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Title: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Seeker on 08 April 2010, 00:15:49
I am a relatively new moderators for the Miscellaneous forum.  As the moderator I try to keep up with what is being developed and encourage the writers to respond timely and eventually get their entries complete.  However every once in a while a good idea seems to be left abandoned and the author seems to have gone innactive on the site.  In a couple of cases I have tried to PM the person to see if they were interested in finishing the entry but received no response.

How long should we wait for an inactive member to return before letting someone else finish a good idea that they started but never finished? 


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 08 April 2010, 00:26:08
I guess this has been discussed a few times already. Basically you could say as a rule of thumb: If some months have passed and you tried to contact the author and there's still no response then the work can be handed over to someone else who's interested - unless the work is very personally connected to a certain person (e.g. a longterm member) and there are indicators that we'll hear from this person later.


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 08 April 2010, 00:29:36
I would say that depends on the individual.  Coren sometimes has lengthy absences, as sometimes do I.  I would hate to think that our ideas would be hijacked.  (assuming any of my ideas are considered "good" :P)  Bard Judith just had one, as did Tharoc, and Alysse has been noticeably absent, so it can happen to anyone.

A newbie who splashed in, then splashed out just as quick, I'm not sure the same courtesy should be extended, though I think there should be a grace time given.  No idea is "essential" so time really should not be a factor.  Personally, a newbie who came in for a few weeks then left, I would give probably a year.  We are dealing with  the propriety (morally and ethically, not legally) of someone's ideas, and we shouldn't be too quick to pick them up and run with them, especially since nothing here is that vital to the site as a whole.

When I did the Remusian rewrite, Timeras (the original developer) had not logged in for over three years.  Then, halfway into my rewrite, he showed up out of the blue.  Luckily, he was happy with the direction I was taking the tribe, so had no issues with it.  But, if he did have problems with it, it might have become an uncomfortable situation.

So, if you are looking at things that were left unfinished a couple of months ago, then I think that is too soon.

Just my opinion, and of course is worth little. :)


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Seeker on 08 April 2010, 03:50:13
Good guidance, makes sense. 

My personality likes to see things completed and done, but I think Alt hit it on the head:

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No idea is "essential" so time really should not be a factor.



Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 08 April 2010, 04:25:31
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My personality likes to see things completed and done

Good job you can't see my WIP file, Seeker. You'd have a fit!  :P


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Seeker on 08 April 2010, 04:41:54
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Good job you can't see my WIP file, Seeker. You'd have a fit!


You mean this one Tharoc (you are on my naughty list  :angry:)?  I bought a green robe just for your special party but alas....

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Aims for 2009 - Stuff I intend to complete this year

The Gates of Hell'wrung (working title) - Masterwork.
At least 4 entries directly connected to my Masterwork (details pending).
Re-writes/updates of the Orc Tribes.
Re-writes/updates of Orcen Religion. (Major expansion to follow later)
Tribal Body Modifications of Santharia & Sarvonia. (Hopefully illustrated by myself)
Pyrates, Privateers, and Merchant-Reavers of the Northern seaways.  (I've already made several abortive attempts at this one. This time, it's personal!).
Catch-up with and maintain the Northern Sarvonian Herbarium and Bestiary stickies.
Continue to develop the new Warg breeds with Garrett. To include several new entries related to the Warg as a species. (Don't ask, I can't say!)

Smaller stuff I hope to squeeze-in around my other projects, if time allows
Nightbloom - small, flowering plant for Garrett.
Luminite - a joint project with Deci.
Expand on the Cha'Morta-oc with a full entry.
The Daughters of Ch'oan (an almost Masterwork sized undertaking. I'll probably only get to make a start on this one. Unless I can coax Alysse into helping me.......)
The Watchtowers of Caaehl'heroth.
Expand on Orcen culture. Weapons/armour, food, music/instruments, ceremonys/rites etc.
Start to compile The Pantheon of Orcen Gods & Goddesses.

Ideas for the future

Blazing Dawn Bush  (idea - with a nice love story/myth attached)
Taenish Plant. (one of my very first ideas. Judy liked it, so I guess I'll have to do it someday!)
Septimus Smallpiece - person entry
Ludd da Sprynnge - inept Dwarven inventor of the Brownie-powered tattoo device, the Multi-plough and the Windmill-powered paddle ship. Also the Telling-bone and Elektrickery, and Closer-upper lenses - person entry (may seek Judy/Mannix/Morden's help)
Orc Nuts/balls
Slyggs (& Snurls?) - an overview
DonKor Leoni, the Knukkulz Brothers, Ma Scarponi, Bony Toni Scarponi et al


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 08 April 2010, 05:18:18
Obviously, i am on your good list, Seeker :D


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 08 April 2010, 05:33:21
Nay, nay and thrice nay, Seeker! Not that one. That one is but a list of things to do.

The one I'm talking about is a folder in my pc positively crammed with things I've started but not finished, ideas, notes, research etc. There are several versions of the same entry, partially finished, multiple files relating to pretty much the same topic but not yet collated, and K'han'uck knows what else.

