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Title: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 18 January 2008, 18:09:43
I've thought about what to realize next with Santhworld, or more precisely: What I should add from the programming point of view that would be useful as a first step in more complex things to come and can as well exist as an entertaining standalone thing. This led me to the trivia system.

Maybe you remember that we already planned a while ago to introduce quizzes in Santharia that could be member made. The problem was that there was no secure Java/PHP-Script for that. Such trivia quizzes usually look that way: There are several questions which you have to work through. You get questions presented, one after the other, ideally you see a picture related to it and then have multiple choices to select the right answer. After 10 questions or so the quiz is over and you get your score presented, sometime also with an evaluation how well you fared (1-3=loser, 9-10=hero etc.). The correct answers could be either shown after the quiz or after you have answered each question by telling you whether you were right or wrong.

All these things seem to be realizable with not too much effort with Santhworld. At least I have the complete concept already in my head, so I will try to work on that next.

Such trivia quizzes will be available in an own module and by selecting a specific keyword/topic you'll get to the trivia of your choice (e.g. Bestiary, Herbarium, People, Places, Fun Stuff etc.). For starters I will realize a simple consecutive questions quiz, which means that there are, say, 10 questions predefined, and they are presented always in the same order.

The key expansion will then be to create a pool of questions, let's say of 50, and the program allows you to take a quiz of 5, 10, 15 etc. questions by selecting randomly from any of the questions in the pool and make an individual quiz for you. The pool can be constantly expanded of course (without any costs regarding resources), and thus the whole thing can grow naturally as we go along and get some more ideas to add. :) - What do you think?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Irid alMenie on 18 January 2008, 18:41:06
I think it sounds wonderful! An idea for the rankings: 0-3: peasant, 3-6: citizen, 6-9: adventurer, 9-10: hero. I hardly need to add that this is just a suggestion and that any other/better suggestions are welcome :P


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 18 January 2008, 23:43:06
How do you envision these questions being formatted?  Like so? (blinks innocently)


What colour range is represented by the allia blossom?
a) pink
b) blue
c) purple
d) red

Artimidor Federkiel's officially-granted title of honour is:
a) Weavemaster
b) Sage
c) Page
d) Scholar

The Barsa Fish is most commonly used for its:
a) meat
b) oil
c) scales
d) bones

The gnome Nolan is well-known for producing:
a) hot kao-kao
b) R'unorian Brandy
c) cheese
d) svaq

Which of these is a popular Santharian tavern snack?
a) Aj'Nuvic
b) Sunseeds
c) Groshmite
d) Falserock

He was a famous ruler who united four kingdoms:
a) Thar
b) Thalambath
c) Tribel
d) Turik

 Cár'áll can best be defined as:
a) a beautiful elven ruler
b) the substance of life
c) a dapple-pelted wild cat
d) a forest on the eastern coast



Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 January 2008, 00:18:20
Yes, something like that, indeed... :) As far as the rankings I first need to get, as I need to program it first so that I can wrap a quiz up properly, and for that I need to be able to tell Santhworld how to set and reset scores and the like. This will also be useful in other modules of course.

A few things for now:

- I plan to start with a topic specific trivia, so we should select something. Maybe we should first go with a Bestiary trivia as we have a lot there. If anyone has good questions in this regard, let me know.

- The best effect of course is reached if each question can be accompanied by a picture. So especially for a first quiz I would favour questions that have pictures.

- And finally: If you put up questions, ideally mention the answer as well. Perfect would be to have short explainations for the "Correct" or "Incorrect" screen - these little snippets of information are valuable as they really explain something Santharian to the one making the test. For example:

You are correct!

The Erpheronian Thar the Great indeed was the ruler of a gigantic realm that comprised an area of four former kingdoms of Southern Sarvonia, namely Erpheronia, Centorauria, Caltharia and Kyrania. The realms were united in 492 b.S. forming the Kingdom of "Thariania", named after its founder.

Ah, that was wrong...

Master Tribell was quite a famous person, alas not a king as you thought. He lived from 1240 until 1315 a.S. and is known as the Great Santharian Story-Teller. The former acrobat and member of a joined a traveling troupe collected endless folk-tales, fairy-tales, fables and the like, which were published in the book "Master Trbell's Miraculous Narrations" shortly after his death. Since then his tremendous work is in the heart and minds of Santharian children and adults alike.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 19 January 2008, 03:17:24
Better?


If someone asks you what 'Oloy' means, you would confidently answer:

a) a type of pea-like vegetable
b) a sleek water-dwelling animal
c) a verb meaning to melt or forge two metals together
d) a soothing ointment



a)  Sorry, no - you must have been thinking of the Oya Pea.  It's a legume which while prickly and unattractive on the outside, can be used to make a number of useful and nutritious foodstuffs, from the almost meat-like 'Oyoosh jelly' to the salty black dwarven condiment 'Moorgall'.

b) Correct!  This sleek Nybelmarnian otter is known as the Oloy to most, a simpler form of the mermish name "Oolboïéabey".  Frequenting the Drifting Woods of Nybelmar, it is an amazing diver with an excellent sense of smell.  It is rarely spotted above-water by humans, but most of those sightings occur when the Oloy is devouring its prey - the silvery fish that are profusely found in the dark waters of the Drifting woods.

c) Incorrect.  Possibly you misheard 'Alloy' instead of 'Oloy'?  The dwarves of Sarvonia are excellent at forging the various minerals and ores found on their continent: most common are iron ( in its black, blue, grey, and red variants), tin, lead, copper, silver, and gold.  The beautiful ores  aurium and ithildin, fyrite and herne, and malthanune are rarer but still used frequently, while the precious mithril is no longer known to be actively mined anywhere within Caelereth.   Brass, bronze, steel, pewter and other alloys have been worked for the past several thousand years.

d) Incorrect.  While the Jeshanna Ointment, made from the lily of that name, the Yahrle Cream (made from the wayside herb also known as Staunchweed), and the 'Brandi's' invented by Dalmac Brandivere, are all common medications known across Santharia, and do allay the pain of burns, cuts, rashes, and other household injuries, there exists no 'Oloy' Ointment at this time. 


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 January 2008, 03:34:08
Yep - that's perfect, Judy! :thumbup: Now let's see how much I can manage on the technical side this weekend! :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 20 January 2008, 04:54:30
Trivia is well on its way :) I can increase, decrease, reset and output a score in the meantime, have integrated a bunch of standard pics that fit nicely into the module, and in general have a system in place that allows me to execute code during program runtime (e.g. preparing consecutive random questions). Now I only need to interpret that properly upon output and the technical side of the trivia is completed. So that should be possible to handle tomorrow.

