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Title: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 19 August 2005, 17:27:00
Need the Bard's attention? :wave            

Post a message here with a link to whatever you'd like me to see, edit, comment upon, or proofread...





Edited by: Bard Judith  at: 2/10/06 0:57


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Takashi Logan on 12 February 2006, 13:12:00
Masterbard!
I need you to take a look at the Dor'en. I have a lack of motivation for edits due to random reasons I cannot explain...
Dor'en

Edited by: Takashi Logan at: 2/11/06 20:13


Title: Re: Dear Judith,
Post by: Pikel on 18 March 2006, 02:22:00
(I think you may have missed it in your business, so i thought i would remind you of it)

*REPOST*

HI BARD!

Anyways, I am just in the process of thinking, and I would like to ask you a few things about a myth i am thinking of for your cute little dwarfsi-....i mean Your Hardy Thergarim.

As you read in Meen and the dragon, there is the Dragon Thuenn ( I forget what his name means, but it is something simple like "brass" or "bronze" or some such thing)

Anyways. I want to make a document of Thuenn for the compendium, but i am curious as to if i would make a library entry, or a people entry. The character is complete myth, but i am not telling a story, so much as telling of the mythic character of the dragon.

(BTW, if you could help me think of a name for this dragon, it would be much helpful. Basically, it's a gold drake that has a vast hoard of wealth, and punishes greedy people and such. He is basically anti greed person  )  



**DISCLAIMER** I apologize to anyone I may have offended in the above post. I would like to assure you that was (most likely) not my goal. I would also like to assure you that the above post (again, most likely) in no way reflects the views of the Santharian boards or their webmaster, Artimidor Federkiel.



Title: Re: Dear Judith,
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 16 June 2006, 13:19:00
High Bard, a Newcomer has some questions for you, but has appearently not discovered the way to your study... would you mind taking a look in the Main Hall? I left him in the waiting area...

Miraran Tehuriden..

'What the hell is he doing?!' - Ximaxian Fire Master, last words.


Feed the rats, leave a message!



Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Elendilwyn on 12 July 2006, 11:30:00
Great Masterbard and Mentor!!!

Your apprentice got lost in the dungeon... too many possible routes to take and she is not sure which one works and is seeking some opinions.

Sorry to not have been as efficient but I have been sleeping over Ashmaid and I cannot think of anything original. Help? There is part one and two in the library forum.  


The artist usually sets out — or used to — to point a moral and adorn a tale. The tale, however, points the other way, as a rule. Two blankly opposing morals, the artist’s and the tale’s. Never trust the artist. Trust the tale.
- DH Lawrence



Title: Re: Dear Judith,
Post by: Bard Judith on 12 July 2006, 12:00:00
Thanks for the heads up and assistance, Mira!

My reply both above and below:

Hello, Swensen!

I use Adobe Illustrator, PhotoImpression, and Paint in conjunction to create my digital illustrations.  However, none of the above are actually meant as 'fine digital art' programs and I would not recommend them to any serious digital artist - just as I create my little pictures with only a Logitech mouse because I do not own and cannot afford a proper tablet and stylus.

I am a bit wary when you simply ask me for 'software', as it suggests that you have done no research on your own and have no experience with computer-assisted art at all.  It took me literally years to make the switch from traditional media into the digital field, and I have years more to go (and doubtless some better tools to buy) before I can begin to produce pieces that have the finish, finesse, and quality of our professional digital artists such as Faugar, Quellion, Eratin, and the like.  

As such, I can't really recommend anything to you.  You'll have to experiment yourself with various free programs such as Oekaki and Gimp (available online - do some googling) , but it is highly unlikely that at first you will be able to produce anything in the digital field that will be of an acceptable level.  Do you have anything online in your own style, whatever that might be, to give us an idea of your current artistry and level of accomplishment?  Please provide a link here, if so.

Regards from the bard,
Judith



Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 07 August 2006, 03:19:10
Hello Judith! When you have time can you help Decipher out with his White Advisor  (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,8250.0.html) poem? I would much appreciate if you could guide him there all the way through as I am not at all competent in that area. Thank you! ::hugs::


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Jonael Tomeskrift on 13 August 2006, 02:08:07
Hoi Bard Judith,

I'm in the process of working on an entry which will represent an academy of engineering in Nybelmar, and which would include dwarven engineers. Hoever looking around the compendium, there is some vague reference (high dwarves and plain dwarves) but no more, could you possibly enlighten me a bit about which dwarven clan is into engneering and mechanics and evidently would have some individuals which went to the academy to work there in unison with human engineers?

