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Santharian World Development => Santharian Artists Workshop and Resources => Topic started by: Shayan Ashkani on 14 November 2009, 00:02:12



Title: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 14 November 2009, 00:02:12
Um yes. I'm starting really small. (and I'm a little confused if this is the right place to start this kind of thread)

I recently got a new computer (hurray) which was not working well (not so hurray) and after doing some tinkering I eventually had to return it, which was really just a real big disappointment since I had waited on it for so long already. Got it back now, let's hope it stays on duty for a while.

So I haven't gotten around painting much yet. Finished this picture recently and though it's just a portrait I figured I could put it up here in case anyone was interested while I work on new stuffs.

I can repaint the clothes and the chain if you want something else :) just let me know what you need.



Picture 01... (we all have to start somewhere)

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/mutebanshee/Maximiliaan72.jpg)


Picture 2
My version of a Diorye'oleal priest (with a slightly different take on the hair)  I will probably touch it up a little later but until I have my good pc back, this is the best I can do on a low resolution.   To top it off it looks corrupted. It doesn't show that way in Painter, but I saved it anew a bunch of times and it keeps on showing noise -_-  I hope to resolve it soon.  Maybe you guys can use it, maybe not. Else I'll just use it for my avatar when the Dior Priests get in the clear ;)

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/mutebanshee/Dioryeoleal1.jpg)




Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Seeker on 14 November 2009, 01:05:54
Well done, I am glad to see you are still around.  I am sure Art can start a proper resource thread for you if it becomes necessary.

Shayna let me know if you have a list of Santharian entries you want to illustrate.  I am trying to keep a master list so that the artists now what each other are working on.  This will prevent all of us from accidentally drawing the same entry (which I admit may be a far fetched occurence)

If you want to keep the list to yourself that is of course no problem either  ;).  Sometimes we like to keep the pictures secret until they are revealed.


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 14 November 2009, 01:06:59
A lovely pic! I like the shading and the eyes are very attractive.

Erm..

Is it a male or female? It looks to be in the "anime" drawn style and often those kinds of characters are androgynous looking types. The large eyes, thin chin and hair point in that direction.

May I suggest a bit more decoration or style to his/her shirt?


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Seeker on 14 November 2009, 01:12:20
I would suggest to let someone request the picture for a particualr entry first.  I am sure at that point Shayan will be willing to modify the shirt or any other details to the specific entry.  Otherwise he will keep changing the pic over and over and that is rather tedious.


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 14 November 2009, 01:36:17
Absolutely right, Seeker! I am getting ahead of myself.  :rolleyes:

Well, I would say that this picture looks elven, or half-elven. Seems a bit too delicate to be human.

Possible entry suggestions:

Eir Melone Swanvild (http://www.santharia.com/people/melone_swanvild.htm) - Need a female for this one, but the appearance seems about right.

An Ifer'hém elf (http://www.santharia.com/tribes/elves/ifer_hem.htm) - Seems like a nice fit here, too.

The Cyrathrhim elves (http://www.santharia.com/tribes/elves/cyrathrhim.htm) - No tribe picture yet (although, the entry states no one really knows what they look like...)



Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 14 November 2009, 02:16:58
Okeydokey, your Resources thread can now be accessed from the side menu as well, Shayan! :) So good to hear that you're back again, hopefully with a working computer! I'm sure we'll find a place for this portrait eventually - this might take some time, though ;)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 14 November 2009, 05:23:36
Welcome back, Shayon!  :D


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 14 November 2009, 07:39:15
Thank you :)

(well yes I hope computer troubles are done. It's been such a long history of those and I thought I was finally seeing the end of it :/ )


@Azhira  Well, let me put it this way. If I had painted a woman, it is my belief that you would have had no doubt that she was such ;)  So it's a boy. He's fairly young (teens) which adds to the androgynous look.  It's true that I'm influenced by manga (but especially European comics) but I still veer much more towards realism than most people influenced by that kind of asian imagery.  (I guess this means I will be painting elves mostly?)

I can add some pointy ears, and change the clothes/accesories to an entry's needs but I don't want to change the gender.


