Age of the Chain

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Re: Age of the Chain

« Reply #15 on: 22 April 2006, 14:24:00 »

You know, we should have two Santhmoots- One in the Americas and one in Europe. This would help the juvinile and financially-challenged members of the site to be able to actually mmet thier fellow dreamers. Just an idea!


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« Reply #16 on: 24 April 2006, 01:48:00 »

I still agree with Curgan because what you are saying Talia is that we should put in details of history before a solid basic timeline. The current history definitely is not complete. It has grammatical ,spelling and it dosent flow smoothly. A timeline will give us a good basic overview with details coming in later. The details can still be integrated as it will be built freely with room for devlopment. f.e:The age of the chain wont be able to be put in until we have more info on how it could have developed through a basic timeline. Therefore our timeline must be realistic so that there will be a cause somewhere along the long timeline for this event. Basically the timeline will be full of totally different things which will allow detail devlopment.


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« Reply #17 on: 24 April 2006, 06:31:00 »

As long as we don't fix it with writing an entry, but there is still room to change it, if it doesn't fit, I'm ok with it. A santhmoot would be the best time to do it - with some additional skype-connections. For otherwise it will take a decade, till we have done it..

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« Reply #18 on: 27 April 2006, 08:06:00 »

Well, I guess we won't get around an approach I'd call "milestone scheme". The basic history we have on the site so far was also pretty much developed that way (it just is quite outdated by now).

With milestones (regarding the Santharian Kindom history) I mean:

- define what events we definitely want to have, the biggest ones, e.g. reign of a king bordering on tyranny, a dispute about a heir, wars against other kingdoms, independence tendencies, murder of a king, the destruction of New-Santhala, a rebellion of half-orcs etc.
- collect these ideas in a Forum thread, it all stays in the Forum
- define more or less random dates, e.g. 522 murder of a king etc.
- let things sink in, let people think on it from their (tribe's perspective) etc., if problems arise or suggestions are given why which date should be move, move things
- elaborate more details on an event or two, maybe first captions only, then explanations in a sentence or two, then further expansions on that
- more historical dates will be added quite naturally to explain a development
- thus the framework should stand at some point and we can put this rough version up
- then entries can follow

What do you think?

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« Reply #19 on: 27 April 2006, 10:38:00 »

I like that set of ideas very much. I like to have a general idea of what is happening at what time and then come up with somethng that would happen because of it or a direct result of it. By having a general set if give a person something to think about. Then they can work with it or change it as the process is fleshed out. Anyway that is just my humble 2 sans.

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Re: Age of the Chain (warning, involved rambling)

« Reply #20 on: 27 April 2006, 16:34:00 »

I definitely support the 'Milestone' scheme, especially if it is developed in the 'Spiral' approach.

By which I mean that once we have the 'dots' of the milestones, RATHER than simply drawing straight 'lines' between them and saying "Here's Event A, at 250 and here's Event B at 350, a hundred years apart, and x, y, and z happened in between... and now that that's decided let's do the next hundred years and get to C...", INSTEAD we work from the top down to add in detail and fill in the spaces. It's a collaborative style and sounds more like this...

"Here's Event A at 250 and B at 350."
"Sounds good, Art! Then "X" (this big war I want to split up two tribes) probably happens just after A. And by the time of B the issues have been resolved..."
"Right, and that strong female ruler Talia wants could pull things together at about 270."
"Judy suggested making her a Chendesron to start off that line of nobility."
(Omitted: Several pages of polite discussion about noble lines, possible clans, and historical settings)
"Fine, then the Chendesron woman can come in later, say about 720. Mark that down on the Spiral as G."
"Let's name this one at 270 'Anthea of the House of Threan' and put in a short paragraph about her accomplishments. Can we leave it at that?"
"Sure! Ok, then by about 355 we should have a really good harvest throughout the kingdom and some years of prosperity."
"Right.... and then how about some raiders and increased piracy as a reaction a few years later?" ... etc. etc.

Later Rizkul looks over the History Spiral and thinks:
"I could write the ruling king's entry for the time around 250, because I have an idea for a weak king whose divisive policies could have contributed to the war "X"..." He comes up with a name, some further details about the war, and deepens the information available to us, filling in more details on the Spiral.

Another person really wants to do a full People entry on Anthea, based on the paragraph in the History Spiral, and uses one of our new artists' pictures to illustrate her.

Gean writes a little sea chanty which he thinks has suitably sinister underpinnings and inspires Thuja to write a short entry on the Coastal Corsairs, a group of privateers who pillaged from about 360 - 400 until disbanded forcibly by... er...

"Why, look, we don't have a ruler's name on the History Spiral for 400! Can we fit one in between the few that are mentioned? Yup, looks like we have lots of room. Let's call him... um... Archis the Iron-Gloved...and have him rule from 399 to 427. "

"So one of Archis's first acts was to build up the "XXX"ian navy and stamp out piracy along the coast, was it? Let's write that into the History Spiral."

"Done. Right, before I forget, Elendilwyn wanted to develop the weaving industry around the town of V and she suggested a date of about 982 for the town to have been founded. Any conflicts there? No? All in favour? Right, I'll let her know. ..."

And so on.


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Re: Age of the Chain (warning, involved rambling)

« Reply #21 on: 27 April 2006, 19:54:00 »

I do see an organising problem.. How should we post this? All are posting in one thread and one feels responsable for it and puts it in a kind of table which is located on the top of this thread? Or better, there is a thread for the "finished " product and one for the discussion - like I did it for my Cael-model.


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Re: Age of the Chain (warning, involved rambling)

« Reply #22 on: 27 April 2006, 22:34:00 »

For what it's worth, I'm in favour of using this method too. It seems to be the most practical for us. Having separate threads for presentation and discussion is probably better. The Caelereth discussion seems to be a lot neater than, say, the Ximax one.

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~Main Site•Development Board•RPG Board•Magic Forum~
~My Bell-ringing Thread~


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