Thank you for your time ^^
Hugs, (or bows if the master bard is untouchable ^^)

Jonael


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 15 August 2006, 12:10:07
(frowns) the quick answer is that the dwarven presence in Nybelmar is not nearly as influential / developed as it is in Santharia, my main focus.

 But yes, the clan entries for both High and Plains dwarves are written and provide information - more than vague references!

Go look at the entry for the High Dwarves, AKA Kiingerim.  There are mentions of catapaults, so that's a start - and the various families within the clan who are responsible for various areas, such as trade, architecture, and the treasury.  You'll have to extrapolate a bit from that, but it's a start!  They would definitely be the clan which sends dwarves out, as the Plains Dwarves keep very much to their own customs and traditions.

Hope that helps!






Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Niccoli on 18 August 2006, 08:22:40
Hello! I have come to ask for help. I am being incredibly impatient, but it would be nice if I knew for sure someone would look at me neat little mite. http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,10802.msg124724.html#msg124724 (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,10802.msg124724.html#msg124724)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 19 August 2006, 03:59:33
I'd love to, Niccoli - and by the by, welcome most heartily to the dream - but I'm leaving for camping in a couple of hours for the whole weekend.

I'll be happy to look and comment when I get back; I also have a great hummingbird in the bestiary forum awaiting my perusal, so that will be two things to look forward to!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Kareesh Valendar on 20 August 2006, 00:28:20
Oh my gracious mentor, I finished basiloc...well, all except for the description. I was wondering if you could help me with that. I have no idea what to do with that. I added a lot more, so if you could find time to critique it, that would be wonderful. It's kinda low, but I'll bump it. *grumbles about them not going to the top when edited.*


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Mina on 02 September 2006, 10:07:22
Erm, just wondering if you received my PM.  It's been a while, and I'm not sure whether I messed up somewhere or you just haven't gotten around to answering it yet. 


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 03 September 2006, 21:25:48
PM?  Er.... (checks)

Oops, yes, I did receive it - concerning Ximax's geography...

Haven't had a lot of time on the boards and am not at home at the moment.

However:  your proposal sounds sensible, as Ximax HAS to receive rain!  Be aware that there are a lot of volcanic areas in the peninsula, some extinct, some still 'active'.  The mountains were originally described by Thuja, I believe, but I tried to flesh them out in my Xirghurim submission (still not finished!) and I do have a sketch at home of how they might appear on the continent.  I'll try to get that to you once I'm back at my own computer and make sure we are 'on the same page' as regards their shape, layout, nomenclature, etc. Sounds good?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Mina on 05 September 2006, 20:55:28
Yep, sounds good.  :)

Meanwhile, I think I'll be sending you another PM so as not to clog up this thread with the geography discussion. 


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Mina on 24 September 2006, 16:41:42
Um, you didn't happen to miss my PM again, did you?   :pet:


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Coren FrozenZephyr on 01 October 2006, 04:32:53
Judith, I have the weird feeling that I was supposed to do something for you... I think it was about that picture but I can't remember what I promised exactly - would you please refreshen my memory?

Love,
coren.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Seredic on 01 October 2006, 20:31:45
hi,i have been old to ask you if this is alright?

http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,10951.msg126559.html#msg126559


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 02 October 2006, 06:01:04
Coren - need specifics on how you want the mage to look or what needs to be altered to fit the clan you were talking about - NOT Krean... :P   


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Arceon Barrurbeleth on 24 October 2006, 02:04:06
My library entry needs to be checked by you because it needs dwaren knowlege only you posses
Heir of the Ahrhim elves(Story) (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,11001.0.html) look in the Overview.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Arceon Barrurbeleth on 29 October 2006, 23:06:00
...ring....ring

Check previous post please!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Mina on 10 November 2006, 01:28:05
*waves vigorously*
Um, not to sound rude or anything, but it really has been quite a while since I sent you those PMs.  It'd be nice to know if you'd seen them, even if you're too busy to respond to them for now. 