@Seeker yes! I think I should because you keep painting stuff I wanted to do haha :D (and doing a marvelous job at it too ;)) No worries, it's perfectly fine since I can find hundreds of paint-worthy entries, I just think it's rather funny we keep picking out the same stuff!
I'm not that much available anyway considering my workload just about doubled. I'm just a sidekick on the dev-board, and I don't mind :)

So considering that. I will probably just pick out one thing at the time. Better for my health too. Should I PM that to you?


Thank you for the thread Art! Slow progress is still better than none but at least I made a start now :D



Also, in general if the/my style is not suitable (for Santharia) that's perfectly fine. I'm putting him up here in case someone can use the picture, I really won't be offended or put off if there's no use for it in the end :) just saying.




Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 14 November 2009, 07:57:10
Shayan, I had no doubt, that this is a boy! (*mother speaking*)

Your style is excellent, I love it very much. I always admire the smoothness of the skin. But maybe I have just found out, how to do this! :D

Edit: I would like to claim this portrait for me (well, actually for Gean), for one of the most important persons in Strata's history, for

Drafas Tristin, Founder of Strata (http://www.santharia.com/people/drafas.htm)

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As a young kid he became like many other youngsters with him impressed by the legions of  Voldar fighting for the cause of their country and as youth of sixteen Drafas joined the Erpheronian army.

The picture could show him at the age of sixteen, ordered by a mother who wanted not to loose him entirely. 

That entry needs to be updated at some point, maybe Gean would do it sometimes. But we can put this picture there and replace the black/white one.

What do you say, could I have this cute youngster?

I would only ask to replace the chain with something Erpheronian, but I have to think about first, what could that be.


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 15 November 2009, 09:45:46
I'd love the picture to be used for Drafas Tristin :)

I'm sure we can make it very fitting ^_^


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 15 November 2009, 19:18:41
Me too, I'll help you!


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 20 March 2010, 09:28:14
Added a doodle. Which somehow doesn't want to show right :(


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Irid alMenie on 20 March 2010, 17:06:20
Shayan, I was wondering if I could use that first picture as an avatar for a character idea that I have for over on the RPG board...


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 20 March 2010, 19:35:04
Ah, did I forget to write you about this one? Shayan, I'll write you on Monday (busy this weekend) for a slight addition to make Tristan's  heritage visible.

Your second pic looks aready now great as well.. :)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Seeker on 21 March 2010, 04:11:29
oooh I like the face on that second one.  Good shading.    :thumbup: :thumbup:


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 21 March 2010, 07:34:33
Greetings, Shayan. It's always good to welcome such talent to our Dream.

I see that you say you may be painting mainly elves, due to correlation between their androgynous appearance and your prefered style. Might I suggest that you take a look at orcs as well?
Strange as it may seem, but facially, male and female orcs can be quite similar. Obviously, the males are much heavier in build, and not all tribes share this vague androgeny, but it wouldn't take much tweaking to change a female face into a male one, or vice versa.

Perhaps Dwarves could be another option? They have so much hair on and around their faces that it can be difficult to tell the sexes apart! Facially, at least.


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 22 March 2010, 00:32:15
In general:  I can change the Diorye'oleal's hair to make it more naturalistic and ditch the stylized look if that's preffered. I can also get rid of the long ponytail if needed.
I'm not implying it should be used, just that I can change it if it would suit Santharia better.


@Irid Thank you for asking :) it's always a compliment, so I feel honoured.
The picture's already been spoken for by Talia, though.
If you don't mind a rough work, maybe I can try to paint something for you specifically? I don't have a good pc right now and little time so the work won't be as polished as the top picture, but I could give it a try if you pm me the CD :)

@Talia ok I'll be awaiting your pm! I have about 3-5 weeks before I leave the country for a few months and (still) not a good pc atm so the sooner the better!

@Seeker thank you ^_^ (I really like your Tharoc btw)

@Tharoc  Thanks! I mostly enjoy painting elves because I like the androgynous look of the men. It's not so much that I find it difficult to differentiate between masculine and feminine drawing-wise but more what I like to draw. Even so, your suggestion was interesting, because lately I have become more interested in backgrounds and painting other races and painting masculinity in general. So when I get back from my trip I'll probably dabble a bit in those too!