What I still need of course are a bunch of further questions similar to Judy's example, as a quiz of one question is a bit meager...  :grin: - The more the merrier!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Irid alMenie on 20 January 2008, 05:01:57
So, Bestiary questions to begin with? I'll see if I can get some questions together ^.^

edit: This picture, does it come in when asking the question or giving the answer? Or both?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 20 January 2008, 05:12:50
I like the One Question Quiz... Maybe by the fourth time I take it, I might pass :D

Very nice Idea, Art.  Something like this could conceivably be used on the main page to entice newcomers.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 20 January 2008, 05:13:59
I would have to say - the answer - otherwise you could rather easily tell whether an Oloy was a process, a food, or an animal, eh?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 20 January 2008, 16:42:16
Yeah, in this quiz it should be always the answer where the picture is displayed in order to keep it consistent. We've started that way. It can be the other way round in different quizzes of course - you get a picture and a question related to it.

At the moment I have only a "Thinking..." picture (displayed when the question is asked) and an "Oh no"-picture to go with a wrong answer, so it's perfect to have the right answer picture displayed instead of a standard "Oh yes" pic. So I still need to find something for that.

P.S. The system on how the trivia works can of course also be used in Santhworld adventures, for example to ensure that someone solves a lever riddle and pulls levers or presses buttons in the correct order. If the "score" of the selections the player makes is identical with the asked "questions", then the puzzle is solved and the player can progress to a new location etc.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 20 January 2008, 18:55:51
Basic functions now working :) Expect a demo with a few questions later today!

I will add in the Drasil and the Fuzzle Mouse, so in case you want to provide a question or two as well, these two I'll do.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 20 January 2008, 23:36:28
Drasil:

a) to remove old varnish
b) a well-known scholar and developer on the Dev Board
c) a semi-sentient tree
d) a wrestling technique

:) :) :) :) :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 20 January 2008, 23:43:06
So is it b) or c)? :) Anyway, I've done that one already :P - Oh, and I managed to pull of the evaluation as well (you get a score and a trivia rank once you're done), so the technical side is completed for now! :D (Except the randomization of questions, which nevertheless is 80% prepared. Only need more questions so that one makes sense.)

Now let's see if I can add in some more questions, and we'll be ready for a little quiz soon!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 21 January 2008, 02:31:54
Whoo-hooo!  I have just gotten home from church: I've been invited to a birthday party at 3:00  this afternoon, then I'm over at a neighbor's place this evening.... but I hope to contribute a few questions yet myself... :)

Bravo for the 'behind-the-scenes' technical work, Art, which is so unglamorous but so essential.  I can see and appreciate the applications of all the various programs you've written over the years for Santharia - unsung genius!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 21 January 2008, 03:53:54
Hope you've had/have a great time, Judy :) - It sure must feel great to be at home again after quite a while and meet some old friends! - Oh, and thanks for the flowers!

The results of my weekend work can be now be viewed when you enter Santhworld (http://www.santharia.com/santhworld/santhworld.htm) and type in GOTO TRIVIA. You'll end up in the new Trivia module that at the moment features just one quiz with 5 questions. It is planned to add more later, also to add e.g. different ones with varying difficulty levels per section. Well, just have a look. Some more additional questions at the first quiz would be cool :)

Try to make that quiz, and see what graphics you get for a "Yes" and a "No" for example. At the end you get an evaluation with a "Trivia Rank". If we have more questions and more suggestions we could add further ranks here with humorous explanations.

BTW: The new system allows also to make other things that aren't directly quizzes but use a point system. For example there could be a test "What Santharian race am I?" (I guess you know these things), then you get, say 3 answers, and if you choose A you get 3 points, B means 2 points and C 1. Once the questions are over we can evaluate the score, just like in a regular quiz. So you see, there are a bunch of options now available with this new addition.

Let me know what you think!  :cool:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 21 January 2008, 07:52:16
Woohoo!

I scored 4 out of 5 on the test.  Fun, and good questions too, nothing too easy.
So if we want to submit future test ideas, should we PM you, Art, so that people can't get the answers from this forum?  What do you suggest for that?


Alysse


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 21 January 2008, 16:00:40
4/5? Not that bad, Alysse... If you aren't a pro you might have difficulties with some questions, but that makes it fun... :D

To keep up the fun questions and answers ideally shouldn't be discussed here first, indeed. So yes, send them to me directly I'd suggest :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 21 January 2008, 23:17:15
Woot! 5/5!

Although i had to think a long time on the two-tails question *wipes sweat*


edit-> I'm compiling a herbarium quiz.. ge, its a lot of work to come up with good answers for every option!

Oh, and Art, i assume i can write my own "x/x" messages for the eventual outcome as well?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 22 January 2008, 05:00:07
Congrats on a perfect score, Mira :) And: Woo-hooo, a Herbarium quiz is coming! And yes, Mira, you can be fully creative on what you write in your answer texts or in your Santharian ranks. :D

BTW: Alysse already made a Northern Sarvonia quiz. I have 5 questions plus answers already, so I'll see to put them up as soon as I can... We can still add more over time, around 10 questions should be perfect. - BTW, Alysse: You can also write your own Santharian ranks if you want. :thumbup: - Thanks for the great quiz!

Only problem I have at the moment is - as has been mentioned - that I don't have a picture for general OK answers where the solution isn't illustrated. If someone knows what to put there, let me know!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 22 January 2008, 05:08:27
No idea.. right now i'm just picking target entries based on whether they are illustrated or not, to avoid the problem..


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 24 January 2008, 05:45:35
Okeydokey, a little update here Alysse's quiz is halfway prepared by now - 4 out of 8 questions are done completely, it will contain 3 questions pictures and once you start a Places quiz you get a Places pic as well. Once you enter such a category you now get a short list of all the possible quizzes for that category (one so far in Bestiary and one in Places), and from that you can then choose. Listed there is also the author of the quiz, the amount of questions and the difficulty level. And the way it is not set up we're ready for more... :D

Plus I've now chosen a general picture for a correct answer - Eratin's "Magical Bag" pic shows an elven lady enjoying spring, so I thought that's perfectly fine for a "Yippier, correct answer!" image... Plus I have dug up as well a second "Thinking..." pic, Quellion's "Tree Whispers" elf, which will be displayed at Alysse's quiz instead of the elf. So we now have a nice variety of pics, and of course a bunch of interesting questions... Stay tuned, the Northern Sarvonian quiz is definitely ready at the next update, also with own Northern Sarvonian ranking texts which Alysse provided as well!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 24 January 2008, 06:01:16
Hmm.. I better not fail that one.... not that I failed the first one.... by much..... :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 24 January 2008, 06:05:05
Well, we need test persons that get e.g. 1 out of 5 points so that we can see if the Peasant joke I've put in there at the evaluation comes across. So I'm sure if you fail it's for a good cause, Altario...  :evil:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 24 January 2008, 06:19:49
pfft... I was twice as smart as that.. I  gotta 2...  :shocked:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 24 January 2008, 06:22:35
But with 2 points you still go to be a Peasant, so thanks for checking that possibility of the outcome as well! :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 24 January 2008, 06:25:40
I can safely confirm that your Peasant joke works.  Not only that, but posing as a complete ignoramus of Santharian beasts, I am probably in danger of being trompled by a... well, never mind, won't spoil that for anyone else...  :)   Bravo!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 24 January 2008, 06:26:50
Yes, I was a peasant... actually, it took three times before I got a perfect score... I'm glad the answers arent given.. keeping those questions viable once the pool gets bigger, and people want to take the test over again


