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Santharian World Development => Races, Tribes and Clans => Topic started by: Finnael on 11 August 2010, 08:07:22



Title: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 11 August 2010, 08:07:22
Greetings from China. Decided to stop by the website for a quick look around, ended up spending some more time making this. Thoughts so far? (to be completed in 3d later)

The Helmondsshire Hobbits have one of the oldest symbols, dating back to the Age of Myths. The shield is round, reflecting peace, and inside is a single vine with gentle green leaves. This coat of arms is centered on their love of gardening and the earth. They are, of course, “Green-People”.

The coat of arms was re-done after the destruction of the shire after the War for Ancyros, but retains the circular shape, but instead of a vine, the symbol of two green leaves. Almost all of the other hobbit coat of arms use the leaves in their symbol.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 11 August 2010, 08:31:24
Looks very nice.  Very suitable. ;)


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Kalína Dalá'isyrás on 11 August 2010, 12:25:15
I like it! Clean and suitable, like Alt said.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Sparkle on 11 August 2010, 17:36:09
I like it too, it will make a good symbol to put on a house or just use in some other way. Will the background be white or yellow?


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 11 August 2010, 17:52:49
I like it as well ... almost looks like the head of one of those 'little green men' :D


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 11 August 2010, 21:57:20
@Sparkle: if the coat of arms is anything like the others on the site, it will be shaped to look a litle more three dimensional, and that white bit will actually be transparent, so all we see is the shield.

That said, it looks brilliant. It reminds me of the door on a hobit hole. I could see them putting the little leaves on their doorknobs.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 11 August 2010, 23:06:44
Yes, as Valan said, the coat of arms will just be the circle. The background will be transparent and the finished work will be 3d. This is just the 2d design.

Thanks for the input guys :), but don't be afraid to criticize. If there is anything I could possibly change or do to make it better, please say.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 11 August 2010, 23:11:57
Just a suggestion, but perhaps the leaves are those of pipeweed?


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 11 August 2010, 23:19:52
Ohh pretty! Nice work, Finnael! Welcome back to the Dream. I don't think many of us remember you, save Arti and Bard. Another artist is always welcome around here.

An Aura for you!


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 12 August 2010, 01:31:06
Thanks for the Aura Azhira :)

Pipeweed, it seems, is more deeply rooted in Gnomish culture than Halflings. Reading up in the compendium it doesn't mention halflings within the entry, nor pipeweed within the halflings entries (even though most of us know in Tolkien's world that the hobbits loved it). Does anyone have any opinions or knowledge of this topic? (Is Rayne still around these parts?)


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 12 August 2010, 01:36:38
Yep, you also get an aura +1 from here, Finnael!

Very nice coat of arms, very fitting to the hobbits, maybe the whole things can get another shine filter on top if it represents a shield of some sort, but the realization is very nice the way it is! Definitely the perfect way to come out of the shadows from your hideout in the past years, hope there's a chance to get some more where this came from... :P

P.S. Speaking about coat of arms - I should check what Rakshiri (=Koldar to the old-bies like Finnael) is doing, as he made that cool coat of arms generator at the beginning of the year. He wanted to make some more improvements on it, and maybe he got to that stuff in the meantime, cause this generator should be very useful for us to get some more done in this area. I'll add checking on Rakshiri's progress to my priority list!


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 12 August 2010, 01:43:57
Interestingly pipeweed is indeed pretty much described as gnome thing rather than a halfling one... We put a hobbit picture in the entry because we had that, but the entry doesn't mention hobbits at all. Very strange.

Rayne still exists, we even put an entry of her up last update, but she has a habit of showing up for some weeks, working on dozens of entries at the same time and then disappearing again suddenly for several months. Difficult to get a hold on her and get things finished that way. But yup, she's still somewhere out there and hasn't forgotten about us!  :grin:


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 13 August 2010, 02:03:21
That sounds great! I would definitely be interested in seeing this generator of Koldar's. As well, do you know which program he used/uses for his "3d-ification" of designs?


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 13 August 2010, 02:05:47
I would, in place of other hobbit developers, note that hobbits wouldn't be the sort to use shields much in any case, so perhaps it could be a design on things like doors and windows? At least in the present day.

I'm not sure which program you're using Finnael, but I think I might know what Koldar did. Or at least it might achieve a similar effect.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 13 August 2010, 03:09:31
I agree, Valan.  I thought the same thing, just forgot to poke my nose in.  Shield CoA just seems unhobbity.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 13 August 2010, 03:32:17
I completely agree. A crest or a flag maybe?


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 13 August 2010, 03:35:29
Sounds like an interesting idea and challenge to place the whole thing on wood, as in a round hobbit door with a copy into each other feature or something similar in Photoshop. That would provide the final hobbitish touch :) - That something you could try, Finnael?

As for Koldar's project: He made some more progress in the meantime as I've seen (see here (http://fantasyshields.com/)). Note the scrollbar at the bottom of the row from which you can select your coat of arms pieces - guess that's one of the new features if I remember correctly. And a few other minor things were made as mentioned on the page. Also a lot more shields were generated in the meantime, quite an impressive gallery there to look at now :D - Further motives one could use wouldn't hurt, though...


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 13 August 2010, 04:24:29
Yeah, the coat of arms generator is coming along nicely!


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 13 August 2010, 15:33:35
More of a crest, to be worn on clothing, can be placed onto doors, hang from necklaces, etc.

Thoughts? (Note: there are still a number of things to be done with this, it's just the idea i'm asking. i still have to change the middle pieces and the texture of everything to look not so weird)


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Seeker on 13 August 2010, 23:03:52
Oooh I like that.  I could see that being part of necklace for sure.  Very nice.

Great to have other artists around.  :thumbup:


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 13 August 2010, 23:41:04
Looks pretty fine to me as well, Finnael - you need to put it at something though to have a context for it - as you mentioned, a necklace, a door, could connect a cape at the neck part, something like this!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 28 August 2010, 02:38:20
coming up as soon as i can. recently got super busy and also got a new computer :) so i've been transferring everything over. i will get the new design out with a necklace or a cloak, maybe both to see which one is better.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 28 August 2010, 02:43:18
Cool! Looking forward to it, Fin!  :thumbup:


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 16 September 2010, 22:52:49
sorry about not finishing up on this. i picked up a job recently and have been really busy the past few weeks. i will get to it as soon as i get free time.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 02 December 2010, 02:49:26
Well, I'm back now (for at least a little bit  :buck:). I was picked up for a job back in September a job and was on set 10-14 hours per day for the past 3 months... haha it's good to be rested again.

Here is an update to the crest. I've done it as a necklace. I will see what I can do to have it as a brooch for a cloak, or something along those lines.


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 02 December 2010, 04:22:56
Good to hear from you again, Finnael - we should work on the three months interval, though... ;)

Anyway, I guess we could as well add this coat of arms/necklace as a resource as it is now (as I assume drawing a hobbit isn't your forte, Jon). But whenever one of our artists gets to drawing a hobbit, we could use this piece. It's saved in TIF format, so it is on a transparent alpha channel already and can be grabbed directly and pasted on any picture with ease. And a closeup of the picture showing this coat of arms could then be used in the Helmondshire entry.  :grin:


Title: Re: The Helmondsshire Halflings Coat of Arms
Post by: Finnael on 02 December 2010, 19:41:03
haha nope. don't know anything about drawing hobbits.

sounds good. if there's any other changes you can think of to add to this, tell me and i'll have a go at it.