No, my friend, you don't want to be looking in there.

All the things you see in my 'To do' list will, eventually, get done. At some point. Probably. I think.

Oh, and I need to add the Write-typer, or Right-typer, to Ludd's list of failed devices.

*Sigh* see how easy it is!


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Seeker on 08 April 2010, 05:41:49
Tharoc- I am sure that your PC files are organized just as I would expect an orc to organize them.  So your right, I don't want to be lookin there.   :angry: :angry: Dubly crusty stare for you.

Deklitch- I have already prepared my journey towards the Eight Winds Bay area.   Will your party be soon I hope?  I see you seem to waiting on comments (let me bump it for you)  Tell Tharoc how it feels to be almost done with your Masterwork.


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 08 April 2010, 05:52:07
Actually, I am waiting for the inspiration to strike me to get it finished

It hasn't struck me as yet.


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 08 April 2010, 05:58:39
Why's everyone in such a rush to get me to do my Masterwork?

Some folk are quite content just pottering about, y'know.

In truth, I know myself too well. When I reach a certain level of competancy in anything I do, I suddenly lose interest and look for something else to try. I don't want to risk that with Santh.  :)


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 08 April 2010, 06:05:37
*looks at Tharoc and starts trembling*

Are you sure you aren't at least part Erpheronian at some point in your past, Tharoc ... then again ... I don't know for sure that my mother *wasn't* an orc or an ice elf ...

That sounds so much like me ... the whole thing about reaching competency in something and then losing interest in it.

*Me hands a tin foil hat to Tharoc*


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 08 April 2010, 06:08:50
*Takes hat, sniffs it, then stuffs it in his mouth and chews.*

To be completely honest with you all, I have absolutely no plans to start a Masterwork in the forseable future. I'm just not ready, despite Mira chewing my ear off at Mir'Th Moot 09 about that meaning I am ready. (He talks in braille, y'know!)

I could have just added 'Masterwork' to the title of my Eanian Warg entry last year and no-one would have batted an eyelid, but that would have been cheating. Besides, even that entry will pale beside what I see in my mind as being a 'proper' Masterwork. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor the mental wherewithall to even consider such an undertaking right now.

Sorry to disappoint, but there you have it.



Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Seeker on 08 April 2010, 06:51:23
Seeker takes out a bit o parchment, it has bits of writing all over it with things like
-Don't trust orcs-
-Orcs stink-
and
-be careful about eating small brown nuts-

he turns the parchment over and finds a small blank space and adds
-never poke an orc with a small stick!-

Turning to Wargrider he simply states "We bother you about your Masterwork because we like you.  And we consider you a "full member" anyway. Ya big lughead." :grin:


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 08 April 2010, 07:23:03
In my opinion (of which, those who know me, know that I have several) a Masterwork is something that is as much about you as it is about Santh.  It has to be a reflection of you, something that you are proud of.  That does not mean it has to be a huge entry, or overly in depth, but something that means something special to you; that you will look back on and be proud of.  If you don't feel it yet, don't be pressured to do it.  Do it slowly, piece by piece, if that is your wish.  

To be quite honest, the perks of Member Status are more symbolic than practical.  I love being to be able to say I'm a Member, but it hasn't changed anything as far as my role goes around here.  I've not been taught the secret handshake.  I don't have a key to the Executive Washrooms.  (in fact, they make me use the Texaco Station across the street... a misunderstanding resulting after a large taco and burrito lunch that is best left unspoken)

But... the one thing I do have is a strong sense that my Masterwork, my Remusian Entry, is something I can look back on with pride.  I know the work put into it, the many hours researching, reading and net surfing (porn aside) that went into it.  It did not have to be so big, so involved, but my personality would not have allowed it to be anything but.  That is simply me, and need not define anyone else's Masterwork.  But, when I look back on the entirety of my submissions here, I want that entry to stand out above all others.  That is my Masterwork.  In my mind, it will stand alone.

If that is how you feel, Tharoc, my green friend, then hold onto that thought.  Do your Masterwork on your own terms in your own time.  It is, afterall, your Masterwork.


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Bard Judith on 08 April 2010, 09:50:31
(grabs Alt AND Tharoc and pulls them both in for a hug)

(tries to breathe)

(lets go abashedly and begins brushing the warghair and burrito crumbs off her green tunic)


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Seeker on 08 April 2010, 11:35:57
Yes, in all seriousness Alt is of course correct.  My apologies if any of the thoughtless teasing and banter hit a nerve.  It certainly can go too far sometimes.

All the status, aura points, smileys, clapping dudes, awards etc. are all just for fun anyway.   All I care is that we enjoy each others company as we work on creating this fun world together.

I will humbly return to my palette.  I think my next pic is just days away from being ready for a first post. 


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 08 April 2010, 12:22:30
*enjoys the Bards lavish huigs*  Sorry bout the Burrito crumbs.

I was not speeking out against you, Seeker. :)  Just letting our big du- er, green friend know that he has not to push himself to do the Masterwork.  We know you were only teasing him.  Though, that's something akin to teasing a pitbull I reckon.