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 24 January 2008, 06:32:37
Art, can the quizzes be placed inside the Lorehold madules once they are completed? They could function as "locks", giving certain hidden keywords upon completing a quiz to a certain degree which enables certain conversations, triggers, or rewards in the game.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 24 January 2008, 06:44:00
Yes, sure, Mira... It's the same thing as with the lever thingy I explained above:

Someone might ask the player e.g. to read about something in the Lorehold, and if the player feels proficient he should return. Then the character asks e.g. 3 questions and if ok, the player can proceed. These 3 questions could eventually be choosen from a question pool, e.g. the character has 10 questions available, but only asks 3. If the player talks wants to take that "quiz" he might always get different answers. - So yup, you can be pretty creative on how to use this system :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 24 January 2008, 07:11:53
*has several ideas incorporating a quiz, a gardener, and a keyword to acces the locked greenhouse*


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 24 January 2008, 09:11:27
OK, Art, I have just PMed you a list of questions which you can file under 'Gaulimaufrey', or 'Miscellaneous' Trivia.  I think you - and hopefully others - will enjoy them, even if they get the answers incorrect!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 24 January 2008, 09:41:12
So are you going to score the test out of eight or shall I come up with two more questions so you can score the test out of ten?

Rather than come up with ten ranks (!), I'd set it up this way:

2 or less out of 10--lowest rank
3 or 4 out of 10--level 2
5 or 6 out of 10--level 3
7 or 8 out of ten--level 4
9 or 10 out of ten--top rank

It's no problem to come up with two more--it'll just take a bit of researching to find answers with pictures.

Alysse




Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 24 January 2008, 10:48:42
Art:  NB regarding my PM to you with Misc. questions!  Note that there ARE pictures for each question; however, to keep things interesting, there may be pictures for some of the 'wrong' answers, not just the right ones.  If the idea is to get people interested or more familiar with Santharia, then the goal (simply getting a '5' or a '10', say) won't be nearly as important as enjoying the process of taking the quiz itself...

Along those lines, I like your little 'titles' that you've assigned, and the commentary that one receives on finishing.  Even getting zero is hilarious when you get stood in the corner with such a scolding from our sage!  :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 24 January 2008, 16:02:27
@Alysse: Yeah, you can provide two more questions if you like (ideally with pics as we have a 5:3 ratio at the moment). I guess we shouldn't do more than 10 for one quiz however (we can always do seperate quizzes for different topics), 10 is a number for one quiz.

More answers later! Need to work something :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 24 January 2008, 22:27:03
If you want more Misc. trivia to make up ten questions, just ask - although today I'm travelling from my mother's house where I've been so comfortably ensconced to Bryan's parents' place, so am in transit.   Let's hope the weather cooperates while we're on the road; it's been cold and snowy the last little while!

I can also make sure that the extra Misc. have pictures for each as well.  Let me know!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 24 January 2008, 22:55:44
Fot this week's update I guess I have my hands full already, so I can finish Alysse's quiz, but can't get to the Misc. quiz yet. So there's no need to get stressed at the moment, but for the next update the Misc. quiz would be great to have :) Pictures preferred of course :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 25 January 2008, 04:22:06
Thanks for the questions you PMed, Judy, this is already a brilliant start to get a Misc. quiz under way! :D More are of course welcome - and perhaps in case you have some custom titles with some humorous lines that would make things perfect!

Concerning pictures: The best way I think is to always try to reward an answer with a new picture. If we'd show pictures as well for a wrong answer, then the player gets some sort of a reward for something he/she didn't really earn... Plus, if we only show pictures at the correct answers then they can be used at other questions and always are something new to the player methinks :)

Okeydokey, I've prepared now 8 question in Alysse's quiz and will wait for the final 2 to complete the quiz - and then I'll put it up, right in time for the update I hope :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 26 January 2008, 19:29:07
Ok, Alysse's quiz is now available in the Trivia module! 10 questions, customized ranks (I added some more humourous stuff to those, Alysse, hope you like it!), definitely a quiz that requires some brains here and there, so I've categorized it as "hard" - but maybe you prove that it is actually way too easy... :lol:

Accessible from a link near you, GOTO TRIVIA, then select PLACES. - Have fun and let me know if you discover anything wrong! - Great work, Alysse, very entertaining trivia! :thumbup:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 31 January 2008, 13:07:47
The quiz works perfectly--I let my kids and my husband do it too--and my 10-year-old son was quite pleased that he scored higher than his dad.  He wanted to do "more quizzes about Santharia!" and was happy to hear that Aunt Judy will have one up there soon.

There is one small problem--at the end of the quiz, it says "And this concludes the Bestiary trivia quiz" (or something like that) when it should be "the Northlands trivia quiz".  Just a minor detail.

BTW, it seems to be set up so that you can have multiple quiz sets under one heading.  With that in mind--do you want more Bestiary quizzes?  Maybe specific ones, such as a Dragon Quiz, an Insects quiz, a Fish Quiz, etc.?  And then you could call the first one a General Knowledge quiz and have several specific ones.

Maybe we should set up some racial specific quizzes too:  Orc, Hobbit, Elven, Dwarfl etc. knowledge quizzes would be fun, with the various specialists in each area being invited to write the questions.  I (or Rakshiri if he's around these days) could do stuff for the Orc quiz.

Another idea might be quizzes pulled from the Babetales and Bedtime stories books in the Lorehold.  You, know, like "What was the name of the first Rim-runner?"  sort of thing.  And that could unlock something you need for a quest.

So many ideas, so little time!  Anyway, maybe if people want to do a quiz set, they could look at this post for some suggestions, if this is the kind of thing you want.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 31 January 2008, 16:06:31
Ah, ok - need to fix that Bestiary mentioning at the end. Was copied from there and then adjusted, obviously I missed something...

Multiple quiz sets under one heading are now possible. I adjusted it that way so that you can enter a category and that you can find a selection of various specific ones, yup. As you say: A dragon quiz would be neat for example (there we also have lots of illustrations), or a races quiz. Even Babetales quizzes would add to the diversity of what we can offer :) - Also an idea is some sort of funny quizzes, which aren't meant to be taken seriously. So any creative kind of quiz if welcome!  :cool:

On your other question you asked via PM, Alysse, regarding the implementation of music: Yeah, Flash supports playing MP3 files, and if you have a fast connection a music can play in reasonable time if I start it. We need to bne aware however that triggering a large MP3 file would be a killer for a slow connection - so you would at least have to have an option to turn off a background music when you play, or only let them play when you specifically click on a link to hear something.