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Bard Judith on 22 March 2010, 14:53:15
Shayan, I love your Dior priest!   Just the right amount of arrogance mixed with beauty.  I would indeed destylize the hair (though I love what you've done to create a very graphic, striking look, a more naturalistic style is generally preferred for Dream illustrations) and perhaps add just a bit of ornamentation to the lapels in that Dior irregular style.  I'm creating a master Styles list, with illustrations, and will steal a crop of this picture as a perfect example of the type.   


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 22 March 2010, 21:19:07
Shayan, I did some research and I fear I have to write another person's entry to explain, why Drafas Tristin did not look like an Erpheronian. ;)

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Aside from the very widespread red and brunette hair colours blond is also encountered to a minimal extent in the original Erpheronian territories, however, raven haired people were practically non-existing initially, and if so, they were seen as bad omen and Coór-ridden due to superstitious beliefs. This superstition of course didn't survive the unification with Centorauria, where people with raven hair are pretty common, and so reservations soon were overcome when the tribes began to mix.
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Well, that is no problem, we just say, the picture of him was painted much later, after the Erpheronians mixed with the Caltharians. Then we could add an Erpheronian symbol, the phoenix as well..  :grin:

What I propose to change now is following:

- add a red stroke in his hair, but only if it is good looking, I can write around it as well and explain his black hair. Maybe he went to Strata because he had black hair ;)

- make his clothes look a bit more noble - noble , but worn down, maybe just try to make his clothes a bit more shiny, or add some highlights to the collar, anything you can think of.

- The most important thing would be to replace his jewellery with something else - a pendant in the form of a phoenix. That symbol for the Erpheronian comes later in history, but I think it would fit nevertheless, even if historically incorrect.

Maybe I need to write an entry about your picture and not about Drafas ;)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 22 March 2010, 23:46:41
I just got the joyous news my 'good' pc is finally repaired.  Will be picking it up this week and then I'll try to change both pics asap considering my date of departure is coming up fast.

@Judith: Do you have specific ornament in mind for the 'lapels' or shall I just go with what feels right?

@Talia:  I can make Drafas a brunet with some russet hints, I think, while still trying to keeping the overall darkness that adds to the mood of the pic (maybe changing the lightsource a bit)  I'll tinker around with it a bit so you can take your pick from a few options.  I'll try to reflect that in the clothing as well ^_^


Thanks for the responses and suggestions all! I'll give it my best shot :)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 22 March 2010, 23:57:24
Don't worry about the hair colour, if you like the black better, I'll write around it :D


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 23 March 2010, 02:56:53
Great to see you back, Shayan! It has been quite a while since we heard from you... Let's hope your PC works perfectly fine now for the rest of the century and you can finish up a picture and get it up on site finally! I'm looking forward to it :D  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Bard Judith on 23 March 2010, 08:50:30
Shayan:  the irregular, dramatic styling which most people associate with the Dior is epitomized in this illustration of a Coor'hem elven girl:

(http://www.santharia.com/pictures/koldar/coorhem_girl.htm)
http://www.santharia.com/pictures/koldar/coorhem_girl.htm (http://www.santharia.com/pictures/koldar/coorhem_girl.htm)

The asymmetrical swirls you see on the doorframe in the background would look stunning as embroidery along the hems and lapels of your priest.... and I promise I'd have a spot for them when you're done!

Thanks so much - my Styles entry will be the stronger for it.


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 24 March 2010, 21:50:27
Ok! Got my pc back.

...with half of my RAM (argh...can't it ever go right ONCE?! :cry: it's just beyond frustrating!)

but; still sorta-good-to-go! I have an emergency colouring job (they sure don't waste time to drag me off by the hair heh) but after that I'll get right to it!

@Talia: I'll try to get an Erpheronian feel by enhancing the palette with gold and reds.  I figured I could paint flames for embroidery because they could symbolize the phoenix, the sun and the dragon all at once.  I might paint a sun symbol instead of a phoenix if I get too short on time, but my first aim is a feniks.


