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Title: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 14 July 2009, 23:31:25

Right, harking back to the ancient days of yore, when I asked this:
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If I slim down some of these beautiful myth ideas, as well as some of those already in there, can they go in separate entries, which elaborate on the reference here? Only this thing is not getting any shorter. I don't mind writing the myth entries myself, or collaborating with whoever's interested, or whatever, but it doesn't look like I'd be able to do them anything like what they deserve within this entry alone.

…and got this nice reply from Talia (sorry to dig up your words and steal them, btw):
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Of course you can!  You do not need necessarily to do the long version with overview, prevalence etc, but write down the myth itself only with a short introduction. And then we do a book! We might have two already, I could elaborate the Lands of Pain myth and have an idea for the snowflake hiveling also, but need to ask Alt first, if my idea is ok with him. Then we bring Mira to write one for the living sand hiveling, Judy for the malise one... and you write a bunch as well 


I wondered if people were still up for any of that. I don’t mind writing a few myself (in fact, as I find myself in a mythological mood lately, I’d be happy to) but I will explode if I try to tackle them all. So really I just thougt I’d throw a bunch of vague ideas up in the air and see if anyone was interested enough to claim them. I very much doubt that all of these are worth following through, but some sound like they’d be fun to pursue, or I think so. And of course, if anyone’s got an idea that isn’t there, they’re welcome to write it/ suggest it for others to pick up.

>Aeruillin Svaigja (big curvy sand-ladies anyone?)

>Dusty the wish-granting horse-hiveling

>Land of pain ter-ter hiveling (I think Talia gets first refusal on this)

>Nohopuku devouring hiveling of Nybelmar EDIT: done, possibly not very well, by me.
found here. shame we only have one non- sarvonian story. see if we've time/energy to remedy that. (http://www.santharia.com/lore/nohopuku_hiveling_myth.htm)

>Possible mullog story with “joyful eru”? EDIT: done by me.
available here. (http://www.santharia.com/lore/naule_and_the_ancestors_song.htm)

>Should have something with malise, probably, maybe including Fu’s idea of malise “speech”? Edit: done by Fu
i love this story. (http://www.santharia.com/library/santhalan_bedtime_stories/texts/the_bees_gift.htm)

>Headless highwayman style of thing with pikewing moth hiveling? (dunno if that’s really worth it)

>Maybe something with orcs or half orcs, ‘cos of the whole body-language thing? EDIT: done in Vubuaz entry, not that other explorations wouldn't be welcome
available Here. (http://www.santharia.com/lore/ewynine_and_the_aekash.htm)

>Snowflake hiveling, featuring the beautiful Goddess Nechya and the daring hero Uraghadze, as suggested by Alt. EDIT: done by Alt. which can be found in THIS entry.part of another entry, so needs an intro of its own. (http://www.santharia.com/bestiary/fisah_eck_shanno.htm)

>ALSO: Athviaro's awesome Ciosan hiveling.  found here.  (http://www.santharia.com/lore/founding_of_ciosa.htm)

>AND: this little scrap of nothing: found here. (http://www.santharia.com/lore/dronomin_and_the_losthane.htm)


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 15 July 2009, 00:15:46
No, no horse for me! That must have been somebody else!

I'll do the black dragon one from the Lands of Pain. Maybe, if 'Alt is ok, the snow hiveling, later. (Maybe he wants to write it himself!)

We should talk about, how we do it - the whole template or just an introduction and the myth - the last would be easier for now and surely attract more people. If a myth stands more or less alone, I like the long version, if more at one place in a book e.g., the simpler ones are nicer.

Hmm, of course, one could do both variations , the whole thing and include in the book the short form of it.

So, people, go ahead!



Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 15 July 2009, 01:20:13
I might be interested in helping here.  And Talia, nothing says the Snowflake Hiveling can't have 2 myths.. or we can collaborate.  Or... I can just stay out of it.  Whichever works best. :D


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 15 July 2009, 01:55:36
No, Altario, go on with your myth, I just thought you had said at some point you don't like writing myths. I forgot the idea anyhow I had in mind ;)

Another one was though to link Kor'och to a hiveling - not attacking him or he survives that dangerous creature.... but all is up to you!!! I'm busy with mine!