I haven't figured it out yet how to do it best, but I think about it how it can be achieved. Music, be it a vocal addition when you encounter a person or background music if you go through a module, is incredible effective. Playing for example the started Nepris module with Valeptus' Nepris music in the background is very atmospheric, even if it costs a good deal of download resources... - I have to investigate further what options we have here.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 01 February 2008, 04:12:44
Thanks for your prompt responses, Art; you're such a gentleman!   :hug:

The addition of music would be great, and we have so many pieces, I'm sure we could integrate them most places.  It would be fun to pick some of the instrumental pieces as background music for some of the Lorehold rooms.   And perhaps we could coax a bard or two into playing us a song, or singing something. 

Anyway, I'll see what I can do about working out some new quiz questions, and finishing the Icemutes, and oh, yeah, mustn't forget RL obligations either... (wanders off mumbling distractedly to herself)

Alysse


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 02 February 2008, 16:50:05
Just received another quiz by Alysse, this time about Santharian Insects. Will have 5 questions, 4 of them are illustrated. I guess this one isn't that difficult if you know your way around Santharia's Bestiary, let's say difficulty "moderate". I'll see to integrate it within the next days.

The text at the end of the Northlands quiz was also fixed and I have Judy's 5 Misc. questions as well. So if we can conclude that one we'll have 2 more :)

P.S. The Trivia Project is now also easily accessible from the left side Projects menu.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 03 February 2008, 04:03:37
Ok, I have received the ranks for Judy's 5 question Misc. quiz by now, and Miraran has sent me 5 questions for a Herbarium quiz as well. So it looks as if we're getting three quizzes on the site soon...

I will have to add one after the other, so I'll integrate quizzes in the way the questions arrived: first Judy's, then Alysse's, then Mira's. :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 07 February 2008, 15:51:33
Also got a 5 questions quiz from Alysse on orcs, so my list of stuff to integrate grows longer and longer!  :grin:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 09 February 2008, 17:19:38
Ok, next one is in the works, a Misc. quiz by Judy - to be available soon in a Forum near you.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 09 February 2008, 18:43:48
Ok guys - test your skills of knowing Miscellaneous stuff... Judy's 5-question quiz is up (4 pics used), available as usually via GOTO TRIVIA, then MISC. - Have fun!

More Santhworld stuff should be uploaded still during this weekend, though I also plan to start my ghost-story finally these days.

P.S. Maybe to have some variety we should also try a very easy quiz at some point, so that newcomers to Santharia can also get a sense of achievement despite the fact that they are new to our world.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 10 February 2008, 01:27:54
Great quiz!  I got 4/5 again,  only missed the first one (I won't say what it is so others can't look it up first.)  By the next update, we'll have a decent number of quizzes up there for people to pick and choose from.  I think a simple quiz for newbies and apprentices is a good idea--maybe we could all submit a couple of questions and have Art pick the top five (or ten)?  This way no one person has to come up with the whole thing, and it can be a collaborative effort.  I guess these would be relatively miscellaneous questions, no?  Or perhaps they should be questions taken from the "Help, I'm a Newbie" section to encourage them to actually read it? :P

Alysse


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 10 February 2008, 05:04:51
Yeah, even if each person only comes up with one question and there are multiple people who do that, we'd get some nice quizzes :)

BTW: Your orc quiz is now also integrated (5 questions, various pics), can be found under the RACES option in the Trivia menu. Also another pic was added to the Misc. menu. - Next one will be Mira's Herbarium quiz, but this will be part of the Lorehold itself, so it requires a bit of a different handling, but should be ready as well this weekend.

P.S. I'm also thinking about a way to make direct links into a Lorehold module, which doesn't seem to be too difficult. This will allow to make a link somewhere on the Forum or e.g. in the Web History, so that Santhworld starts e.g. with the Trivia quiz menu if you click that link, or even directly with the orc quiz.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 17 February 2008, 14:52:17
Um, Art?  Not to be pushy or anything, but I've noticed my "Insects" quiz isn't up yet, and I just wanted to be sure you didn't forget it with all the stuff you are working on right now.   Was there anything yet that you needed for it?  If so, let me know and I can remedy that right away.

Thanks,

Alysse


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 February 2008, 16:21:23
I'm aware of that, Alysse... I'll see to it that it definitely makes the next update. Probably I'll already start today with preparing it.

The thing is, I've started on that ghost story, which I really need to finish - and this takes a while. It is a more complex tale that requires a lot of thought and also cannot be told in a short way, so I'll have to get it done. Too often I just manage things on the boards and my own creativity falls short. That's why I invest time in it now. Also that story integrates an illustration, and if people only develop stuff that isn't illustrated, I feel obliged to counter that and give this story preference over everything else.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 18 February 2008, 05:05:30
Ok, Insects Quiz is up now as well, as always available in the trivia section, GOTO TRIVIA, then BESTIARY, then INSECTS... Enjoy :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 18 February 2008, 05:43:36
Thanks, Art.  I wasn't trying to insist you do it immediately, I just thought you might have forgotten it in all the busyness.  As far as I'm concerned, your story definitely takes precedence--we're all waiting with bated breath to find out what happens next! (though some of us may have our heads under a blanket or two)  :)

Alysse


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 February 2008, 04:06:56
No problem, needed a bit of a distraction anyway from writing, so I managed to get this one done yesterday :)

BTW: Decipher has also accumulated 5 questions for a new quiz dealing with the Zhunites, so this one will be added as well within the next week or so. If you don't follow Nybelmarian stuff that closely you might definitely have some major difficulties with it... :lol: Anyway, quizzes are also here so that people can learn a bit about something Santharian... or Caelerethian... :P


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 15 March 2008, 00:28:03
A new quiz by Alysse has arrived, this time about Birds of Caelereth :) Thanks for that, Alysse!

Please note however that it may take a while until this one gets integrated, because we're about to switch the Santhworld engine (the code behind it) to a new enhanced version that is prepared for a lot of things that were impossible to realize with the old version. As already announced this is part of my work over Easter, and I've already started on it. The thing with the switch is that all the existing functions (trivia, random texts etc.) need to work in the new version as well, so we first have to guarantee that what exists at the moment looks exactly the same again, despite the code was changed from semi-flexibility to full flexibility.

Sounds complicated? :lol: Well, it's necessary to get Santhworld a level up before we go into a non-dynamic direction at parts and Santhworld grows too large for easy conversion. So the regular user won't see that much at first and will have to wait a bit for further additons like trivias, but it's more than worth it in the long run - trust me :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 17 March 2008, 06:06:55
Sounds very interesting. Art!


Once you have the coding switched over, I will have another trivia quiz and that quest idea I'm working on should be ready too.  But I'll need to know what the new abilities are before I can write it. (i.e. can we pick things up, move them from one room to another, return to a previously-met person and have them recognize you...that sort of thing.)

Really looking forwards to it!

Alysse



Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 March 2008, 16:12:02
I've spent the last days with working on the switch and we're progressing nicely :) - The first version(s) will simply do everything as before including some extras (weighed random texts, trivia quizzes can pose questions in random order etc.) plus we'll mainly have conditions to work with, but not yet items. I'll explain.

