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Santharian World Development => Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources => Topic started by: Seeker on 18 April 2009, 07:49:05



Title: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Seeker on 18 April 2009, 07:49:05
Art, here you go.  Is this what you imagine the wisp to look like?  I can easily alter if you like.

Of course anyone is welcome to comment.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 18 April 2009, 07:54:59
A little bit more sparkly around the edges? Perhaps a bit of a ghostly tail? They seem a little too plain, just pale circles really.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic
Post by: Bard Judith on 18 April 2009, 09:36:26
Ah, but as 'lanterns' that lead people astray that's just about right.  We do want them to have a sense of mysteriousness as to what they are (balls of marsh gas, evil spirits, reflected starlight, traces of old magic....? )        I agree that they could have a varying bit of 'sparkle' and glow - perhaps altering the tint slightly would also add more interest - a hint of green or yellow, say - but I'd avoid any features.

Another nicely atmospheric picture, Seeker!


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 18 April 2009, 15:15:35
A general thing: Something to take into account with pictures that have a lot of dark in them is to make sure that a monitor that has a bit of a darker setting still can display the picture more or less properly. So don't make parts of the picture nearly black, just much darker. A similar thing applies to pictures where you show something with a lot of white where the picture lives from the many white nuances. If a monitor is too bright, the colour differences might get swallowed.

So here the picture might be a bit too dark in parts.

Ok, now to the wisp: There surely are some things you could try to make that wisp more interesting. Like different colours, or there are some filters/special effects in Photoshop e.g. that could do very well here, maybe if you then draw over them to iron a clearly visible special effect out a bit, or do an effect and make it only half transparent etc. Like a lense flare, or a glow, some sort of brighter, clearer core - things like that. There could also be a second half-transparent ring around these orbs perhaps.

The art would be to make such effects not very dominant, but just so that they enhance the desired result.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 18 April 2009, 15:17:12
Cooool, you have a hand with landscapes, Seeker! Very atmospheric!

The wisps themselves are a bit too hard for me, their white colour, their opaqueness. Maybe make them a bit more transparent, and tone down the white only so slightly? Otherwise I like them as they are!

Maybe it is my Mac though which shows this pic differently to me.


Seems Art beats me to every comment today ;)

Art, Seeker has GIMP, but there are surely similar effects available.

It is not too dark for me.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 20 April 2009, 05:09:35
Very creepy, mon frere - but yes, I concur with the above. Make it fancy, play with the colors, but don't make it distracting. Maybe even have them "interacting" with somebody?


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic
Post by: seth ghibta on 20 April 2009, 05:14:24
wow, you're good at lighting. :shocked: i've always found that really hard. i really like the simplicity of the picture, but i'd agree with Judith, maybe a teeny bit more weirditude. :P


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic
Post by: Seeker on 20 April 2009, 10:12:59
I had a fun time learning new things with the lens flare, glows and such.  I tried to keep the changes subtle.  I am also adding two versions.  One a bit lighter than the first.  Curious which one looks better on your monitors.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 20 April 2009, 11:02:19
I think I prefer the darker one myself, but they both look very awesome. I've been trying to figure out how you did the actual balls, is it just the dodge tool, or what?


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Fox on 20 April 2009, 11:33:34
Have you considered making the center a bit brighter? They seem a bit too globally transparent as they are, and their color is fairly flat throughout since the inside is the same shade as the outer edges. Increasing the brightness of the center while leaving the outsides dulled would give them a bit more 'presence' I think.

You can see an example of what I mean here (http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9057/brighterwispsexa.jpg). It's got the darker background but with the interior of the wisps being slightly brighter.



Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Seeker on 20 April 2009, 12:07:46
Fox, it was already suggested to make them more transparent.  So we will have to go with one or the other.  Maybe some more opinions on the subject will help to decide which way to go.  I am personally not attached to which way we go.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Fox on 20 April 2009, 14:19:32
Sorry, transparent was the wrong word I think. My main suggestion was just on a brighter center, to give a more 'light-like' feel, which I felt was missing on the first version as well.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Bard Judith on 20 April 2009, 15:10:40
What makes them so convincing for me is the way they light up their environment!  (jealous)   I don't care which one, darker or lighter both look good on this monitor.  And I love the balance of the three sizes in the picture...