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 10 November 2006, 01:32:44
Sorry, Mina.  I'm rarely even on these days.

However, I should indeed check my bellrings, as you tactfully point out.  AND respond to private messages.  I'll try to make some time to actually answer once I read and refresh my memory - apologies again from a stressed bard.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Mina on 10 November 2006, 01:37:48
Well, no need to get yourself even more stressed over this if you don't have time for it right now.  I don't really have much ideas myself.  But, yeah, I'd really appreciate getting some reply informing me that you're too busy for a proper response if that's the case.  :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 02 January 2007, 09:37:25
Hello, my dearest Bard.
Im just ringin' your bell to see if you could take a look at the Silk Stone entry for me. I just want to make sure my Dwarven references are correct.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Almare on 16 January 2007, 13:38:52
Hello,
Just when you have a minute I was wondering if you could check my entry for Salndo? It's in the Mantheria region and I have heard that you are interested in the region. The link is http://www.santharia.com/startup_new/mainframe.htm
Thankyou,
Almare.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Drucilla Sablewolffe on 22 January 2007, 22:46:57
Dear Masterbard, I request your veiwing of RB. I think I'm finished and Drasil seems to be happy. I'll be holding my breath till I hear from you. Please. DS


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 03 February 2007, 05:34:04
Hi Bard,
Sorry to bother you but could you check out Silkstone before the update?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 03 February 2007, 05:37:28
Judy is away over the weekend; Nsiki!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 03 February 2007, 07:02:12
Darn.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 03 February 2007, 11:20:44
Ah! I am away....  But I DO have access to a computer... :)  I'll try to find time - mostly on other people's machines I just stay caught up with the new postings but don't comment/critique except little posties.... :P



Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Irid alMenie on 09 March 2007, 05:38:29
Hey Judy!

I posted the first chapter of my detective story. Could you please look it over and see if I didn't hugely misinterpret your character? Thanks a bunch :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: ishmaelion on 13 March 2007, 02:36:30
"Greetings Bard Judith" a humble figure aproaches the radiant beauty who calls herself Judith...

"You gave me some help with a stanza of a poem some time ago, I tried to use that inspiration on the rest of the poem, which is finished now... If I may be so bold as to ask you to briefly glimpse at it, and give it your fine expert view?"

http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php?topic=10920.30 (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php?topic=10920.30)

The humble man bows deeply, and, after having left a number of gifts including lots of food stumbles back to the cave called 'home'...



Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 25 April 2007, 00:49:05
The Nightgrave entry is making a few points about the Dwarves i am not sure of. Perhaps you'd best take a closer look.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Thortar on 25 April 2007, 01:31:27
hi,

thats nightgrape :)

Thortar


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Thortar on 27 April 2007, 02:55:29
Hi bard could you look at the nightgrape.


thanks
 :grin:


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Hylphán on 03 May 2007, 16:35:17
Hi Bard Judith,
     Once I figured out you are a mod for the herbarium, I thought I better repeat this for you...
Initially, as you can see, I posted this for Art.  Let me know what you think...

Hi Artimidor,
     My next painting will be of a tropical flower (I will e-mail you a photo of a real one) that is bright yellow, with a deep red center which fades into the petals.  I thought it would fit nicely as a native of the shoals.  I will do a write up for it and everything, but give me at least a couple of weeks for the painting.  I was thinking of calling it something like "The heart of the sun", or maybe because of the connection to the goddess, "The heart of Baveras" or something of the sort.  I don't quite know yet...
     I will mail the picture shortly, let me know what you think.

:Edit:  Ok Artimidor, it is publishing to my webpage as I type this.  Hope you like it!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Thortar on 10 May 2007, 03:01:03
hi bard,

i have read through your comments on my nightgrape and i believe i have adressed everything so if you can find the time you you look through it again.  :grin:



Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Hylphán on 14 May 2007, 18:12:56
Good day to you Lady Judith,
     I know that there is a color palette of Santharian colors, but I can't seem to find it.  I believe I will need it to edit the color parts of my write up for the Haloen's Tail.  Oh, btw, I named the distilled product "Haloen aceed", if that is acceptable.  Let me know, so I can finish this write up.  The painting will take a little while longer...