- Conditions means that you can set a quest status for example or say that the player now knows a person. Depending on a quest status or the fact that the program definitely knows that you know a person you can present proper keywords and get other reactions.

Example: If Geoffrey tells you to search for the "primer" and you talk to a person, suddenly the keyword "primer" can show up, because the program knows that you're searching for it. And Geoffrey might greet you "Now have you got that damned primer already?" next time you meet him.

Conditions can also help to remember the status of objects in a room. For example the mosaic door. We can now change it that you actually have to examine the mosaic in order to discover the door. Or that you need to open it first. Only if you know it and it is opened you can go through it.

Another example is the Alysse room. Unlike in other rooms you don't see Alysse when you enter (not the keyword and not the pic). You first need to investigate, then you discover her and can talk to her. At the moment if you re-enter that room again, you again don't see Alysse's listed, not her pic. - In the new version the program will now know that you already discovered Alysse, so it can list Alysse and even show her picture, just the way you left the room. And if you just walk in the first time and type "TALK TO ALYSSE" you can receive a message like "Alysse? I don't see Alysse here." So we can react exactly to the experiences the player has made so far.

- Concerning the items: Items will still last a bit. This is because even tough item stuff is already in the works, it has to be completed before it can be of use for the user.

a) Items means that users can use commands like TAKE KEY and DROP KEY. The program needs to know exactly where the items are.
b) Conditions need to work with items (e.g. does the player actually have the key?)
c) Players also can view their INVENTORY list .
d) They can examine stuff in their inventory, which means to examine stuff that is not in a room (different handling!)
e) Item associated commands should be possible like GIVE KEY
f) We need to support that the player can enter item names which have more than one word, for example COPPER KEY and IRON KEY.
g) Complex 4 word commands need to be possible like like UNLOCK DOOR WITH KEY and at the same time commands lke UNLOCK THE RUSTY DOOR WITH THE COPPER KEY should also be understood.

So there's a good deal of things we need to take care of, and the basic things are already realized to an important degree. While g) might not yet be necessary immediately, f) is definitely something we have to do, otherwise we get in trouble later once there is more than one key. - But we're working on it :) - Conditions already make things already tremendously interesting, but with working items practically everything is possible. My colleague already has plans to add hitpoints and a combat system... :lol: Something like this is still way ahead, so one step after the other!

So to sum it up: Purely condition based quests are easily possible very soon (for example: someone can send you somewhere to push a button or pull a lever to open a new room etc. Characters can also move based on conditions for example!) Concrete item based quests can take a little while longer, but you can plan them as well in detail already, Alysse!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 17 March 2008, 22:00:38
Can we send blue roses, tame kuatus, kaokao-covered doch nuts, or other tokens of appreciation for your 'colleague' to share with you?  :)   It sounds as though you have successfully 'hooked' another Santhaddict, you sneaky sage!

I should like to get Dame Sausage or Hubert to ask you for some sage leaves or something from the garden.... that would be a fun little herb quest.... but of course one has to be able to identify the plant first, so a look in one of the reference books in the library or a talk with the gardener might be essential.... :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 18 March 2008, 03:44:44

Dame SAUSAGE? :rolling:


That would be a fun little quest, but don't make it simple as sage leaves--ask for squill-fungus!  Or possibly weeproots, caroots, fresh kragghi vine...make it specifically Santharian and then they HAVE to do the research to figure out what they are looking for, right? :D  We do have pictures for most of these things, I think. (Do we have sage in Santharia?  I think I invented squill-fung as a Santharian alternate.)

BTW, can you access Dame Sausade's cookbook from Santhworld?   That gem should be in there somewhere--perhaps she could let you leaf through her copy while she's chopping apples or whatever.

Just a thought,

Alysse.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 March 2008, 04:10:18
Yeah, feel free to plot some quests, Judy & Alysse! And yes, my colleague being a fellow programmer of course has spotted the pure genius of the dynamic programming (=everything's possible through external files) I've started with Santhworld. :grin: - He has helped tremendously already with building the mainframe for the functions we need, and we can expand that mainframe with the functions now very easily.

Dame Sausade's (Sausage? :lol: ) cookbook is already in Santhworld somewhere BTW, it hides in Nepris (GOTO NEPRIS) BTW... Nepris will serve as a good test for quests that will be possible with the new version. But Nepris is still a development module. However, you can explore there already quite a bit. :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 March 2008, 16:50:46
Ok, the conversion of the old Santhworld data is now complete. :) Everything that was in the previous version now works in the new one as well, only that it is fully script based and easily manageable and expandable. We now have a perfect editor that allows us to handle all that. This marks one of the milestones we intended to achieve these Easter holidays.

I don't upload it yet as at the moment the changes are not dramatically apparent as I simply focussed purely on the conversion plus I also need to make a few final tests.

The next step will be to get in some conditions so that you can get an idea what the changes actually managed to accomplish. The long term effects this dramatic restructuring cause will be much better apparent once we have items as well.

In terms of items/inventory handling I will try to get this somewhat working in a basic version the next week. Items will have to gave a unique keyword still in the upcoming items supporting version however. So there will be only one KEY in the game, we can't have a BLUE KEY as well. If you refer to books you would need to do that by a short title, like POTIORAMA or COOKBOOK. Two word items won't work then.

What is already quite nice in the current version is that trivia questions aren't asked in the succeeding order, but you get questions chosen in a random order. This way the player actually has to think and can't just select answers next time in a different fashion just to get it right. ;)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 27 March 2008, 02:16:25
Integrated already by now is the latest 5 questions trivia by Alysse, dealing with Birds, and it also features 5 pictures. It is the third quiz under Bestiary (GOTO TRIVIA). In the process of making the trivia I also programmed a wizard allowing me to add questions easily, so this will work even more efficient in the future. We're getting our bases covered with Santhworld and we're ready for anything that might come :)

I also don't know if I mentioned this already, but it is possible in the new version to handle it in a more complex way how questions are asked. Which means: We could have a pool of, say, 20 questions to do an ultimate Santharian quiz, and the player gets a random selection of 5 questions for example, thus each quiz would be different. The questions pool could of course be constantly expanded. It is also possible to let the player define himself/herself how many he wants to do. So a player could choose a quiz called e.g. "Santharian challenge", then then program asks: How many questions would you like to have? And one could choose 5, 10, 15, 20 etc. So we're very flexible now in that regard. :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 27 March 2008, 06:35:01
Oooo, that sounds cool!  I love the idea of an "ultimate Santharian challenge" quiz, that sounds like fun.

So would it just take random questions from all the quizzes that are there already, or are you talking about a separate pool of miscellaneous questions?

My monster quiz is coming soon, I promise...I haven't had a lot of time to work on it with all the interesting stuff that I've been looking at and commenting on. (looks guilty)

Alysse


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 27 March 2008, 07:22:35
Well, we can decide which questions we add to a pool of such a challenge. So a challenge could also be e.g. purely Bestiary specific and include all questions of all Bestiary quizzes for example.

