Santharian Development

Here is a list of weapons that are mentioned in the various weapons overviews but do not have their own entries. They long for their own entries.  For those of you who are new to Santharia or perhaps you are just looking for a relatively simple entry to work on THIS IS THE PLACE FOR YOU.

If you would like to create an entry for one of these killing devices feel free to let us know in this thread.  When creating a weapons entry please use the weapons template (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,9725.0.html).

It is preferable to develop weapons specific to a tribe (don't forget about the Orcs, Elves and hobbits etc.)  So when choosing a weapon below if it is not alread associated with certain group then lets choose one and make the entry fun and unique.

BLUNT Weapons-Club
STRIKER,THE
WARCLUB

BLUNT Weapons-Hammer
WARHAMMER (this should be patterned after the medieval warhammer)

BLUNT Weapons-Mace
Virge
Flanged Mace
Morningstar
Warmace

Daggers
ARHK, THE
T'WEEP, THE
AESTARAN DAGGER, THE
KAAER'DÁR'SHÍN  DAGGER, THE- Azhira
KRAEL  DAGGER, THE
SOPHRONIAN  KNIVES, THE ("TWINS", "CHASTITIES", "MARAUDERS")

Fist Weapons
TOUCH OF DEATH, THE- Valan
Polearms
JARGA (HALBERD), THE

Throwing Weapons
MOONDEATH, Stormraven
NIGHTTOOTH, THE
SEASTAR, THE
STEELURCHIN, THE

Missile Weapons
JHEHELLRHIM  WARBOW, THE
JHEHELLRHIM  CROSSBOW, THE- Agran
KAAER'DÁR'SHÍN BOW, THE-Azhira
REMUSIAN BOW, THE- Shati up
SOR'INYT BOW, THE


One-handed Swords

MOONBLADE, THE- Stormraven
SHORTSWORD, THE (perhaps Elven)- Athviaro
CAÉH-FISH RAPIER, THE- Valan
ICE BLADES, THE CYHALLOIAN
ORCRISTH BLADE, THE
TIQUA SABRE, THE
REMUSIAN ODOMON BLADE- Valan

Axes - these examples would need to be made interesting in some wa, given a unique name,  and associated with a specific tribe.

LIGHT AXE, THE COMMON
SPIKE AXE, THE
BROADAXE, THE
STAR AXE, THE
BATTLE AXE, THE
FANG AXE, THE KURAKIM
TWO-HEADED AXE, THE ("LABRYS")
THROWING AXE, THE-Snatchron

Other Weapons from miscellaneous entries


Armour
SANHORRHIM SHIELD
One of the few truly functional armory items from their warring past, the Sanhorrhim Shield is designed for defense. It is rather tall, about 1.5 peds, and .75 ped wide. It is meant to be hidden behind, as it is awkward to carry and can be cumbersome in hand-to-hand warfare. These shields lack ornamentation, a simple field of sea-green with a light-blue dolphune in the center. Shields at 1/2 this size are popular with Sanhorrmim travellers, who usually trim the Sanhorrhim shield down for better use.

Artifacts
Riton’s Birth-Blade
The famous “Riton’s Birth-Blade” is not, as some Southerners seem to think, a magical sword, but rather a marvelous human-scale axe made for King Minar II’s first son

Quick thought Seeker, perhaps this list belongs up with the other proposals?

While  am not currently up to claiming any of these I would be glad to share my knowledge and input with anyone who needs it. I am a second generation metalsmith(primarily silverwork but I have made a few blades) I also spent the last four years working on and off in a local Swordshop in missouri. I have a pretty extensive knowledge of weapons from bronze age to modern era so feel free to drop me a PM or an email.
*drools at the fact that the infamous Moonblade still has no entry.*

You could reserve it, eh Stormraven?

I know but...With the poisons and my current weapon I would hate to deprive someone else of the oppurtunity. We shall have to see what happens with my othr weapon first. Though it is much easier to develop a weapon that already has so much written about it. I also believe I owe Talia an entry on the Shendar double Kilijj.

There is an entry of the Double Kilij  (http://www.santharia.com/weapons/double_kilij.htm) .   Were you planning on revising it?

Oooops. I should have looked before I opened the proverbial mouth. thanks for the catch there. I had talked about developing it 3 years ago so nevermind that
*Wanders off looking sheepish and muttering about using "search" next time*

Okay I am going to reserve the Moonblade and the Moondeath throwing weapon.

I'll take the The Centoraurian Cavalry Sabre if it is still open.