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 14 May 2007, 20:38:19
But of course!  Please bear in mind that the colour names are, like Earthen colour names, meant to be 'proprietary' and should not be overused.  It is perfectly ok to call something 'crimson' instead of 'Karikrimson' - which is a very specific shade of red, rather like 'sage' is a particular type of soft desaturated green, or "Prussian Blue" is a particular deep greenish-blue.   

Having provided the disclaimer, here's the link:  http://www.santharia.com/standards/colours_of_santharia.htm

There is also, in the Misc. Forum, a new expanded list with even more colours, but it hasn't been officially integrated yet.

Check it out, however!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Hylphán on 15 May 2007, 21:53:46
Good Day Lady Judith!  I have finished both of the flowers.  Of course, you have commented on the name for one of them.  I will have a name tomorrow or Thurs. at the latest, so you can integrate it (if it's ready!).  I think I have taken care of any of the concerns I've seen so far.  Please let me know what you think...I can handle it! (Please don't make me redo it! *drops to knees wailing*)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Hylphán on 31 May 2007, 16:05:35
Good day to you m'Lady,
I think the "Halak-sun Blood Bloom is ready for the final proofread by you, a Herbarium Master.
Let me know what you think!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Miraran Tehuriden on 06 June 2007, 02:54:53
Read you PM's dear Bard! (Just to make sure you get this one ASAP...)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Mina on 06 June 2007, 17:10:50
Just making sure you know I've updated the Xaramon map (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php?topic=11588.msg137600#msg137600). 


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Alysse the Likely on 13 June 2007, 00:39:19
Hey, I couldn't find anything about Thergerim naming principles--could you please tell me if MithWurt Bachim is consistent with Thergerim names, and if not, what would be a good dwarven name?  (see my Lorehold post for details; I think you'll like the integration of dwarven language.  I tried very hard for accuracy) :)

Alysse


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 01 July 2007, 09:18:54
Hello.  Hope I'm not being a bother, but I'm hoping you can take a look at the Icemilk Revisions.  Most of my entries have not gotten much attention since I had to leave for a couple of weeks, and I'm hoping to get them active again.  June was a hectic month, hoping that July will be better.  Thank you in advance. :grin:

Icemilk (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php?topic=11696.0)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 01 July 2007, 09:35:52
No bother at all!  Thanks for tugging on the bell-rope - it shakes us reclusive scholars up and gets us out of our respective towers once in a while....    I'll trot over to the Herbarium when I get back from the Chapel!

(or in RL terms, I'll check it later this Sunday after church...)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 01 July 2007, 09:50:10
Thank you, Bard Judith. :grin:  Art is updating this weekend, and it reminded me that I didn't get anything ready.  (luckily 2 entries went in last time, so I feel somewhat vindicated. :buck:)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Alassiel Telrúnya on 01 July 2007, 16:08:18
My lovely darling Judy, I would be eternally grateful to you if you'd take a look at my Liu'lian entry. Mira was hoping you'd be the one to give the final OK on it. I'd like if possible to have it ready for this coming update. :D

EDIT: Here's the link: Liu'lian Tree (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php?topic=11706.0)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 02 July 2007, 22:52:05
Judy, did you invent the word Carteloreen?

How is it pronounced?

Carteloreen
Carteloreen


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 19 July 2007, 19:30:05
Just a notice: If we want to get in our knight in this week's update, you should try to look through the entry within the next days as you suggested, Judy. Time is running out.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Arceon Barrurbeleth on 26 July 2007, 06:07:55
Remember the Thane entry? Could you please change the name of Jessica Yana Pengallan and give me some basic information about her, of course, when you're free enough to do so?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Aurora Damall on 21 August 2007, 22:37:45
Judy, I would appreciate it very much if you looked at my Lobrire's Delight recipe. As I heard you are a Master Chef ;). Anyways, Thanks!!!! :grin:


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 22 August 2007, 00:05:47
Hi Judy, could you please find out, what the names of Hyung Jun Kim and Eun Hee Choi mean? i know from Jung Min, that her name was written with two Kanshis, each one had a meaning, like "garden" for one. And maybe how their names are sounding in Korean?