BTW: As the chances are good that we can have items soon officially available in Santhworld (hopefully next week, my colleague is now handling the last Flash parts), any quest related to items is welcome already - we need something to test this properly once it is available.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 27 March 2008, 07:47:51
Well, the basic idea for my quest is that you'll need to find something that Alysse and F'ash are looking for--figure out who to talk to or where to go and then bring it back to them. (I am deliberately not being specific here, I will PM you with the details.)

If that's what you're looking for as a tester, I should be able to send it in tomorrow or the day after.  Then you can program it in.

Alysse



Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 04 May 2008, 23:35:38
New in the Trivia module:

- Music at the Orcish quiz
- Dusk is Here (Gean & Judy) plays during the Misc. quiz


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 13 June 2008, 22:24:21
Are you still looking for quizzes Arti?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 13 June 2008, 22:58:31
Sure, the more the merrier :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 13 June 2008, 23:02:25
Ok, I'll start putting together a Brownie-Quiz then, although it might take me a little while. :)  How many questions do you usually have?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 13 June 2008, 23:05:17
Well, there should be at least 5, more interesting is of course to have 10, this offers more chances to succeed and fail and get a better rank etc. - Ideal is also to let the answers be accompanied by as many pictures as you can get in.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 13 June 2008, 23:09:17
Ok, ten questions, as many pictures as possible.  Got it :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 14 June 2008, 14:58:07
We've also got a music for the Vale Brownies, so this might accompany such a quiz :)

P.S. Alysse finished her 5 questions Monsters Quiz as well by now, so there's more trivia on its way to show up soon! :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 15 June 2008, 20:17:58
Alysse's Monster Quiz is now integrated - 5 questions, 5 pics, music by Ralrok :)

Check it out by entering Santhworld and then using these commands:
- START TRIVIA
- BESTIARY
- Select "Monsters Quiz"

Good luck ;)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 23 December 2008, 17:53:59
The Anniversary Trivia on the site (START TRIVIA, SPECIALS) has just been updated. It is still a 10 questions quiz, but we have now integrated the promised new feature that we can pull from a larger pool of questions from which we choose random ones. The amount of questions is now at 20 and you are asked 10 of those. Eventually this new feature will allow us to expand all quizzes ad infinitium, making things much more challenging as you can't be sure what questions will be presented if you take a quiz again. The difficulty level of a quiz could then also be regulated by choosing the amount of questions, e.g. you could take just a 5 question quiz, or a 10 question quiz or even a 20 quiz etc.

Some more questions Tharoc provided are in there, but some of these questions were practically impossible to answer unless you had extreme insight knowledge in development discussion posts within a thread on the Forum, so I didn't take those. Other stuff I've added myself, so they are somewhat Artimidor centered here and there - but feel free to provide your own questions to make things more balanced :)

Anyway, hope you enjoy and you know most of the answers... Some questions are really tricky! :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 25 September 2009, 03:06:49
Is there still interest in more Trivia Quizes? I have ideas for 10 questions on ghosts and eerie myths. There would be pictures for the majority of correct answers ...


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 25 September 2009, 03:12:34
Yep, of course - just go ahead, Shab, put it together and send me questions and tell me what pics you intend to use :D Always good to have some more trivia and challenge people's knowledge! I like tricky quizzes :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 25 September 2009, 03:13:46
Hurray!

I'll send you an e-mail soon.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 25 September 2009, 15:40:45
Thanks for the trivia document (15 pages, guess you didn't put that together just yesterday evening, eh?) - excellent quiz, thoroughly designed from beginning to end with description/teaser, pictures, ranking evaluation, detailed and intelligent questions and great replies and what not... I only will have to shorten the tile a bit in the selection list ;) Just fabulous work, Shab!

No doubt you get an aura +1 for this, Shab - and I guess we could even upload the document somewhere (later, once the quiz is up and people played it). It would serve as a wonderful template on how this should be done! :clap: :thumbup: :clap:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 26 September 2009, 08:04:50
 

:)


(P.S.: I never got that aura point, I think - unless somebody has also given me a negative one during the last 24 hours, in which case I'd be interested to know why. Not that I mind. I am of the opinion that I've got far too much aura relative to most people around here, particularly relative to many of the long-established members.)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 26 September 2009, 14:46:57
No need to worry, Shab, only as far as the webmaster's senility is concerned. You got it now :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 26 September 2009, 19:25:15
Ah, thanks, Sage!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 28 September 2009, 18:15:36
Ok, guys, Shab's Santhworld quiz dealing with Mytology is now up and running, so check it out by entering Santhworld, then START TRIVIA, Keyword MYTHS. It has 10 very creative questions, lots of pictures (even at wrong answers), and even the texts at the answers be they right or wrong are pretty entertaining. It's pretty challenging, so definitely a good way to check your Santharian knowledge...

Also new at this quiz are sounds you get when you have answered questions (one sound for positive answers, and one sound is selected of four different ones per negative answer). Plus once you finish the quiz and get to the ranks three different finish melodies are played, depending on how well you fared.

Actually the quiz was already online yesterday, so I got some mistakes fixed already thanks to Shab's detailed check. Initially we wanted to upload a new Santhworld program version already with some new features, but decided to first complete them properly and test things as good as possible before we risk substituting the versions.

Aynway, have fun with the quiz - it's a really good one! :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 28 September 2009, 19:22:31
Lovely quiz Mr Anfang ... I got 5 / 10 on it. :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 28 September 2009, 19:40:09
Oh, that is great! I got all 10 points, but only nearly and I had to think and remember hard! That question which contained the arshir was mean! Was often a matter of excluding answers, not really knowing.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 29 September 2009, 00:27:24
I only got 6 out of 10--but I liked my ranking as a Black Unicorn.

Great quiz!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 29 September 2009, 00:54:13
9/10  :D  I'm a Demon Lord... eh, it's what the exes call me, so no surprise.  Got fooled on the Domovidge question.

Great quiz Shabby.  You have been auried.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 29 September 2009, 01:46:45
By Seyella, you are all so infuriatingly knowledgeable! Why did I write all those responses to false answers, then?  :rolleyes:

(I myself would have known only 3 or 4 answers before I started the research for this quiz.)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 29 September 2009, 02:26:07
Fixed a bunch of small things in the trivias as pointed out, but I cannot reproduce what Deklitch experienced:

Quote
I've just been having a go at the Trivia Project.

I am currently on the orcs quiz by Alysse [Artimidor: That's the one under Races I assume]

I answered the first two questions, and then when I selected 'OK' to continue on to the next question, I got the following error message ...

'You cannot find any R_A_* to examine here.
Better try something else.'

