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Trollish - new Troll vocabulary here!

« on: 21 September 2005, 06:17:00 »

Okay, here is the list of Troll words we have so far:

KLOH = Big, large, more, most, much, strong
SNI = Little, small, lesser, weak
GHANNAKH = Male Troll
GHOMOGH = Female Troll
GH = Being (untranslatable literally. Has the connotation of 'sentience' or 'living'. Animals and some plants can be described with the GH syllable.)
NAKH = Maleness (also male genitals, strength, energy, creating)
MOGH = Femaleness (also female genitals, encompassing, protecting, gathering)
KLOIGH = Mountain
SNIGH = Pebble
MESH = White
IGHMESH = Snow (lit. white stone)
HAMESH = Ice, quartz (literally, 'hard white')
GHEREGH = Cave, home, house, dwelling
MASH = Garment, cloth, covering
NAKHMASH = Loin-cloth
MOGHMASH = X-shaped wrap which covers/supports groin and breasts
MOSH = Animal
MOSHMOSH = Food
TRUL = Troll
TRULTRUL = Trolls, the race of Trolls, all trolls in a group, 'us'.
NIKH = Tree
UT = Clan, tribe, group
AAGHUT = War tribe
KLOIGHUT = Mountain Tribe
IGHMESHUT = Snow Tribe
IGHUT = Stone Tribe
NIKNIKUT = Forest Tribe
GHEREGHUT = Cave Tribe
HAMESHUT = Ice Tribe
SNITRUL = Human, Elf, Orc
SNISNITRUL = Dwarf, Brownie, other non-Troll small races.
SNIHUT = Human race, Elf race, etc. (used to address the race as a whole)
AAGH! = Attack!
KHEGH! = Beware, watch out!
EKH! = Stop!
LAGH = negative
MARGH! = Die! (also Death)
GRUMPH = Bite!
ZAGHAKHA = mmm, tasty, yummie
MARGHOGH = Night
KHOLEM = Day, Sun
KLOHMAGHI = Shaman (lit. great listener)
GHRUAGHKOL = inner fire
GHOAKOL = inner sight (lit. inner see!)

Pronounciation:
- "GH" is pronounced in a low and gutteral growl-like way, like the Dutch/german "ch". KH is pronounced VERY hard and VERY short, staccato so to speak.

Grammar: none except that plural words are the duplicate of the singular form, f.e. tree = NIK ; trees = NIKNIK


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« Reply #1 on: 21 September 2005, 11:47:00 »

Wow, you've been busy!

Erian must be thrilled to have all this help. Though languages aren't my strong point, you seem to have a talent for imagination and technical consistency in development which will be very useful to those of us doing linguistics. (BTW, I don't know if I said this or not, so, thanks for all the help and the work you did on the Orcen language. :thumbup

I had my hands pretty full at that point.)

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« Reply #2 on: 22 September 2005, 14:37:00 »

Awesome!

You've done the one thing I never could, as I'm horrible with languages.

Could you create trullish words for "banished" and "shaman"? The word for banished would be something that would convey the shame of a Troll living without his kindred, and it would be a word that Trolls rarely spoke. The word for shaman should be something to convey the Trolls' awe of the shaman. The beliefs section in the revision should clarify exactly what I mean about the Trolls' view on banished Trolls and shamans.

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« Reply #3 on: 22 September 2005, 15:37:00 »

hey Erian,
I looked it over and came up with the following words:

KHAMONEKHA = Banished (it is spoken as a long wail, prolonging the A's)
KLOHMAGHI = Shaman (lit. great listener)

Is this anywhere near what you wanted?

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« Reply #4 on: 22 September 2005, 15:51:00 »

Oh yeah, they're both great. :thumbup

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« Reply #5 on: 12 October 2005, 06:44:00 »

@Erian: "inner fire" , I had thought of the word GHRUAGHKOL where GHRUAGH means fire and KOL inner. How about it?

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« Reply #6 on: 12 October 2005, 06:49:00 »

Its great Ishy! :biggrin

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« Reply #7 on: 13 October 2005, 07:53:00 »

Hey Ishy, I need another word. :biggrin

How about a trollish word for Inner Sight? Basically, the idea is that shamans use their Inner Sight to view both the inner fires of other trolls and the spirits of the ancestors. Also, their gift of Inner Sight renders them blind.

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« Reply #8 on: 14 October 2005, 05:41:00 »

How about a word for "Club" or "Weapon"?


