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Santharian World Development => Magic in the Lands of Caelereth => Topic started by: xerampelinae deicida on 28 April 2006, 23:37:00



Title: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: xerampelinae deicida on 28 April 2006, 23:37:00
accidently started this discusion in the wrong forum so I moving it from this thread p223.ezboard.com/fsanthariafrm27.showMessage?topicID=127.topic To the magic forum  



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: so orril miesefer on 29 April 2006, 13:09:00
Hmmm... maybe with magnetism this could be posible, making the blade with a no magnetic material and the "Fist" with a magnetic material, but we need to see is magnetism is a property of what element.

What's my magic? My treasure. What's my God? My fredom. My law: the strenght and the wind. My mother country the skySo Orril Mis'fer, Sky master.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 29 April 2006, 13:37:00
I believe that the manipulation of metals and magnatism should be earth, as they both are directly involved with the element of earth and nothing else(other than forging for fire).

Reasoning:

Metal Manipulation:  Comes from rock(which is earth)  Also shares many of similar properties such as hates to move and all of its properties are most close to the those of earth.  Not fire because fire is just one means to force it to move.  Earth magic would be another.

Magnetism:  magnetism occurs because of the metal found buried in the earth.  Therefore the element closest to magnetism is earth.

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Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Silfer Darkflare on 29 April 2006, 15:47:00
The easiest way would be telekinesis, Wind.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: xerampelinae deicida on 30 April 2006, 14:14:00
I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of using magnetism was leaning towards telekinesis beacuase thats an already developed spell.

Problem with a non magnetic handle since this is a weapon it  would need to be made out of a material that can take a lot of abuse.

Second a metal glove is out of the question, since this is to be used by the Cor'hm elves and having them wear shiny things would go against their nature.  However a metal lined one might be do able.

Maybe if the manufacturing process had a handle core of metal wrapped in a ribbon made of feathers, then wrapped in black leather. The ribbon could be enchanted by a higher level mage before it was put on the handle then the handle could periodicly be reenchanted.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: so orril miesefer on 30 April 2006, 19:57:00
Common magnetite isn't shiny, is black. but heating it would destroy the magnetic field... unless the elves had a way to keep the magnetic field.

What's my magic? My treasure. What's my God? My freedom. My law? the strength and the wind. My mother country the sky So Orril Mis'fer, Sky master.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Mina on 30 April 2006, 23:20:00
You might want to reconsider this.  The coor'hem are very much a warrior tribe.  They pretty much have no magi, as far as I know.  A weapon designed to be drawn telekinetically would not be of much use to them.  

Also, the use of feathers as a reagent is a Ximaxian thing; other tribes, especially one as foreign as the coor'hem, probably won't use the same techniques.  Even if they used Ximaxian magic, having feathers sewn into gloves or attached to the weapon isn't automatically going to enhance the spell effect.  Ximaxian reagents are rather undeveloped at the moment, but the general idea is that they don't really do anything magical.  They only assist the mage in concentrating on the casting, I think by being in some way associated with the effect of the spell (eg. a feather is light, so it might be used in a spell that causes things to become lighter, by giving the mage an example of a light object).  Might be a good idea to start defining what reagents really do, come to think of it...




Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: xerampelinae deicida on 03 May 2006, 23:48:00
so orril
is right there are plenty of black metals

Mina
I was thinking a telekeneticly drawn weapon would work best for a warrior tribe because they would more likely to be in combat suddenly and being able to draw there weapon faster would make them more likely to live thru a fight

I thought reagents were something like chemical catalysts the Crll in the objects is right for certain reactions at higher levels a mage could rearange his own Crll to the form of the reagents.

atleast thats my theory.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Marvin Cerambit on 04 May 2006, 09:14:00
IMHO the concentration needed to pull of the spell would even out the time gained. I don't think you can pull your weapon much faster (if faster at all) by using magic. Training (and maybe an easy acces) would be far easier, less time consuming and equally effective (if not better).

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Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 04 May 2006, 12:42:00
This also goes back to what I said before.  If you have the ability to move your weapon, why not just send it hurtling at you enemy as it is much more effective or use your telekensis to attack him with another object.

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Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: so orril miesefer on 04 May 2006, 13:21:00
hehe... you understand me Drasil, magic isn't only for seeing it, is for using it, now I have a dev schedule full of attacks and defences.