Does anyone else have the same problem, cause I can play it as often as I want and it's all fine.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 29 September 2009, 02:36:04
Ah, wait, I spotted it now indeed at the 17th attempt...!  :cool:

Aaand fixed :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 01 October 2009, 04:53:42
This is just a little reminder to the esteemed company that there is a new quiz in Santhworld Trivia, under the (likewise new) category "Myth", entitled "Hildula Hauntwell's Exceedingly Eerie Quiz of Spooks and Myths". I find it infuriating that the average score so far is well above 7/10. I have made this quiz far too easy!

Or have I?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 19 October 2009, 09:51:51
Oh great Sage!
(Yes, I'm getting to the complementing right away)
It occurs to me we have this wonderful Manthrian Map. It's... whatever it is (animated doesn't seem quite the right word) and quite frankly, very neat.
Would I be remiss in trying to write a trivia piece for the province?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 October 2009, 14:41:39
Yep, that would be cool, Valan! We definitely have a lot material there - just go ahead :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 20 October 2009, 09:52:13
One quick question before I start. The Provinces Map (http://www.santharia.com/maps/medium/santharia_provinces.htm) shows that Rimmerins Ring is in Sanguia, but it appears to have bled on to the Manthrian map. Is it a Sanguian or a Manthrian area?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 20 October 2009, 14:46:53
On the Duchies map (http://www.santharia.com/maps/provinces/manthria/manthria_duchies.jpg) you see the exact borders of the province - so the Rimmerins Ring is definitely not part of Manthria.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Aaron Silverleaf on 06 December 2009, 03:29:41
I'm quite intrigued with Santhworld so can I do a quiz about the hobbits in general.
P.S. Santhworld looks really good. It must have taken forever to do it all! :shocked:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Jenna Silverbirch on 06 December 2009, 04:05:17
Ah, someone always beats you to it if you don't act fast enough ... :lol: I was planning on offering to do a hobbit based quiz eventually, but thought there wasn't really enough information on them for a substantial quiz. So I carried on developing...

But I'd still love to see what you come up with, Aaron :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 06 December 2009, 04:15:16
Sure, Aaron, quizzes are always welcome! They are a lot of fun to test the own knowledge or to improve it by taking them and learn more about Santharian matters :D So yup, if you can put together a quiz, that would be nice!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Aaron Silverleaf on 07 December 2009, 02:24:07
So Artimidor where should I post my quiz once I'm finished with it?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 07 December 2009, 02:30:07
Well, as posting questions and answers here on the Forum would reveal it all, it is advisable to send it via PM or e-mail to me :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 07 December 2009, 03:05:58
I see you've already sent your quiz, so you get an aura +1 for that, Aaron! :thumbup: Will take a while till I can integrate it as I'm currently finishing writing a major story, but it's already marked for integration!  :cool:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Aaron Silverleaf on 07 December 2009, 03:07:47
Thank You Arti for responding so quickly. I am so so happy to have an entry or whatever you want to call the quiz marked for integration. Thanks a bunch.  :grin:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Aaron Silverleaf on 17 December 2009, 05:25:12
If I may be so bold can I do the Llaoihrr Quiz? I already have thought up a few questions. Thanks! :grin:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 December 2009, 06:10:52
Guess there should be no problem with that, our Brownie department should be delighted to get a quiz on site :) - Just remember that the negative answers shouldn't actually tell you the right answer (had to change that), because that makes taking the quiz a second time pretty easy!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 17 December 2009, 06:23:39
Guess there should be no problem with that, our Brownie department should be delighted to get a quiz on site :) - Just remember that the negative answers shouldn't actually tell you the right answer (had to change that), because that makes taking the quiz a second time pretty easy!

Yes, I noticed that at least one of the Hobbit questions gave the correct answer when you clicked on an incorrect response ... it was the age one, I think.

By that, I mean that when it explained why it was the incorrect answer, it gave reasons why the three incorrect answers were incorrect, allowing one on a future attempt to use that knowledge to come up with the correct answer.

Dek


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Aaron Silverleaf on 17 December 2009, 06:39:36
My mistake about that I'll make sure that doesn't appear in my Llaoihrr entry.  :buck:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 18 December 2009, 04:30:56
I see you've already put together 5 questions for the Brownies quiz and PMed them, Aaron, that's good :) Might I suggest however to aim for 10? Just take your time, however. You know, just 5 questions makes it really difficult to make proper evaluation, because one question already decides pretty much over success and failure...

There also a few more pics that could be of use, just have a look at the Council Tree (http://www.santharia.com/places/council_tree.htm) entry (part of the pic could e.g. be used for a Brownie Wings (http://www.santharia.com/gear/brownie_wings.htm) question), or the Bead Industry (http://www.santharia.com/crafts_trade/bead_industry.htm) entry. Guess there are a bunch more you could hunt up if you have a look around!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 18 December 2009, 21:45:26
I have a half-finished quiz from ages ago that I'd forgotten about - how about we combine the two for a bigger Llaoihrr quiz Aaron?  We could even expand it to include all Brownie tribes at some point.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Aaron Silverleaf on 19 December 2009, 07:27:29
Great idea Rookie! :clap2: I'll just pm it to you and you could look it over and combine it with your own.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 20 December 2009, 16:15:17
Ok, cool :D With combined forces we get a pretty thorough quiz, which should also be nicely illustrated! There aren't any double questions as far as I can see, so I'll adjust the ranks according to the 10 questions and mark it for integration next update!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 20 December 2009, 18:29:20
Thanks Arti! :)

And + aura Aaron for making it happen.  Woo, brownie quiz!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Aaron Silverleaf on 21 December 2009, 01:53:09
Thanks a bunch Rookie and Arti! I seem to be a quiz making spree so why shouldn't I do another one? Perhaps I could write up a quiz about the Merfolk.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 16 January 2010, 19:07:53
Just prepared and uploaded - Rookie's and Aaron's Vale Brownie quiz for Santhworld (START TRIVIA/TRIBES, then select "Choose Vale Brownie Quiz") - have fun! :grin:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 17 January 2010, 05:26:10
Good quiz! It's especially nice that it integrates so many interesting pictures - most of which I didn't know.

I disagree with the Difficulty Level, though. I didn't find it easy at all! I only got 3 points the first time round, and statistically, that's not much better than could be expected if I had chosen answers at random.

Anyway, aura for the authors, Aaron and Rookie, and for Art for implementation. And who did the music? I like it!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 January 2010, 16:30:50
Yes, I agree - the difficulty of the questions ranges from easy to very tough. I guess in general most of our quizzes aren't really designed for a specific difficulty level... Anyway, I'll update that to at least medium.

Music is by Gean, it's the Vale Brownie Theme, representing the Brownies at the Council Tree getting up in the morning, one starts making music and others join in, excellent idea and realization there :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 22 August 2010, 08:25:13
Hi Art,

if you had time, you could add Seeker's Hiveling picture to "Hildula Hauntwell's Quiz", to illustrate answer C to the "Swarmghost of Nothesby" question.

Also, the portrait of Seyella (highest final rank) could be updated to Seeker's new version.

