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Santharian World Development => The Santharian Library => Topic started by: Decipher Ziron on 26 July 2007, 03:22:36



Title: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 26 July 2007, 03:22:36
Idea I had...may at one point write the fable...Enjoy!!!



Herool’s Prowl

‘Herool’s Prowl’ is a song/poem recited by many Zhunite children. It relates to the story of Herool, a huge fabled Seawyrm which had the ability to talk telepathically to his victims before luring them into his trap. In the tale he would lure swimming children to a hidden place with promises of treasure, and would devour them. It is supposed to teach children the importance of suspicion and to forget your own greed. It is also, more blatantly, a warning of the children to avoid the dangers of the coast, Seawyrm or otherwise...

Herool, Herool,
You hear his song,
Herool, Herool,
So sweet and long,

Herool, Herool,
Tells you his lies,
Herool, Herool,
The follower dies,

Herool, Herool,
Ignore the beast,
Herool, Herool,
Forget his treats,

Herool, Herool,
Forget your greed,
Herool, Herool,
Retreat with great speed,

Herool, Herool,
You think you’re a winner,
Herool, Herool,
Has made you his dinner,

Herool, Herool,
You hear his song,
Herool, Herool,
So sweet and Long,


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Arceon Barrurbeleth on 26 July 2007, 03:40:03
Very interesting song Decipher, but I noticed something:

Quote
Herool, Herool,
Forget your greed,
Herool, Herool,
Retreat with great speed,

Although I'm not a poet, I noticed that this last line breaks the rythm

He-rool, He-rool,
For-get your greed,
He-rool, He-rool,
Re-treat with great speed.

So we have 4 in the first line, 4 in the second line and 4 in the third line, but the fourth line has 5. You can shorten the line by using different words or shorten some words, as I said I'm no poet but...


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 26 July 2007, 03:40:28
Ooops...Now I read it aloud I see that 'with great speed' ruins flow....*edits*


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 26 July 2007, 03:54:27
Thanks Arceon...you were correct...not to sound ...whats the word...pretentious?...but I would say this has very few flaws so would it be possible for this to be blarrowed quickly?

*realises 'Blarrowed' should be a dev slang term for 'marked for intergration'*

Please note- Decipher is not a poetry expert, so there probably are errors...please dont miss interpret his proactivity as arrogance....


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 26 July 2007, 03:57:34
It is supposed to teach children the importance of suspicion and to forget your own greed.


as well as making sure they dont go off exploring dangerous places.. the coast can be prettyt hazardous for children...


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 26 July 2007, 04:08:16
will add Mira...


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 26 July 2007, 22:23:20
*attempts to bump this up to people's attention*


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Gean Firefeet on 27 July 2007, 02:28:59
Hey Decipher! I like the idea very much, a fine addition to the project I think. I was thinking that I might write some music to bring the song more alive, in fact, as soon as I wrote the line I've started off and I hope to present it to you within two hours as I really have to make dinner (I feel famished), but afterwards I'll finish up, I just have to finish my accompagniment.

Note that as soon as I started composing the music, the first and final verses gave me some troubles, because the second and fourth line lack the first syllable present in all the other verses. Therefore, I propose to change these two, for example.

Now hear his song
Ye hear his song

So sweet and long

Music soon to follow (I really hope you like), but first... foooooood!


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 27 July 2007, 02:35:50
Thank you Gean! I think that is a great idea...

I added a 'you' rather than a 'ye' since this feels more...sarvonian?....I find it hard to imagine Zhunites commonly using it as part of their slang....

Otherwise the rythym is fine?

*anticipates the composition...but waits for Gean to satiate his mortal hunger*


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Gean Firefeet on 27 July 2007, 04:32:40
Argh, that will of course happen right now  :buck: . My webspace is inaccessible, so I can't upload the music... at least, not to there, but I've asked our dear Sage to upload the file and post a link to it here, so it should be up within the next 24-hours, probably soon. Stay tuned ;)


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 27 July 2007, 04:38:25
Nice Deci!  Much better than your last.

"Practice makes perfect."  :D


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 27 July 2007, 04:55:33
Okeydokey, and here I am already with the musical piece Gean has produced to go with Herool’s Prowl :)

Download it here:
Herool's Prowl (http://stuff.santharia.com/gean/herool.mp3) (2:11 minutes, 2 MB)

I like both, the poem/song Decipher wrote and Gean's interpretation of it! Woo-hooo!!! Hope you enjoy as well :D


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 27 July 2007, 05:06:17
Verry nice work, both of you!


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Gean Firefeet on 27 July 2007, 05:06:49
A tiny explanation of my interpretation for Decipher:
The oboe part is ment as the singer's voice. It follows the text almost literally. Here and there at the end of the line, an extra 'vowl' is added, for example at the end of first verse.
I've created two melodies for the verses, so that it won't becoming boring to here the same thing six times. 1,3,4 and six have the same melody, as do 2 and 5. Furthermore you can here added pre- and postludia and interludia (the accompagniment without voice before, after and in between the 'vocal' parts.).