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 20 April 2009, 21:12:44
Oh I get an illustration!

I like the pics so far. I would like to see some different colors as well. Can you perhaps tint each wisp in a slight shade of red, blue or yellow maybe?

If not, it still looks good as is.

Bravo!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 21 April 2009, 02:55:47
The light version looks pretty enchanting if I may say so! The dark one is also pretty cool, but the fact that the picture is more light gives it another, I think more fascinating atmosphere. Cool thing now with the circle and the "rays" emanating from the center of that floating orb!

Making the center a bit brighter as Fox suggests sounds also interesting, maybe not too bright though as in Fox's version? So that you have a rather bright "heart" in the center and that it dims out at the borders? But course that's all basically a matter of taste. Looks pretty cool, really! As Azhira said: Would be interesting to see some slightly coloured ones (wouldn't recommend too stong colours though), but that could be something interesting to try as well.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 21 April 2009, 04:10:27
Seeker, I think I need a print   :grin:

I downloaded both versions and looked and compared them on my (huge :D) screen and they both look cool, but I personally would go for the darker one, but it could be I see it brighter anyway. If I find the time, I'll look on my son's 'ordinary' screen.

I would not vary the colours too much, no green, blue , red and yellow, not even very faint. But, maybe a tint of (warm) yellow, maybe that yellow varying on intensity depending on the size of the spheres, maybe a hint of (cool) blue somewhere, but not more. I personally think, that a red or a different green has no place in this composition, but that is of course only my opinion.

And now to my monster..


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Seeker on 21 April 2009, 05:28:11
I understand why Azhira wants the different colors.  She described the wisp to use different colors to reflect different moods, etc.  However I tried using the diferent colors , especially red and it made the composition look a little too colorful and took away from the eerie night feeling.  I can also add different versions with different colors so Art can use the Wisp of his choice (he may need an angry one every once in a while).

As far as the dark vs. light.  Art may want to post the slightly lighter version so more people out there in cyberspace can enjoy the picture.  Not everyone has nice monitors like us here Santharia.

I will play around a bit more.  And see what I can do.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Seeker on 21 April 2009, 09:16:02
Alright Art, here you go.  See what you can do with these.  In the first pic I played around with blues, greens and yellows.  They seemed to work well together.  In the second pic I made them all a reddish hue.  I provided this in case you ever need some angry wisps for anything.  I would prefer the 1st pic is used in the Wisp apparition entry but I will leave that to you and Azhira.


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 21 April 2009, 09:26:46
I really like these, they are so nice and spooky looking...(shivers)

Be great if we could use them in Santhworld, maybe just for a little "atmospheric moment", so to speak.  Perhaps there's a place for a swamp in there somewhere, where the player could encounter one of these critters?  They're cool!


Alysse


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 21 April 2009, 14:38:43
Yeah, guess they're lovely, and I'd say they should be pretty fine as they are now. Putting too much effort into the design of special effects could also go too far, so that it hampers the intended atmosphere. :)

@Alysse: Yes, anything associated with swamps can do great in Santhworld. We're bulding our swamp-related picture base one by one now, and these wisps are a great addition to that. Besides: Since Uninvited I try to incorporate more animated stuff into the displayed mini-movies as well where appropriate (until then it was pretty much only a fade in), so If I could have the wisps somehow on a seperate layer (PSD file, or in a transparent PNG), then I could let some wisps move around eeriely as well, maybe in combination with some moving fog as I already did in Uninvited...


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 21 April 2009, 20:16:34
Yup, I'd say that the first pic is definitely the one! I can see the barely there shade of color, but not too much! Perfect. The intent was to have subtle color shades that if you look at them, you think you can see them, but maybe not...it adds to the mysteriousness of the wisps.

Thanks for the pic, Seeker!


Title: Re: Wisp Apparition Pic UPDATED
Post by: Elendilwyn on 23 April 2009, 01:06:38
I wish I have something constructive to say other than I like it - opinion wise, I like the second one. I like being able to see details.