There is just one things which came to my mind - we should write a myth, right? Not the description of a certain apparition.


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 15 July 2009, 04:27:45
yeah, those were just starting points to write whatever kinda myth people want. and sorry Talia, I put the brackets (parentheseseseseseses) next to the wrong idea. fixed now.
what about having one bit at the start of the book, with a generalised preamble bit, then the rest can all be the simpler structure? that way it'd be clearer how the stories all tie together, as well.
oh, yeah, and I had an idea for a silverwood hiveling mullog-myth, possibly featuring Naule. So I provisionally baggsy that one. :p


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 15 July 2009, 04:36:16
And you do the first one ;)


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 15 July 2009, 04:41:05
Sure, but not till I've seen the others, or I expect it'll be tricky to draw parallells between them. :grin:


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 18 July 2009, 18:44:26
I'd love to get involved, but I'll be stupidly busy until October at least. I don't want to hold the project up, so please don't wait for me.

But if the myth book is still open for contributions in autumn, and there's still space for a little story, I might try my hand at one.



Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 19 July 2009, 01:10:32
Any form of writing from you is welcome by default, Mr. Anfang sir. :grin:
I 'spect this'll take a while, so whenever and if ever you feel like playing with large quantities of bugs, you're welcome to. :)


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 20 July 2009, 16:05:17
In the before time, when gods walked the world with men, the hero Uraghadze Hanno-eck-Icsain, Uraghadze Ice-Hand, had many adventures.  Now it happened that one spring, after a very long and cold winter, his clan was short on meat.  Uraghadze decided to go off in search of game.  He travelled to the Gathorn Mountains, where prey was more plentiful.  Once there, it did not take long before he came across the track of a Tar’andus deer.  Gripping his spear tighter in anticipation of a fruitful hunt, Uraghadze set off after the animal.

Now, as much as Uraghadze was loved and revered by his clan, he had garnerred the ire of a number of the gods.  In particular, Necteref hated the hero for killing his animal companion, Caracal.  Necteref too was in the mountains that day, and he did spy the hero on his hunt, and decided to make mischief on him.

Uraghadze trudged on through the mountains, further and further, lured by a great Tar'andus buck, with a rack greater than Uraghadze had ever seen before.  His heart beat strongly in his chest, as he imagined the amount of meat this magnificent creature would bring.  Onward he ventured, each time only catching a glimpse of the buck as it trotted over the next ridge.

The Tar'andus buck was no other than Necteref, leading the hero further and further away.  The god had a plan, as dark and evil as there ever had been.  Necteref knew that within the Gathorn Mountains, there existed a creature so foul, so dangerous, that the hero would not be able to save himself through strength alone, nor with cunning.  The god was leading Uraghadze toward a froth of Fisah-eck-Shanno, the Snowflake insects.

For five days and five nights, Uraghadze chased the buck, always just out of range to throw his spear.  On the sixth day, Uraghadze stopped, his body aching from the effort; his belly crying out for food; his hands and feet numb from the cold.  He sank to his knees, and and tilted back his head, letting forth a howl of rage that shook the very mountains themselves.  He had failed his people, and now they would die without the food the buck would have brought.

As he knelt there, tears streaming down his face, forming a trail of ice along his cheek, he saw with wonder the buck approaching him.  Uraghadze tried to heft his giant spear, but his strength was gone and he could not.  Then, as he watched helplessly, the buck stood up on its hind legs.  The great rack that Uraghadze had so wanted to take as a trophy, seemed to melt away, and the front legs became hands.  The buck's face then transformed, and the true form of Necteref was revealed to the hero.

"Why?  Why have you deceived me so my people shall die of hunger?"

"Your crime is arrogance, Uraghadze.  Arrogance in thinking that you are equal to a god; arrogance in thinking that you could challenge and kill Caracal without incurring my wrath; and arrogance in thinking that Nechya, the mother of your kind, will always be there to help you.  For this crime, the punishment is death."