@Judith ok! I'll try my best and see if I can enhance the colour too since it's a bit too bland right now and the monochrome doesn't give the effect I was looking for


@Artimidor: yes! I hope it will run for a century now :D I don't think I could survive the disappointment of another malfunction because it's not the first time things went haywire tech wise. It really made me feel bad to have to cancel so many projects because of it...again


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 25 March 2010, 00:10:30
:)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 25 March 2010, 03:15:46
Just a quick show to ask if I'm going in the right direction.

I changed the palette to fit the general idea of the Proudmen a little more. I made his hair longer since nobles often had it around shoulder length.
I'm tinkering around with the embroidery.  Just let me know if you'd rather see something different while I'm still in the middle of the process :)
I'll define the chest a little more, but the original character was a scrawny mage so I can't really make him look warrior all of a sudden ;) and the phoenix pendant will probably obscure most of it.


(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/mutebanshee/DrafasTristin_001.jpg) (http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/mutebanshee/?action=view&current=DrafasTristin_001.jpg)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 25 March 2010, 03:34:41
Great changes so far, Shayan! Colour changes are nice, as is the embroidery, very nice! And the phoenix idea for the pendant of course is also great, so this seems to be coming along very well!

And that's good, because we can really use a picture of such a key person as Drafas - for one to replace the old black/white drawing in his entry, and secondly it will make a nice addition to our history tables. Having facing there one can associate with history events makes things much easier, as tables full of texts just don't look that good and don't give the read much anchor points. So very much appreciated that we get this one sorted out!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Bard Judith on 25 March 2010, 14:08:39
Ditto - I love the enhancements.  Personally, I'm jealous of your 'embroidery' technique and will probably steal it for my next dress illustration.... :)   very effective way to suggest the threads and their silky layering....

For the Dior guy, if you're going to add just a hint of colour, may I suggest moody blues and purples?   Just to keep the palette pretty monochromatic and brooding?  I'm looking forwards to seeing what you do with him!  (perhaps even that bluish shine to the hair ala Clark Kent....)  :D


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Bard Judith on 25 March 2010, 14:09:07
P.S.  Aura point for you!  Bravo!


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 25 March 2010, 20:16:33
I love him, Shayan! He doesn't have to look like a overmuscled warrior! After all, he had some magic traits ...

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    'We had only rode a few minutes when we heard a very familiar roaring sound and when we looked up it was indeed what we feared at the hearing of the sound. A dragon had pursued us and sure was going to ruin our newly founded city. But before our eyes the great creature landed softly before us and with a unhunman shriek he fell down upon the ground, changing form… to become our king! We were astonished and couldn’t speak a word, but instead he did: "Go back, go back and leave me be, you can’t help me, not now, not ever." That’s when he run away. It took us a few seconds to recover from what we had seen and we tried to pursue our leader and find him, but we lost him.'

It is said that ultimately Drafas took a dragon form to become the only Dragon south of the Anaios Gap, but his lair has never been found.


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 28 March 2010, 10:42:08
Well then, here it is :)


(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j237/mutebanshee/DrafasTristin_001-1.jpg)




Unfortunately I feel very very stupid :(  I accidentally saved the merged low res work over my layer file.  So I really hope this is to everyone's liking because I won't be able to edit things anymore. -_-  I'm so sorry. I had planned to so some different things because I didn't like the embroidery like this and my second attempt was no good either.  I guess I'll have to work extra hard on the Dior's embroidery then heh.   (Oh and if I come across other handy techniques for embroidery I'll let you know Judith ^_^)

*looks at it*  ....why didn't I make the chain gold! *facepalm*




 



Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 28 March 2010, 16:20:06
It's great, Shayan! Don't worry! The leather 'chain' is fine also. After all this guy left his homeland to become an adventurer, he may have lost it on is way, and this leather thread he made out of /was given to him by... no problem :)

Ready for integration in the Drafas entry and Strata ! :D

Do you have a tutorial how to do this kind of embroidery or is it just painted stitch by stitch?


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Smee on 28 March 2010, 18:59:12
+ Aura from me - that is a very cool pic.