It's yours Agran.  I have placed your name next to it.   As you develop this entry.... do your research on the entries that relate to this sword... and use the template.  I look forward to what you come up with.

Hi,

I was looking around Nybelmar earlier, and in the Kassite Men Entry (http://www.santharia.com/tribes/humans/kassites.htm), I found the following under weapons. It seems to be a unique Kassite weapon.

The most common weapon among the kassites is the “Tsubar”, a longsword with twohand-hilt and a curved blade. About every adult Kassites has this weapon either inherited from his ancestors or made for him for adulthood.

From what I can see, there isn't currently an entry for it ... and it also doesn't seem to be listed under Seeker's list on the first post of this thread. You might like to add it in case it captures anyone's imagination. :D (I'd imagine it'd go under Swords - 2 handed).

Oh, and I'm not offering to do the entry on it.

Great I will add a section at the bottom for any weapons that we find from miscellaneous entries.

Should I create a new thread in the misc. forums? Even though the Saber is in the Overview?

Yes. That's how it works. Each new entry requires a new topic of it's own.  ;)

I'll do the throwing axe, after your post to my intro. BTW, I (as of now) am a human. Just so you know. My first draft is now up and running, but my browser screwed up, so I couldn't finish it.

Got it Snatchron! Great!   :thumbup:

When you have a draft ready you can post in the Miscellaneous forum.

Quote Snatchron:


Ah, good to know - posts of extraterrestrials are rare at these boards, and we haven't elaborated a strategy yet on how to deal with those...  :shocked:

Well ... I like the Mirror Universe Terran Empire way of dealing with extraterrestrials ... shoot 'em on sight and then enslave them, until they rise up and overthrow their masters. <G>

  :angry: He was simply explaining to me that he was not an Orc.  I have my standards you know.

 NOW GET OUT OF MY THREAD!   :grin:

I WAS going to offer to do another weapon for you ... but seeing you are like that, Seeker ... I'll send Sordoc straight to you! <G>

Oh, Dek, be kind.  He doesn't deserve that.  Nobody deserves THAT.

Oh Dek,  I didn't realize it was you :shocked:.  My sincerest apologies. Please accept this shiny piece of fruit here as a token of my goodwill.  :evil:

We will not be needing Sordoc.

Have you forgotten the good ship Santh Trek already?

Ahh, happy days!

With the 'new breed' of developers around here now adays, maybe we could have Santh Trek: The New Breed or something :D

Seeker, may I reserve the warhammer please?

She's all yours M'ruk.   :grin:

Hang on, someone's already written the Warhammer (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,9579.msg107204.html#msg107204).

Can I do the Seatooth instead please?

Well, that was 2002... So in that case it would be possible to finish this or do it properly, as for some reason it never made it on the site... Unless you prefer the Seatooth of course ;)

If you'd do three things before jumping off of the boat, you might notice that it still needs doing. (Since technically Seeker isn't supposed to be doing all the work on his own)

The First! Check the date. That post was made about seven years ago. Wow. It's old.

The Second! Check to see if it has been integrated. The Warhammer does not have an entry on the main site, which means that post has not been integrated for whatever reason.

The Third! Check to see if the person who posted has been active. Clicking on the profile, we can see that Aylix hasn't logged on to the new forums. Ever.

It's quite open. I would recommend that you don't ignore the work done there. Read through the thread. Comments are always valuable, even if it's as a "how not to do it" guide.

edit: Artimidor pretty much covered that (He is apparently a ninja), but keep these things in mind. It's always nice when you've got some idea of what other people have thought about the same subject. Don't feel afraid to borrow from unfinished versions, even if it's only an idea.

It may be seven years old, but the only thing that needs doing (I think) is a slight tweaking of the origin/history section. I'll do that as well as the Seatooth, if no one minds.

That sounds great M'ruk.  Lets get both of them done proper.  I didn't even realize that Warhammer entry had been drafted, so good find. :thumbup:

Also to be included up here, I especially like that most of these are decidedly ethnic weapons.

Missile Weapons
JHEHELLRHIM  WARBOW, THE
JHEHELLRHIM  CROSSBOW, THE
KAAER'DÁR'SHÍN BOW, THE
REMUSIAN BOW, THE
SOR'INYT BOW, THE

Daggers and Knives
AESTARAN DAGGER, THE
KAAER'DÁR'SHÍN  DAGGER, THE
KRAEL  DAGGER, THE
SOPHRONIAN  KNIVES, THE ("TWINS", "CHASTITIES", "MARAUDERS")

One-handed swords
CAÉH-FISH RAPIER, THE
ICE BLADES, THE CYHALLOIAN
ORCRISTH BLADE, THE
TIQUA SABRE, THE

Also, the Odomon Blade.  It's a hand and a half sword of the Remusians.  Though it need not look like a Katana, I want the same spiritual aspect of creating it stressed.  Much prayer and reverence.  