To the hero's horror, he saw that Necteref was standing near a small alicott bush, of which a large froth had hardened around its base.  Now it started to tremble, and soon it began to crack and split.  First one, then another and another, of small white insects emerged from the brown coloured froth.  Some began to roll and crawl across the snowtop, heading toward Uraghadze, while others expanded and were picked up on the wind that came from Necteref as he blew them toward the mortal.

Uraghadze tried to run, but his legs would not obey him, and he could not move.  As he knelt in the snow, he lifted his chin proudly and faced the vengeful god before him.  "Then I die, but I die a man!  I die a child of Nechya, having lived with her grace, and it is my honour to do so."

A smile crossed the face of the god, and he looked upon the mortal with contempt.  "Yes, you will die, human.  Alone, cold, and in much pain."  The image of the god then transformed once more to the shape of the buck.  It then turned and bounded easily through the snow and far away.

Uraghadze watched the buck disappear, then looked at the approaching terror; resigned to his fate.  As the first insects neared him, so that he closed his eyes and awaited their painful burrowing into his flesh, he was surprised when it did not come.  He opened his eyes again, and watched in wonder as the insects nearest him stopped their advance.

Like an eddy in a body of water, the snowflakes began to travel in a slow wide circle, slowly traveling inward, tighter and tighter, faster and faster.  Not only the insects on the ground, but those in the air as well, as if blown by a strange wind.  More and more snowflakes gathered, slowly taking shape; slowly getting larger.  Insect against insect; one atop the next, it built upon itself, becoming a mysterious entity.  

Thousands of Fisah-eck-Shanno came together, more than Uraghadze could count; more than there are stars in the night sky.  Slowly they transformed from many small insects to one large creature; its flesh a trembling mass of snowflakes.  This new creature took a shape, and that shape was a woman.  Although its face had no eyes that were real, no mouth that was real, nor any other feature that a face should have, Uraghadze recognized that very face.  It was the goddess Nechya.

Muted, silent, it stared at him with ethereal eyes, its head cocked to one side.  How it was able to stare at him without real eyes, but simply a hole in the writhing mass on snowflakes, cannot be guessed at by mortal minds.  But stare it did, and its mouthed seemed to move as if speaking, but no sound came forth.

Uraghadze could not help but feel a shiver course through him, for he knew he was witnessing the power of the gods; the power of Nechya herself!  Using his spear as a support, he pulled himself to his feet, feeling strength return to him, as if he drew on the power of the goddess.

The creature, the entity, the goddess, for how does one describe such a being, then lifted an arm and pointed.  Insects swarmed about the limb, causing it to form, dissolve, then reform again many times over and over.  It was solid, and as smoke all at once.  Real and nightmare.

Uraghadze understood.  He was to leave; to get as far from there as he could.  Leaning heavily on his spear, he hurried away, looking over his shoulder often to see if the creature would follow, but it did not.  Rather, it stood motionless, yet constantly moving, its arm outstretched in its invocation.  Then, all at once, the creature collapsed in a grand display of swarming Fisah-eck-Shanno.  But Uraghadze was safe; far from the white terror.

The hero made his way back.  Down from the mighty Gathorn Mountains, back to the empty flatness of the Frozen Wastes he walked.  Though he lived, spared by the mercy of the goddess Nechya, his heart was heavy, for he returned with no meat.  How many of his people would die without the food he was to bring?  He had failed them.

Suddenly, as his clan came into view, there stood before him a majestic deer, its antlers twice the size of the rack he had seen on the buck that was Necteref.  This meat would save his people, feeding them for a long time.  Taking aim, Uraghadze threw his spear with all his strength.  His aim was true, and the Tar'andus buck was felled.

As he picked up the carcass and threw it over his shoulders to carry home, he looked to the sky, and gave his thanks to the great mother, Nechya.