Btw, happy birthday, Judy!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 28 August 2007, 19:14:36
Did you notice my bell-ring, Judy? Saw you logged in and a few (longer)  posts meanwhile. I would love to know, if you can and will do it, otherwise I need other ways to find it out. A short yes or no would suffice. Thank you.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Petros Greenvale on 29 August 2007, 02:43:58
Hey Judy!! :heart:
Just ondering if it is possible, if you could have a wee look over my Black Birch Baton entry, for it contains alot of references to your wonderful notation! :D :hug:


Thanks Again!!!  :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 29 August 2007, 02:47:05
Perhaps in relation to the above you may find time to apply your musical genius to the entry me and Petros collaborated on on percussion?

I see from the multitude of bellrings you are busy, so If i'm being troublesome, I'll go bother someone else about it...

Also I have some more details on that picture...Interested?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Aurora Damall on 01 September 2007, 21:48:07
Judy, sorry to be a bother. However my Lobrire's delight hasn't been posted on in about two weeks, even though it was bumped two times. Anyways since your the recipe misteress I thought I'd shout out to you. Anyways, thank you so much :grin:.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Helvíl Ypherén on 02 September 2007, 01:54:09
O dear Bard, can you please look at my Golden Flower Entry?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Thortar on 07 September 2007, 16:46:37
Hi Bard,

I would just like to know about wether dwarves go to school for my entry on the nightgrape, i was told by Artimador to check.

Thanks,

Thortar


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Gervase Bertrand on 08 September 2007, 07:16:37
Greetings Bard Judith

Just wanted to ask if you could please take a look at my two entries in the herbalist section.

You will see I changed my  Nehrot's Tears entry to be like a tulip rather than the garlic that caused such a problem.

If you would rather it be the first thing I had I believe I saved it as a MS Word document and can change it back.

The other entry is called Blood Mint or Blood Balm and I believe it is quite original.

 
Thank you in advance for your hard work.


Sincerely

Gervase Bertrand


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: xerampelinae deicida on 12 September 2007, 12:07:11
For the plant entry I'm working on I need to use small liquid measurements so I would like to add some small measurements that would be used mostly by brownies and chemists. Please  :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Morcaanan on 17 September 2007, 00:11:28
Need a little help choosing a tribe for this fellow here (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12019.msg142205.html#msg142205) when you get the chance, oh Master Bard...he's been sitting in my schedule for months, and I need to get on with his development (by the  way, you claimed the right to draw his mug...)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Gervase Bertrand on 20 September 2007, 22:25:47
Greetings oh beloved bard and fountain of wisdom! :)

I just wish to remind you of my tearful plant.

Would like to get it ready for the next update if I could.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels on 06 October 2007, 21:14:35
Judy - I need a second name for the current King (well, for Shiana), could you contact me per mail? I never know, which of your e-mail addresses is valid just now, so i could just write back.
(BTW, did you get my mail concerning the Mac and do you maybe have one by now? )

I couldn't reach Alysse  when I wanted to wish her a happy birthday, maybe she has some good ideas as well.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Takór Salenár on 13 October 2007, 03:38:40
Judy, the problem with the surname is solve, I took the one of Santhros.

If you have the time, could you please do (as you offered) a last proofread for the Religious Magic Introducion? (Is not pressing though)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 13 October 2007, 09:48:27
Good choice and a nice 'mouthfeel' for the name!  Proofread - absolutely, would be my privilege - probably tonight as we are out together as a family today (it's a 'Mommy & Daddy Day', as Katherine likes to call her weekends)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Niccoli on 14 November 2007, 07:05:12
I was wondering if I could try writing up a little bit on a dwarven waybread for the waybread entry. Possibly something with mushrooms. Also, please run through if you can. I'm pretty sure it's finished.

http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12116.msg143739/topicseen.html#new (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12116.msg143739/topicseen.html#new)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 14 November 2007, 16:11:36
Hey Judy, there is a small Mica descussion going on in this (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12117.msg143768/topicseen.html#new) thread.  Do you think it would be possible to make beads from it?  I'm not really sure, nor am I sure what you were thinking of changing for santh, nor how far you had really thought about it.  No rush though, this idea can hang around a while if need be.  ;)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Grunok the Exile on 18 December 2007, 10:58:01
Hi Judy,

I hope your Christmas trip is going well!  If you have time, I would love your insights on my Serphelorian Tribe (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12163.0.html) submission.  I want to make sure it is right before it goes up, as it will be a foundation of so many other entries...  Any notes as to queries you have, clarifications or re-wordings you would like, or things you think should be changed or added, would be much appreciated.