Tis explained more so in the Remusian Men entry.

Altario, that sounds like an excellent weapon if you wouldn't mind me developing it?

Fill yer boots. :)

Odomon Blades - are they still made? I thought the idea was that no-one knew how Odomon managed to make Remusian steel durable and plastic (which means non-brittle as an adjective or made of plastic. Plastic swords...maybe, maybe :grin: But not in Santh, I think?) Anyway, ?

Je ne comprends pas

Sorry, had a French exam today (IGCSE Oral) and am still in the mode.

Athviaro the Mightily Confused

There is that, but an entry can still be made.

I seem to have missed this, but see the entry (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,14351.msg180835/topicseen.html#new) in any case. I've finished it  :grin:

Great, and I updated the main list.

Now that this has been brought to my attention, you can be assured that full entries on the Kaaer bow and dagger will be forthcoming in the very near future.  :grin:

Will they get better names?

Of course, it was just the way you phrased your post that made it sound like they were still made.

Athviaro the Flying Pompernickel

Hi, I wanted to reserve the Remusian bow entry.

That means you need to suffer my scrutiny.  I'm not easy, as Valan is finding out. :P

I am up for the challenge.  However I make no guarantees that I'll be doing this quickly.

I prefer slow and deliberate to quick and just-get-it-over-with anyway. :D

Alt? Did I say it was hard? I like the new version better in any case. By the way that's Valan with two A's.

Weapons are easy to write (They honestly shouldn't take that long)

Shati: I'm a bit of an archery fan myself, so don't think you'll put it by the mods on the sly. ;)

I'll try my best then.  Where do you suggest I start?

Argh.. Sorry Valan... I write with an E everytime, to be honest, but I usually catch it before I post it.  Missed this time. :rolleyes:

BTW, I'll be going over the entry again soon.  Just working on a few of my own things at the moment. (RP etc).  I'll be a little more nit-picky now that you edited the glaring issues.  Looking forward to it getting done. :)

Make sure, Shati, that you read what is written in the Remusian Men entry on it. ;)

I should like to do the Shortsword, please, as someone pipped me to the post on the Remusian bow.

Athviaro

The Jilted Lover Bow Developer

Shati
Simply start by taking a look at the weapons and bows already done.  Pay attention to the detail. Don't copy others work and for goodness sake and be creative but not ridiculous.  Read up on the Remusians and the other weapons they use so you don't contradict anything.

Use the weapons template.,  good luck, I am looking forward to your first draft.

Athviaro

You have a choice here.  you can make a very generic entry on an average Shortsword that could be used by anybody in any tribe.  Or you can find a tribe or race that could use a shortsword and make a more interesting customized one. 

Obviously I am leaning towards the latter but I will leave it up to you.

So claims the Overview on one-handed swords, implying that your "generic" shortsword may be just any 1-h sword. There already exists a Centoraurian shortsword, and a Helcrani shortsword. I think the shortsword would be a fairly basic weapon, and a simple entry might not hurt (I'll look for something a bit more challenging later). I wish I'd thought to reserve the Remusian Bow...

Athviaro the Mightily P-ed Off

A shortsword is a type of one handed weapon, but it's not a generic name you can apply to a one handed sword. I'd like to make that clear.

If you're going to make a generic entry, it could very well be harder (cf. Great Maul) than a more ethnic weapon.

That being said, the Centoraurian and Helcrani shortswords are exclusively southern human weapons. Read up on them, but try not to retread what they've already done.

Dwarves would use them, so would halflings (though the last military involvement of any substantial size that included halflings was SWIII, which had the all-volunteer lancers from Helmond's Shire. That still leaves Nybelmarians, if you're willing to learn the continent, the various ice tribes if you'll talk to the northern devs and elves.

Not Ice Tribes.. between the Remusian Warsword and the Odomon Blade, the swords of the Ice Tribes are covered.  The other Ice Tribes use spears, stone axes (being worked on) and such primitive weapons.

Hello everyone.

I am having a bit of difficulty explaining what the backwards facing spines on the seatooth are for. I mean, surely they would be useless on a dart-like weapon?

I would imagine they'd act a little like barbs on an arrow head. Once the dart is in place, it would hurt more to remove it than it would leaving it in. Nasty little idea.