*tummy grumbles and growls*

Uhm... I need to get to the Texaco station.  Talk to ya later.

*runs*


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 09 April 2010, 02:43:42
*Successfully fights the urge to pinch the MasterBard's matronly backside during the hug. But only just.*

@ Seeker. Worry not, my paint-stained friend, your well-meant teasing was taken as just that. My apologies if my response seemed somewhat terse. I have thought about this all day at work and was worried that I may have offended you by my words.
Basically, what I was trying to say was that until such time as I feel ready to proceed with a Masterwork, if ever, then I am blissfully happy to wander willy-nilly through the forums adding my 2 san's worth wherever I feel it may be of some good.
One of the many things I love about this site and it's members is that anyone, even a complete newbie, can create something wonderful and help to make this world a richer place. I feel no great need to advance myself to the dizzy heights of Full Membership, I'm happy pottering around with the lower ranks and helping those who aspire to greatness reach their goal.

Oh, and a word of advice; poking an orc with any stick, regardless of length, girth or pointyness is generally accepted as being a pretty bad idea. I should write that on your little piece of paper, if I were you.  ;)

@ Alt. I've been trying to think of something wise but hilariously funny in response to your scarily intuitive reading of my mindset. I failed.
What I can say is that I agree completely with you. For me, a Masterwork should be the definitive entry about whatever its subject matter is. When I first kicked around my Gates of Hell'wrung idea I looked to the likes of Rookie's Brownie Council tree, Azzy's Kaaer'dar'shin and your own Remusian Men Masterworks as my inspiration for what level of detail I should aspire to.
Not everyone thinks the same way, I know, and I mean no detriment to those whose ideas run contrary to mine. As you yourself so eloquently said, "A Masterwork is as much about you as it is about Santharia. It should be something you look back on with pride." It matters not a jot whether you accomplish this in 1000 words, or 10,000, as long as the finished article is of your very best then no-one can ask for any more.
As for doing it piece by piece, I'm afraid that's a non-starter from my perspective. If I put something down half-finished, then it's pretty much guaranteed that's exactly how it will stay. Witness my earlier post to Seeker regarding my off-site Santh folder!  :rolleyes:





Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Seeker on 09 April 2010, 03:53:54
Seeker breathes a sigh of relief  :D

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One of the many things I love about this site and it's members is that anyone, even a complete newbie, can create something wonderful and help to make this world a richer place.
I totally agree  :thumbup:

 
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Worry not, my paint-stained friend, your well-meant teasing was taken as just that. My apologies if my response seemed somewhat terse. I have thought about this all day at work and was worried that I may have offended you by my words.
Perhaps we both worried for no reason then.  But I guess it is the fact that we are willing to worry that makes it work.  :)

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*Successfully fights the urge to pinch the MasterBard's matronly backside during the hug. But only just.*
Now you will have to apologize to Bard for referring to her backside as matronly.   :undecided:  :grin:


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 09 April 2010, 04:01:29
Wanna bet?  :evil:


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 09 April 2010, 04:03:40
No need to make a reply.  I carry around this soapbox with me all the time, and if I don't get up on it and pontificate once in awhile, people just think of it as strange. :)


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 09 April 2010, 05:00:24
Back to the topic...

I keep wanting to take over Talia's unfinished clerical stuff but she won't let me!  :P

I just need her to be absent for a few more weeks...then it will all be mine!  :grin:


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Bard Judith on 09 April 2010, 09:46:26
I prefer, only because I am an impeccably (though not unpinchably) precise person, 'ample' to 'matronly'.  Though in strict honesty and equal precision, 'matronly' is likewise technically correct, it suggests an aura of bland unapproachability and decided lack of sensuality. 

(Stops to wonder if 'ample' is any better and decides that perhaps 'succulent'.... no, no, never mind.   The Bard resolves to investigate that new Goutonchic bustled corset that her friends are all raving about and see if that will offer any protection that her sharp tongue and bardic wrath might not otherwise fend off...) 

 At any rate, an apology is not necessary;  one trusts that Seeker will not be losing any sans to the Great Green One through having nobly though rather unwisely taken him up on his gamble in defense of the bardic backs...er, bardic honour.


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Bard Judith on 09 April 2010, 09:47:58
(glances hastily over at Azhira, whose full lips are compressing dangerously and whose foot is tapping the floor in a pattern that suggests 'May I have my thread back now?' and quickly scoots back to her desk, skirts flicking the floor....)


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 10 April 2010, 01:43:30
A few more weeks, Azhira? I'm never absent, just not always posting, if I have nothing important to say  :buck:

Just because I'm not commenting on every second entry anymore does not mean, I'm away!

Don't worry, the clerical stuff is on the list on top, nearly..


Title: Re: Question about moderating forums
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 10 April 2010, 02:27:53
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an aura of bland unapproachability and decided lack of sensuality.
 

That is most definitely not what I meant by matronly!

I was thinking more along the lines of shapely or curvaceous. Maybe even comely.

*notices whisps of smoke beginning to trail from Azhira's ears and decides to scarper before she blows her lid, snatching the purse of coins from Dek's hand as he passes*