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 20 July 2009, 19:09:31
Wow, Alt! That is spectacular, thank you! her is an aura as a token of my slightly sugar-rush-enhanced appreciation! ^.^


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 21 July 2009, 00:02:32
I agree very nicely done!  Perhaps you should post a copy in the Myths forum so that it can get approved and put up on site in the next update as the first of the hiveling Myths?

@Art/Seth:  As these myths go up, would it be possible to set up some sort of series of hyperlinks in the hivelings entry to link the reader to "further reading" even though they are not directly cross referenced in the entry?  (Assuming Seth is OK with it of course)


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 21 July 2009, 00:36:49
I didn't put it up in the Myths section because it hadn't been intended as a stand alone project.  Rather, it is intended for a "book" of Hiveling myths that Seth is creating.

Still, if you think its best I post it there I will.  I didn't really want the responsibility of doing all the extras, like overview, importance, etc... but that's just me being lazy. :rolleyes:

Let me know what you think is best, and I will comply. :D


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 21 July 2009, 01:53:58
I have read it though it is not in the cosml. board and didn't find anything wrong with it, in the contrary..

But, you need an introduction nevertheless, Alt, and then it can stand alone as well. There is not  a whole template needed, especially not if it goes in a book.

Drasil, I think Seth can crossreference them once they are done, it is just difficult to crossreference if nothing is there ;)


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 21 July 2009, 06:39:59
I'm going to share this myth between both the Hiveling and the Snowflake.  I have put a short introduction in the Snowflake entry that can be used with this as well. :D


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 21 July 2009, 07:13:40
With regards to the cross referencing entries that don't exist yet, is it possible to name the tribes and associated myth and at a later stage add in the links to the myth when the entries are written?


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 25 July 2009, 10:08:08
Hey Alt,

aura from me, too! A splendid story! The transformation of the deadly danger into the saviour goddess is breathtaking.

I've only one consideration to offer: I was not familiar with the Snowflakes when I first read your myth, and I found that I was not quite able to appreciate, at first, the full terror of the hero's situation. Now, you may want it that way, i.e. you may want to assume the reader's knowledge. But if you don't, you might want to consider adding (after the paragraph ending ".. he blew them toward the mortal") something like:

"Uraghadze knew that these insects were Fisah-eck-Shannon - creatures as small as they were deadly, who would bite into his skin, burrow into his flesh, and infests it with maggots who would eat his living body from the inside until nothing but bones and hair would be left."

This would also address another little confusion I had, because when you first mention the name "Fisah-eck-Shannon", it took me a little while to guess that this is Remusian for Snowflake. (Not too  hard to guess for me, but I'm thinking here of a reader who may be new to Santharia and who may benefit from more explicitness.)

Oh, and I found two (possible) typos:

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Like an eddy in a body of water, the snowflakes began to travel in a slow wide circle, slowing traveling inward, tighter and tighter, faster and faster.  Not only the insects on the ground, but those in the air as well, as if blown by a strange wind.  More and more snowflakes gathered, slowing taking shape; slowing getting larger.  Insect against insect; one atop the next, it built upon itself, becoming a mysterious entity.

Should the red words be "slowly"?

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Muted, silent, it stared at him with ethereal eyes, its head cocked to one side.  How it was able to stare at him withut real eyes, but simply a hole in the writhing mass on snowflakes, cannot be guessed at by mortal minds.

... without ...


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 25 July 2009, 23:08:28
All right, I know I said I didn't have time, but a tenacious hiveling grabbed me and refused to let go. Also, there was a rainy afternoon last week, when my girlfriend and I had intended to go on a cycle ride ...

So I've posted a story in the Mythology forum.   :D


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 26 July 2009, 05:01:01
Thank you Shaba! It is a truly brlliant story and I'm indebted to you.


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 01 August 2009, 17:44:06
Hey Alt,

Now that you're back, I thought I'd let you know that there are a few comments on your splendid Snowflake Hiveling Myth hidden in this thread. Three posts up!