I thought that too, but then I thought that all one would need to achieve that is a few on and around the tip. Any others might hinder the ease with which someone could grip it. But in the overview it says it is covered in them, so i'm not really sure which to think.

The tip, the point where you should hold it (let's call it the grip for the sake of a name) And the flight (that's the feathered bit at the back, which not all darts use) Those are all parts of a dart. You can eliminate two of these as long as the person who uses the dart does not have to throw it.

So, if your dart is completely covered in spines, it's not likely not delivered by throwing it.

That gives you several options. The blowpipe is one of them since it's traditionally used to deliver poisoned darts. An atlatl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlatl), a type of dart throwing device from way way back when in the Paleolithic. You could throw it from a sling, or make a Swiss arrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_arrow) out of it.

It doubt it's a thrown dart. Darts like the sort you'd use in game of darts are at least fifteen centimeters long. The overview describes them as the length of a human forefinger (the index finger) which is about seven centimeters. Not much of a case for a proper fletched dart then.

Since it's an assassination weapon, the blowpipe is your best bet.

I'd also give you the option to increase the size of the dart, which is a little on the short side, or alter the bit with the spines. Perhaps it's shaped like a flechette? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette) where the head is larger than the rest. Remember that the hole a bolt or an arrow or dart will make on entrance will not be the same shape as the arrow that went in which could have twisted, or simply because the act of puncturing the flesh has shaped the hole so as to be smaller than the head of the projectile.

But in the overview it says it is a thrown weapon. I'll change it to a blowpipe weapon as you suggested, but then the overview will need to be changed.

Yes, I agree M'ruk.  The overview also says this can pierce armour.  Which means it needs to get alot of velocity and force behind it.  We may have to scrap that idea and instead say it is small and accurate enough to strike in between armour plating in in between chainmail rings.  I cannot imagine a thrown, blown or dropped dart could ever pierce armour. 

I watch Deadliest Warrior and I have been amazed at the amount of force it takes to pierce armour (metal armour at least).

I love that show.  My only beef was that the pirate beat the knight... I'm not convinced on that episode

Just watched that one 3 days ago. Results are always skeptical (Slitheren studios indeed :P).  It all came down to that big blunderbuss (got 352 of the 1000 kills).  Now that thing actually pierced armour.  However the knights morningstar was AMAZING.  Holy crap.

So I should say it is a thrown or blown weapon? And that it is accurate enough to go through the weak spots of armour?

It would fall under missile weapons in the sub-heading of "ammunition" like the shatterhead arrow I think.

Ok, I'll start on it now.

EDIT: Just realized, doesn't that mean it will have to be completely removed from the thrown weapons section?

>.>
<.<
Valan peeks around the doorway to make sure no one is looking and snatches up the Caeh-Fish rapier and a curious little glove of R'unorian origin.

 :D All your Valan!  :grin:

We wuv weapons.

I see you already started the Touch of Death.  I need to read that.  :thumbup:

From the Kyranian Men (http://www.santharia.com/tribes/humans/kyranians.htm) entry:

The Scions of Thromgolin I: Gilden "Gil" Thromgolin
He develops a stronger bow for his archers and he names it the "Bolt Bow" as it doesn't shoot an arrow but a metal bolt. It doesn't have the distance that a regular bow has, but the bolt can pierce heavy armour. --> Obviously a crossbow, or a crossbow type of weapon.

And the following is armour (well a shield) ... but thought it should be included here as well ...

Sengren "Ren" Thromgolin
He designs rounded shields with centers that are thicker and stronger to protect his men from archers.

You may also want to look in the Kyranian Military (http://www.santharia.com/tribes/humans/kyranians_military.htm) entry to see if there's any information on these weapons/armours in there.

Updated the main list of weapons needing entries  and removed a bunch of the boring axes from the list.  I also added the following statement:

It is preferable to develop weapons specific to a tribe (don't forget about the Orcs, Elves and hobbits etc.)  So when choosing a weapon below if it is not already associated with certain group then lets choose one and make the entry fun and unique.

*Cloaked in a black robe and hood, he slides into the room. Takes the contract for the Jhehellrhim Crossbow and leaves, leaving behind a small purse of sans for the servants.*

On another ntoe,

I love Deadliest Warrior as well, and until I saw it, I didn't think there was a point in having armor.

Excellent Agran.  Tis yours to develop.

List could use an update Seeker. :D
Though check your PMs, I've a thought.

The weapons that need entries has been folded into the Miscelaneous proposals thread. I've borrowed the bestiary system since some of the weapons do need a more careful hand than others to make sure they're developed "right", and others certainly warrant the involvement of the regional experts.