Happy Dreaming  :)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Seeker on 30 March 2010, 04:21:38
This really is a great picture.  I love the necklace.  You have a very nice style of painting.

 :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:


I hope we see more of you, more often.


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 30 March 2010, 04:34:27
Yep, I agree - great picture, Shayan, and it can be used the way it is methinks :D Cool embroidery, absolutely lovely necklace with very fitting phoenix, it's really very well executed! :thumbup: And of course that means another aura +1 for you! Should go up next update then!

Just remember next time to save your files properly! One never knows when one can use an older version... ;)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 31 March 2010, 19:29:06
@all   Many thanks to everyone for help, praise, suggestions and aura :D I'm glad you guys like the pendant. It took me quite some time to design ^_^ but I am happy with it now ^^

I'm back at my old computer again. My new one tripped and choked and...oh I don't know. I'm just done with it right now.  I hope to get it running again soon but I can't tell. I hope I can finish the Dior painting before I leave. That's my aim at least.  I guess I'm just a complete jinx around all things computer-y :( It's so disheaertening.

@seeker  I'm afraid you won't see much more, more often of me, considering. But I'll try to do what I can heh.

@Talia the stitches are separately painted, and pretty coarse in this piece. You can break it up in smaller sections per shape to get more of a traditional embroidery feel.  Then I hit the 'preserve transparency' box in either Painter or Phshop (but I use painter 98% of the time for all my paintings) and you can add highlighting and shadows.  Try to make sure the folds and greases in the fabric itself are mimicked and play around a bit with the overlay layer settings :) they are very useful to create a shiny, intense look on many occasions.  Embroidery is also one of the three things I occasionally use the 'dodge' feature for (photoshop only. The one in Painter is terrible) The other being the supreme highlights of hair (but only rarely because it easily gets overdone and I tend to get carried away) and gemstones.

For this piece changed the layer opacity to blend it more into the fabric and I used a blending tool to soften the edges though that actually lessens the feeling of embroidery I thought it looked better here. If you have a very 'sharp' painting, the edges of the embroidery should also have highlights and shadows respectively  where they go through the fabric instead of just on top as I did now. That has the potential to make it very realistic looking, but only if it's a (sharp) close-up :)  

If the embroidery needs only be suggested instead of clearly seen, don't bother to paint all the seperate threads.  Paint the silhouet shapes on a seperate layer. Mulitply that one to incorporate the shape of the garment (folds etc) it and create another copy you set to overlay, painting along with those folds again and adding shinies :)  This of course, goes especially well for gold foil/leaf.

(I'm sorry I'm not commenting much on other threads, but I hope to do that again when I get back and am less time/energy challenged)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 31 March 2010, 23:26:05
Thanks Shayan for the explicit description how you do these things! I will safe that for later use!

I'm a beginner with Painter though and am more often frustrated than content, for it does not what I want it to do.  :evil: Or it does it one time and not a second .
Well, I don't have photoshop, but PL32, a similar software - with this one I'm by now much better, but it is not painter. Maybe I should use artrage , it looks easier ;)

Thanks again :)


Title: Re: Shayan's picture resources
Post by: Shayan Ashkani on 01 April 2010, 03:29:47
You're very welcome :D

ArtRage is a lot simpler but has a very intuitive interface. Other programs you could consider are OpenCanvas and Paint Tool SAI.  It all comes down to personal preferences.

As for Painter...I admit the program is a bit of a tough cookie to learn and in the beginning especially it's challenging and sometimes overwhelming.  I recognize the feeling that it never seems to do the same thing twice in the beginning, but it's just a very, very nuanced program, which in the beginning may seem a little redundant, but will work in your favour later on.
Getting a grip on this beautiful program is (in my personal experience) very rewarding.  Once you get to understand its different behaviours and interactions and your personal work flow starts picking up by knowing and feeling as you develop a way that works for you, it goes from struggling to pure creation joy :) It is by far my favourite program to work in.

If you have any questions about painter at all, or a certain thing or look  you want to achieve or are struggling with, feel free to send me a note (or post it on the board) and I'll help you whenever I can ^_^ I'm no master at it, but I love learning and sharing new things :)