Shabakuk


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 02 August 2009, 00:17:08
Aha.. thank you, I will read then revise.  Got missed in the avalanche of new posts in the week I was gone.  Thank you for the heads up and for the perusal and comments. :D


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 08 August 2009, 17:28:23
it may have taken a ridiculous number of tantrums and "burn-it-to-the-ground-and-start-again" rewrites, but i finally finished the myth i started ages ago.  :buck:
sticking it up in the cosm board shortly> here it is (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,13760.0.html)


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 25 September 2009, 09:02:50
Hey Altario,

I'm anxious to prevent your marvellous Snowflake-Hiveling myth from being forgotten. It seems to me it's at risk of getting lost, as it's still hidden within this thread. Why not submit it in the library? It would be the third Hiveling story, which may then warrant the creation of the hiveling book?


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 16 October 2009, 04:39:33
another one up for coments;
the nohopuku (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,13906.0.html)


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 21 September 2010, 20:02:01
thread necromancy i know, but i want to pull this up where i can see it as it has useful bits.
also, if anyone's interested in writing a hiveling myth then feel free! they're always welcome. just let me know, so i can incorporate it into the introduction.


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Athviaro Shyu-eck-Silfayr on 22 September 2010, 02:40:13
Hey seth! I have sort-of hiveling myth (although it kind of follows a different track to just being about them, being about the founding of Ciosa) which I though -might- be involveable.

Anyway, I will post it and then we can see.

EDIT: Posted and is here (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,14613.msg185451.html#msg185451).


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 22 September 2010, 18:31:06
Athviaro, Thankyou!
firstly, for adding a story to the collection, which is always welcome. and they don't have to be stories about hivelings soo much as featuring them, so yours is fine.
secondly, for doing it so quickly,
and thirdly, for doing it with such style and to fit so perfectly a gap between myth and history!
i'd give you an aura for each of these great acheivements, but that would break the rules, so you get one, and my undying gratitude... [rummages in pockets] and this small wriggly thing which is now trying to bite me. all yours! :grin:


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Athviaro Shyu-eck-Silfayr on 22 September 2010, 18:52:28
Thank you, thank you, and thank you. I wonder...I have to feed the plants in a minute, I think I know just the place for this wriggly thing...

You will never bite another Compendiumist! Mwah-ha-ha-haw!

*Cackles evilly*


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 22 September 2010, 20:18:33
Oh, those Greenhouse Man-traps? You know, they start life as wriggly newts trying to bite Compendiumists.

Once one tastes a compendiumist, once always longs for one, I suppose...


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 22 September 2010, 22:26:48
grabs ink and paper, and quietly follows Athviaro. finally, the chance to observe the life cycle in full... :grin:


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 25 September 2010, 22:56:12
Hi Seth,

Might it be a good idea to put a list of completed Hiveling myths in the first post of this thread, and to include both those myths that have their separate entries, and those that are part of other entries, such as Altario's Snowflake Hiveling story?

That way, we could see what's still needed for the book. For example, the myths that are part of longer entries might need a book-specific introduction?


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 25 September 2010, 23:21:33
THIS (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,13707.msg170709.html#msg170709)
is a good point! i'll get on that directly. :grin:


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Athviaro Shyu-eck-Silfayr on 26 September 2010, 03:39:37
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Athviaro's awesome Ciosan hiveling

*Blushes* Aww, thanks seth! People'll get a really wrong idea of it now!

Athvi


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 20 December 2010, 20:43:15
right, well i'm finally back on this again, so here is a list of things to do, also functioning as a placeholder so i don't lose this thread:
>a general introduction to all. might do this from Seth's point of view? either way, try and collect and sum up all the different myths and say something newish.
> short intro for Alt's story
> another story from outside sarvonia? only got one at the minute, it'd be nice to add a little more variety.


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 20 December 2010, 21:39:55
Seth,

An idea for a R'unorian Hiveling myth came to me featuring bats ... the Hiveling Creature entry mentioned bats and birds as alts to insects ... so I thought I'd give that a go.


Title: Re: hiveling myths
Post by: seth ghibta on 20 December 2010, 22:13:08
that'd be brilliant Dek! it'd certainly be good to have a myth featuring the more unusual animals they can use, if you want to write that i'd be forever in your debt. :D