I would like to rice this once more because we didn't decided what should be magnetism and IMHO is important.

My theory:

As air is wind influenced by earth, magnetism is earth ifluenced by wind, giving it the property of movement (To a middle age person, the magnetic pull would appear as an invisible force that MOVES things) This way we explain why magnetism is invisible, umbreakable, is present in stones that doesn't shine or reflect light (Remember, wind is transparency, so something influenced with wind wouldn't reflect light.) and is created by lightnings (Sure someone has felt the pull of the lightning as magnet because we can cast ligtnings to study them.)

We should do a table of things of influence of an element over another...  

What's my magic? My treasure. What's my God? My freedom. My law? the strength and the wind. My mother country the sky So Orril Mis'fer, Sky master.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 04 May 2006, 13:26:00
This has nothing to do with magnetism, instead it uses telekenisis orril

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Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: so orril miesefer on 04 May 2006, 13:45:00
I know, but don't want to be the thread necromancer to rise the Elemental property again.

What's my magic? My treasure. What's my God? My freedom. My law? the strength and the wind. My mother country the sky So Orril Mis'fer, Sky master.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Silfer Darkflare on 04 May 2006, 14:45:00
I am not sure we should define magnetism... as our system is not well enough fleshed out yet to define it well.

Orril, your definiton won't work. It does not explain why not everything is pulled by a magnet, nor why it pulls at all - movement in the object does not mage that object pull other objects to it.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 04 May 2006, 14:47:00
I thought she was getting the weapon using telekenisis, not magnetism.

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Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Silfer Darkflare on 04 May 2006, 14:49:00
Maybe - I was answering Orril, to avoid magical magnetism with a non-working explanation.



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 04 May 2006, 15:01:00
I don't believe magnetism can be attributed to any element as it sia combination of all.  It moves(magnetic poles reverse) so it can be considered fire or wind.  If flows in a dome like manner(water), yet it is caused because of earth and attracts objects of the earth.

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Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 04 May 2006, 15:41:00
The question is, do we have magnetism on Caelereth? ;)  

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Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 04 May 2006, 16:58:00
Well thats one way to get around it, yet i feel like I would be cheating :biggrin  

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Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: xerampelinae deicida on 04 May 2006, 19:13:00
I think we would deffinately have magnetism. On earth it was supposedly discovered in antiquity by Magnes according to Pliny the Elder in The Natural History  BOOK XXXVI. THE NATURAL HISTORY OF STONES. CHAP. 25.  



Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Twen Araerwen on 04 May 2006, 19:24:00
Quote:
The question is, do we have magnetism on Caelereth?
Well I would have to say we do .... as I did a search for the word "compass" and it brought up more than a few results (8 to be precise). Since a compass is based on magnetism I would have to answer with a resounding yes.;)    

P.S.: I would think the easiest way to draw a weapon with magic could be found within the element of wind. As it is the element of motion and moving the weapon from point A to point B requires movement. So I shall leave the specifics upto So Orri as he is the resident wind mage.

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Edited by: Twen  Araerwen  at: 5/4/06 3:30


Title: Re: Using magic to draw weapon?
Post by: Mina on 05 May 2006, 08:07:00
@Orril: Like Silfer said, your theory doesn't work.  Perhaps we could start a thread to discuss magnetism, but it might be better to wait a while first.  There are too many topics already, I think.  

@Talia: Well, that'd be one way to get around having to explain how magnetic compassess work on a disc-shaped world.  However, as Twen pointed out, we apparently do have compassess mentioned on the site.  We would have to address that somehow, either by altering those entries, or by finding some other ways to make compassess work (ie. not using magnetism).  

@Xera: My point wasn't about whether it might be quicker to draw a weapon using telekinesis or to do it manually, but the fact that only magi would be able to draw a weapon telekinetically.  In a tribe that has virtually no magi, a weapon that is designed to be used by magic users is going to be pretty useless.  

As for reagents, well, I did say that they are still really undeveloped.  They might end up being the magical equivilents of catalysts in chemical reactions, but we'll have to wait and see.  In any case, remember that catalysts only make reactions easier (which does also cause them to go faster), but they do not star the reactions themselves.