Now that I hear again, I think it needs a bit more tempo, but for now I'm awaiting your comments first.


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 27 July 2007, 05:17:18
Now that you mention it, Gean, a bit more tempo could indeed be beneficial I think. You've made the "Dusk is here" lullaby in a similar tempo I guess, so Herool leans a bit on this side and that effect could be avoided somewhat with more tempo. But that's just an observation from my side.


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 28 July 2007, 02:00:17
I like it alot Gean!

However, I do think that it might be a good idea to increase the tempo...since this is a little like a 'ring around the roses' for the Zhunite people...and the more smooth nature of it makes it appear as for a different purpose...

Very nice and I am glad you chose my work to compose for!


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 29 July 2007, 04:20:00
A new version with more tempo has just been uploaded (same link as above, so click there).

It has definitely lost some of its lullaby connotations, though I'm not sure if it is now less smooth as Deci seems to imply. Maybe a bit more "sharpness" could be still added, more drama? As the text should have the effect of scaring children away from the sea, reminding them to avoid the dangers of the coast - so some of that tone could perhaps be implemented? - But I guess we'll have to wait for Deci to return after his vacations to get some direct input from him.


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 01 August 2007, 23:28:09
Here's the latest version now Gean sent me:

Download it here (right-click and Save As...):
Herool's Prowl (http://stuff.santharia.com/gean/herool2.mp3)

It is louder now, speedier and with more instruments added :) - Just had to post this quickly as I'll have to leave to stay the rest of the week at my parents! Comments later!


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 07 August 2007, 05:17:44
Ok, comments finally on the piece: The changes definitely were made in the right direction, Gean, very good! I especially like how it is very much reminding of true medieval music the way we heard it at the Landshut festival. This piece could have come right from these guys. Volume is perfect now as well. :)

There's one problem with the piece, though: At 0:45 there start disturbances that continue with 1:11. Do you have that as well? Seems it is part of the file! - But aside from that I guess it's a really wonderful piece of music!  :cool:


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 07 August 2007, 05:29:12
well, chalk that one up for a festival favorite...sounds great Gean


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 12 August 2007, 17:33:19
This poem will be integrated as well at this week's update, Decipher - not yet the musical version Gean made, here we still need to wait for further comments on your side. A new version has been made in the meantime (see above), but Gean at the moment is on vacation in London, so it will last a while till he gets back.


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 12 August 2007, 19:44:18
Double Entry Upload...tis good...


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Gean Firefeet on 07 July 2008, 15:01:54
*kicks thread up*

I believe the music here never made it unto the website. I'd like to take another look at before we include it in the next update, some things can be adjusted with my new music software.


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 07 July 2008, 15:10:17
That's lovely, Gean (maybe too lovely;) ). But as Art pointed out, there is something different in he second part, are these disturbancies?


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 07 July 2008, 20:04:08
This reminds me I was going to make some sort of Sea Serpent for Zhunite shores- Hmmm.....



Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 08 July 2008, 02:04:01
Yeah, hope you can fix these disturbances, then this is a lovely piece :)

It has a medieval castle ambience character I think, so I consider it also for the Lorehold background music. It's not too dominant/obtrusive, so it could work pretty well for that. :D - Especially if we play it alternately with the other piece we already have, some variety would be good!


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Gean Firefeet on 09 July 2008, 23:00:42
Feel free to use it in that way, I'd be honoured if it would function aside Macar's elegant Lorehold Theme.

The new adapted file, now with working snare drum instead of the vague distortion you were all hearing and some other minor changes. Herool's Prowl v3.0 (http://www.soundupload.com/audio/1nl1vd3243hry1hz)


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 July 2008, 23:55:01
So where's Decipher to praise ths latest (final, I guess) version of the Heroo's Prowl song? Just got to it myself due to some hectical days here helping out a friend... Another delightful piece, which makes it your second if it goes into this week's update, Gean! No problems anymore concerning noise and stuff, and as I said already last time - it has a very distinct medieval ring to it, lovely work :)

I'd be happy to use it for the Lorehold as well!  :thumbup:

P.S. Great to see you around more often lately, Gean, lots of music is being made recently, wonderful to observe and an enjoyment to listen to all of those pieces!


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Gean Firefeet on 12 July 2008, 05:49:57
I hope I can stay active, if only a little, the coming weeks. I do so enjoy being around here. But not next week, as I'll be visiting... Istanbul. Which reminds me I have to write Coren a message ;-) Over and out!


Title: Re: Herool’s Prowl
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 14 July 2008, 07:35:55
*gives belated praise*