Thank you!

Grun.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Morcaanan on 19 December 2007, 01:06:19
Bard, if and when you get the chance, could you glance over Runsek (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12019.msg142205.html#msg142205) for me? I'd appreciate it.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Hylphán on 28 December 2007, 21:02:43
Good day to you Fair Bard!  When (note: when - not vital) you get a chance, I have finished the "Blanket of Shar" entry.  I would most welcome your input...
Thanks!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Kelancey the Green on 08 January 2008, 17:35:30
  Hi, Masterbard!  Okay, I'm certain you receive 837 requests to "just look at this entry, it'll only take 5 seconds" every day, and most of those are probably from me.  This is not one of those!

  I just finished what I believe is a polished draft of two Misc. entries, Pain Remedies and Herbal Surgical Treatments, that I'd love to get into the next site update.  So, if you have time before then to review these two and give me your feedback, I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 09 January 2008, 02:22:20
T'would be my honour!   Actually, I can't resist your entries, so fear not...


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Drasil Razorfang on 11 January 2008, 10:19:47
Hello Bard!  I was wondering if you had a chance to consider the PM I sent you.  Sorry for being pushy, but progress is impossible without the tidbit.  Thanks!

-Drasil


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Eléyr Fásamár on 29 March 2008, 12:40:16
Hello Masterbard and Herbarium Mod!

Trinity (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12185.0.html) is ready for comments whenever you have time.

Thanks in advance!  :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Elendilwyn on 01 April 2008, 23:59:24
Dear Mentor...

After two years FINALLY... here's a short story, not really anything, just something to start to get back into the swing of things.

Ok - I don't know how to insert hyperlink so here it is

The Wandering Tree -  http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12397.0.htm 
by Master Tribell


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 02 April 2008, 08:57:13
Delightfully written and little to cavil about in style or execution!   I do find it ends far too abruptly, however, as you'll see I've commented.     Keep it going, why don't you - it can certainly support the idea, as can your talents!   We need many more fables such as this which encourage the various 'virtues' to which Santharians aspire... :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: rmr123 on 02 April 2008, 12:13:04
i was not sure who to ask about this so here goes.. how do i get started and create my character?

sorry for the inconvenience


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Artimidor Federkiel on 02 April 2008, 15:00:06
Wrong Forum, wrong thread - go here  (http://www.santharia.com/adv/) and read the newbie threads there.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 02 April 2008, 23:52:00
Yeah, I sent him a polite IM to that effect already, Art - but thanks!  :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 11 May 2008, 16:58:28
Just a screenie I needed a place to post... nothing Santh-related.



Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 08 July 2008, 18:55:38
Oh wonderful and amazing Judy?  *bats eyelids*

Could I have some help on Thergium behaviour?  I know the Strongpick Clan do trade with the Council Tree, but would they come and visit it themselves as well as the Brownies flying to them?  And would they maybe, like described in the post above, have helped form a proper (if precarious) path into the Vale?  Even if they just gave a little advice or traded tools to do it, that would still work.  But then they’re rather defensive about their knowledge aren’t they?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 08 July 2008, 20:22:29
Flattery, as Tharoc has discovered, along with a bag of gold, will get you almost anything.

Advice, though, is always free :D    The Strongpicks - hmmm... (thinks)  Oh, the Tenthrums!  I cannot believe they haven't got their own entry yet...



Just between you and me (Brownie to Dwarf atm), I think there is a secret tunnel (well, what good would a public tunnel be then?) from the edges of the Tenthrum-claimed area to the Vale.

The Brownies know that the other end is more securely guarded (as it comes down into dwarven territory) than any escape route they might devise, so it forms not only a trade route unbeknownst to humans, but a handy back door for the Brownies should they ever need it, protected from fire and other natural disasters.

The dwarves would have happily helped create a path: not only is that one of their mercenary skills, but that clan has a particularly close relationship, as noted.  This building project might have been one of the reasons for such a relationship developing in the first place. 


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 08 July 2008, 20:56:05
*watches as secret back door springs into place* :lol:

Phew, that makes it a lot easier, and the regular trade much more realistic. 


