In my point of view a timeline is not restricting, since -given a general timeframe- alterations can always be done. In fact I think it is better this way, because the change is checked by others defelopers for consistency.

It was really hard at my first time in the Dream, when I was very hesitant developing Centorauria, because I did not know the timeline and didn't want to mess things up. In fact, if I had the knowledge I have now five years ago, when things weren't so developed, Centoraurian history would be very different (and the history of the neightbouring kingdoms). It is very awkward for me that during the last 1000 years before Santhros the borders have not changed despite the numerous wars.

A timeline would fix things up IMHO, but that's a theoretical discussion after all.

Perhaps, discussing the subject during the next Santhmoot would be the best thing to do. If it is held during August I might make it...

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