Thanks,

Shabakuk


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Seeker on 22 August 2010, 11:42:33
And before Art mentions it I know I still need to update the pic of Seyella with an appropriate background.  I have been thinking about that all year. :undecided:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 22 August 2010, 16:27:15
Ok, pictures have been updated/added! :thumbup:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 22 August 2010, 20:02:13
Thanks, Arti - I can see the new Seyella now, but instead of the Hiveling I obtain a generic "Santharian Trivia" image ... 


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 22 August 2010, 20:15:28
But NOW you have the hiveling in there as well! Definitely! :cool:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 22 August 2010, 20:23:04
Wonderful! An aura point (when I'm next able to give you one) for being ever helpful.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 29 September 2010, 22:33:39
I've had an idea (having recently gone and poked around the trivia section) to do a trivia for the armoury.
We'll see how it goes.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 30 September 2010, 02:35:17
Sounds cool, Valan! We get more and more pictures in this section as well, so if you can integrate some of them, the better. I'd love to see another quiz :)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 17 October 2010, 12:45:32
The quiz, or part of it, should be in your PMs.

10 question quiz. I figure I could suggest ranks for correct answers.

0-2:Corpse (http://stuff.santharia.com/koldar/fallen_hero.jpg): Oh dear. I fear we shouldn't have let you handle weapons in the first place. It's too late for that though!

3-5: Novice (http://stuff.santharia.com/quellion/mag5/double_trouble.jpg): You still have a long way to go before you can stop practicing with wooden wasters and test true steel. Try not to cut yourself! Best find a quiet order, like the White Knights. They train healers and monks as well, so I hear.

6-9: Knight (http://santharia.com/people/people_pics/knight_of_the_fallen.jpg): You have proven yourself worthy of knighthood with a cool head for weapon lore. Stand proud! The Knights of the Fallen would be glad to have one of your knowledge at their side.

10: Champion (http://www.santharia.com/pictures/eratin/armerenda.htm): Arise, Child of Armeros! Your battle lore and knowledge of weapons is second to none! Perhaps you may ahve the skill to succeed at the Armerenda, like the legendary hero Jaecor Armerson.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 October 2010, 14:53:59
Thanks for that, Valan!

Good to have weapons covered as well in a quiz now. I see there are also a bunch of pictures we can use now to go with it, that's always a plus if we have the illustrations right at hand. Makes it much more fun to have an a correct answer rewarded with an illustration, or even see a picture if you chose the wrong answer. So this looks good. It will last quite a while till I can integrate it all, though, because I now have to use my spare time to make progress on Nepris II, but I'll get to it, don't worry! :)

Aura +1 at any rate!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 17 October 2010, 21:46:45
My overall entry progress may be slowed by school stuff (hence the crunch now) but I imagine I could turn out a quiz or two in my spare time. There's a lot less work.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 17 October 2010, 21:49:35
You've got 6 months, Mister, or you lose it.

*wanders off grumbling to himself....  old age has caught up to him*

And get off my lawn. :buck:


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 18 October 2010, 05:58:02
Or 4 months ... just because he is Valan :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 20 October 2010, 05:55:42
I like your categories and descriptions, Valan! Good choices of pictures, too!

There's only one thing I would say: with ten questions and (I assume) four choices each, a person who knows nothing and guesses answers randomly has an almost 50% chance of getting three or more points (47.4 %, actually).

So personally, I would widen the range of the 'corpse' category (maybe from 0-4?), and adjust the other ranges accordingly.

I don't see the quiz on Santhworld yet, but I'm looking forward to taking it. Given my knowledge on weapons, I have a good chance of ending up as a 'corpse', whatever points range you settle on.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 14 November 2010, 18:15:50
Ok, guys, Valan's new Armoury Quiz is now on site! Access it through Santhworld, START TRIVIA, MISC, second option.

Some notes:

- The ranks were adjusted according to Shabakuk's proposal.
- The answer your provided at the swords/tribes question wasn't correct... Fixed that!
- General note when quizzes are prepared:
a) Try to also find possible pictures to go with the ranks you've made up.
b) Also don't just provide questions and answers A, B, C or D. Rather add some text explaining something, like why your answer is correct. Or if you chose a wrong answer why it is not the right one. The point of quizzes is also that the people doing it actually learn a bit of Santharia. If they think they've chosen the right answer, and it isn't, it helps to give them pointers where they went wrong.

I've done all the mentioned things now at this quiz, hope you enjoy! :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Bard Judith on 14 November 2010, 18:42:03
So.... Az wants a Santhworld module up north.... can anyone guess my far-in-the-future dream?  Hint:

http://www.gocomics.com/culdesac/2008/09/13/ (http://www.gocomics.com/culdesac/2008/09/13/)
(http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=7a27c3602f4b28d42955d70bd685de67)


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 14 November 2010, 18:52:22
Armoury Quiz ... I got 8/10 and got ranked a Knight :D


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 15 November 2010, 02:28:59
Ten out of ten. Art, I had suggested pictures, the links alongside the proposed rankings were intended to be used. I'll make sure to get that other bit the next time I make a quiz. mMaybe an Artifacts quiz.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 15 November 2010, 02:43:03
@Judy: A dwarf module for the North perhaps? Dwarves digging into the Netherworlds? :cool:

@Valan: A-ha! Now I see the links, sorry! I copied the text into wordpad where I collect everything I prepare, and of course while copying the links didn't come through... I hope the choices I made are fitting - the Knight of the Fallen pic I used in the quiz BTW, so it better shouldn't have been used twice then anyway.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 15 November 2010, 03:02:24
Only a few lucky guesses prevented me from ending up as a corpse - I got 6 out of 10 points and am now a proud novice.

Nice little quiz. Aura for Valan and Art!


Edit - PS: I did like Valan's picture selection for 'novice', though!


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 15 November 2010, 03:57:08
Good quiz!  I scored in the Novice range as well.   


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 16 November 2010, 04:11:28
I replaced two pictures now to go with Valan initial suggestions: "Novice" was now updated, and the Armerenda also has the riders instead of Jaecor, which also looks pretty good. :)

I left the Knight as it is because we have that picture in the quiz already, and the "corpse" picture I wanted change as well, but the format unfortunately didn't fit - I can only use a part of the picture and if I do that, the full body can't be seen, so it looks pretty weird that way. But I guess the picture of a defeated warrior fits nicely here as well.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 17 November 2010, 09:05:18
Which pictures had been used already Art? Out of curiosity.


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 November 2010, 15:40:31
Can you formulare your question more precisely, Valan? Which pictures exactly are you referring to, and where do you mean?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 17 November 2010, 21:35:38
What were the pictures you had for the novice and corpse ranks originally?


Title: Re: Santhworld - The Trivia Project
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 17 November 2010, 22:20:06
Here you go:

Corpse (still active)
http://www.santharia.com/santhworld/defeated/defeated.swf

Novice
http://www.santharia.com/santhworld/archer/archer.swf