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Decipher Ziron on 08 July 2008, 21:10:25
Ah you guys are worse at keeping secrets than Marmarrans....Good job theres only one of me here.....


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Mannix on 12 July 2008, 12:39:02
Hiya Judy!  Hope you had a good time.  Anyways, Arti says Hubert (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12590.0.html) is ready for the update except for one thing, the quote.  May I ask you help with this?  Actually, Mira has been helping me along with the Candlebush (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12590.0.html) revision, which I believe you originally wrote.  He seems to have forgtten about it, so if you have time, I'd apprieciate it. :grin:

Mannix


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Nsikigan Ho´Tonanese Yourth on 15 July 2008, 05:37:28
I come as a representative for that Rakish Noble, Master Vaerin Quickblade of House Aerin. http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12721.msg152940/topicseen.html#new (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12721.msg152940/topicseen.html#new)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 24 July 2008, 02:14:30
Just a reminder to work on a piece of lore for my wisp... (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12753.0.html)

No rush...I know you have a certain illustration to do too... :grin:


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Tharoc Wargrider on 24 July 2008, 03:30:17
And I was wondering if you had pretty please remembered to have a little look at my Ashz-oc tribal banner?

No great rush, just a general enquiry.

You'll be delighted to hear that I've also decided what each clans emblem will be! Isn't that great? I'm sure you'll have loads of fun drawing them.........


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 04 August 2008, 21:57:22
Hey Judy, hope you’re having fun scribbling away at the drawing pad!  Just a dwarf-related question which came up on the rpg board, and I’m not really sure enough of the answer to advise the CD writer properly.  This dwarf’s mother died when he was 55, and him and his brother go off travelling together, basically making friends and getting helped by various people for a while. (Oh yes, they go and visit some elves too….what do dwarves think of elves?)  They then get a job from their Uncle at 61 – he wants them to take his Sulcho mushrooms and sell them.  Is this old enough?  Are they still children or have they become adolescents?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 04 August 2008, 22:57:40
Thanks for checking, Rookie!  I really appreciate the RPG efforts to keep things consistent.   

I quote the relevant passages here with my notes - you can pass them on...

"Dwarves have a fairly long adolescence, approximately eighty-five to ninety years of age before sexual maturity. This time of passage into adulthood is known as "Huregozar" for females, "Baregozar" for males, and is indicated by various subtle external and internal physical changes, and a new emotional steadiness and decisiveness (compared to adolescence, that is…). We may only guess at the qualifications for Hu/Baregozar, as they are determined individually in consultation with each young adult by the Denirim of the clan. The root words of this expression appear to come from the dwarven for ‘female’ and ‘male’ - Hut and Bar respectively - plus the archaic word for ‘hand’ - Goz - or possibly the word Regonz, meaning ‘achieved’ (literally, ‘no longer waiting’).

Once a group of dwarven adolescents have achieved Hu/Baregozar, there is a significant ceremony which takes place to recognize them as adults. The “Wirrutharoon” (roughly translatable as ‘Well-Made-Thing-Time’) is held fairly frequently by dwarven standards, roughly every ten years..."

So your dwarves MIGHT be mature for their age, but they still could not be expected to work independently - outside the clan - until they had gone through the Wirrutharoon.

At 55 their clan would be reluctant to let them Aboveground - rather like a 17 year old who's just finished highschool saying "I wanna take a break and go to India for a year"....  even in each other's company.   

Basically the description is fine - your player just needs to push back his ages a bit.

Mother dies when he is 55 - ok.  Where's his father - already deceased?  The clan is like a huge extended family, so the youth would have his own chores and apprenticeship already within that - he doesn't NEED to leave.  Let's say that at 69, a few years later by dwarven standards, he is considered mature enough and is physically precocious as well - he is allowed to join the preparation for the upcoming Wirrutharoon with adolescent dwarves (Shorrs) ten to twenty years older than he ( a difference of about five years as they'd see it).    Unfortunately he and his (twin, of course) brother are not seen as prime marriage material (the main reason dwarves leave their caverns and go above ground) and since there are never enough dwarfmaids to go round, they become 'Travelling Bachelors'...