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« Reply #9 on: 14 October 2005, 07:40:00 »

Actually, Trolls don't use weapons and are not warlike. The only thing that could be said to resemble weapons are the trees and boulders that they will sometimes hurl. They find their claws to be sufficient for taking down prey (any attacks on human settlements are just that: trolls hunting) and a club would only hinder them as they ran (they run on all fours like wolves).

Thank you, Norkin, for that comment. I just realized that the entry on trolls mentions Cave Trolls trading hides for orcish weaponry, and this does not fit into the way trolls hunt. I'll change it so the trolls trade for precious stones instead (only the troll entry mentions them trading for orcish weaponry).

Basically, the concept of a weapon is foreign to them. They may see other races wielding them but would not understand the manner in which they are made. Also, they would consider the weapons to be weak since they cannot pierce a trollish hide.

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« Reply #10 on: 14 October 2005, 11:02:00 »

Erian, here it is: GHOAKOL (I'll edit the voc.) :thumbup

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« Reply #11 on: 14 October 2005, 11:09:00 »

This comment doesn't really belong here, but I would just like to comment on the orcs and trading thing. There's a short mention in the Gob-oc entry as well:

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To the south their only trade partner are trolls residing in the equally named mountains. Though they often ally on their raids it is unknown if the trolls have something worth to trade.

It doesn't mention weapons, but it does say it's not even sure they trade. It also mention helping in raids. This doesn't seem to fit with the not warlike thing.

And now that I think of it, there's a short mention of trolls in the Ban-Yuk Ogres entry as well, in case you missed it:

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There are no specific Ban-Yuk housings worth mentioning. Ban-Yuk sleep on the ground using rough materials or just rocks to lean up against for aid in sleeping. That is unless a cave is overthrown by an ogre and he defeats any trolls living within it. Then the ogre sleeps with shelter. Caves are kept strictly to one ogre. That would be the ogre who owns the cave. If any others challenge for the cave, they will have to take on the owner. Inside a cave is a set place for a fire to keep warm on cold nights. The circle is usually just a set amount of wood that is partially burned or ashes that have been set about. Other than that the cave is not really used to store anything, or do anything else but provide shelter for sleep at night.

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« Reply #12 on: 14 October 2005, 11:35:00 »

This comment also does not belong here.

Actually, I am aware of both references. The fact that the goblin entry does not mention them trading weapons is what makes that so easy to change in my own entry. Also, trolls may aid the goblins on raids without being warlike. The goblins would be the 'brains' of the operation, and they would have convinced the trolls to join them by stating that there will be humans (or whatever race they're raiding) to eat. Trolls also make raids on their own, but once again it is in the pursuit of food. (Really the closest way to a troll's heart is through his stomach. :lol

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Cave Trolls do live in the caves that the Ban-Yuk entry mentions, and it would be possible for an ogre to take a cave from a smaller band. (The entry on trolls states that bands can have up to thirty members, but there are smaller bands as well.) Cave Trolls are also the smallest of the Troll tribes and are not that much bigger than an ogre.

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« Reply #13 on: 11 December 2006, 02:23:39 »

i looked in the compedium for the troll language translation (Trullish) dictionary like they have in the Styrash to Tharian one, but i cant find a listing outside of the Troll Racial listing. So the October 2005 vocabulary is the last listing we have??

Reason why i'm wondering is since some tribes of trolls live in caves, and they seem to be primarily visual creatures combined of Earth and Fire but not able in many cases to verbalize this Inner Sight, i was wondering if Trolls had possibly crude horns or other musical instruments to communicate in the higher elevations (Snow Trolls, Mountain Trolls) to send messages between clans? I doubt they would have sophisticated music, for example you woudn't find a troll bard or troll Songmaster, but do you think it possible there are like Troll Drums??

At the bottom of the Troll Racial entry in the Compedium is another short vocabulary, but again no mention of music.

Anyway this was just an aside, i stumbled upon the Tree of Life origin myth cause i was comparing it to the concept of the Coor'hem Ember Tree etc.. and that is how i found myself in the troll entry.


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« Reply #14 on: 11 December 2006, 02:26:26 »

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i stumbled upon the Tree of Life origin myth cause i was comparing it to the concept of the Coor'hem Ember Tree etc.. and that is how i found myself in the troll entry.

I was about to say, you still have over 150 entries to read (if you still dont take my focusing-on-one-area advice)


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