"The few males who remain unmated often take the title of “Kavoninn Yabarrah”. They leave their caverns in order to sublimate their unmet sexual energies in their craftsmanship and dedication to another cause. They may join one of the famous dwarven mercenary troops, or settle in a human town and set up a business, sending much of their profits back to their home clan. This title is sometimes mistranslated as ‘Exile’ by humans who do not understand the complexity of dwarven relationships, or as ‘Thwarted Lover’ by sentimental poets. However, according to our Thergerim sources, it simply means ‘Travelling Bachelor’ – an unwed male who goes out from the clan…"

At this point - say, 70 years of age, their uncle sees an opportunity for them and offers them a position Aboveground selling Sulcho in the markets of XXX.   No problem!



I'd really recommend "The Midnight Morjual"http://www.santharia.com/library/thergerim_tales/texts/the_midnight_morjual.htm (http://www.santharia.com/library/thergerim_tales/texts/the_midnight_morjual.htm) as reading for this player, as it describes that time of life among the dwarves in a vivid way.  Also, the description of Een Puvtar http://www.santharia.com/places/een_puvtyr.htm (http://www.santharia.com/places/een_puvtyr.htm) is pretty atmospheric.






Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 04 August 2008, 23:21:14
Wow, thanks Judy!  You see, it's actually really easy to keep it in line with the dev when there are people to ask :).

The player actually had the father leave when they were very tiny because he wanted to try his luck farming somewhere else, and then the father never returned...ominous.  The CD is Thorum MithmezinnPolula (http://www.santharia.com/adv/index.php?topic=6060.msg242242#msg242242) if I'm not explaining it well.  The mother then moved with the twins to Tyr Thromgolin. Does the trading town have the same structure?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 12 August 2008, 04:02:02
Judy...I have this crazy idea that I've been thinking of...

My half-orc belief system is very nature-centric with their beliefs in the power of nature, beasts and the Hunt. It has alot of similarities with the druids, but I didn't want to make them entirely druidic, although it would be easy to do.

Instead, I want to link the Kaaer with the Fylja...perhaps there are certain powerful shamuts who are actually Fylja. It would be perhaps a step deeper within their religion to actually be able to become a beast to whom they so revere.

Given that the Fylja are mythical, and that the Kaaer are quite isolated from many other tribes, I don't think introducing the Fylja concept within the Beastlord faith would be too much of a stretch. Not only that, but the Fylja are a Northern Sarvonian concept and that makes it additionally a good fit. Perhaps the Osther-Oc could have old lore that tells of their half-orcen cousins having the ability to "shape-shift". Something that would give the Kaaer an advantage.

I am not proposing to make the entire Kaaer tribe a bunch of shape-shifters. I am only proposing to give the Kaaer an additional mythical aspect (whether true or not). If so, I could add some bits in the Beastlord faith entry of the possibly links between the Kaaer and the Fylja. Thoughts?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 12 August 2008, 10:29:55
Wooooo!  I love it! 


You have great logical reasons, but it also just feels right - to have the Fylja 'linked' to a location and a tribe is just what it needs to make the legends and lore plausible.   "There are certain powerful shamuts who are actually Fylja...." exactly right. 

The Kaaer are isolated enough and Northern enough to make an excellent fit mythically and practically.  Their love of beasts and their own mixed heritage...far better to have shapeshifters arise from this tribe than, say, the Eyelians.   I had always intended the Fylja to be based on the Nordic concept, and to be part of the 'weirdwoman' (or 'wyrdwoman' if you prefer! :) ) tradition. 


I imagine a wrinkled crone, 'Vulfmuter',  who dispenses herbal infusions and mutters prayers and invocations over the sickbed, an intercessory between the physical and spiritual world - draped in ancient silvering wolfskins and tatters of deerhide - at night strange howls emerge from her bromer, or a lean form is seen slinking away, to break out and race impossibly fast over the plains....


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 12 August 2008, 11:07:14
Oh yay! :clap: I am glad you agree, Judy. I was quite hesitant to propose the idea as I wasn't sure if such a thing were possible. I think this is a perfect fit. This opens up an entirely new aspect for the Kaaer's culture and religion...I have some revising to do!  :cool:


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 12 August 2008, 13:55:22
Let me know if you need any part of the Fylja rewritten or revised; I should love to make them integrated and cross-referenced.  I might also do another illustration... say that old wolf-crone... :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 13 August 2008, 20:27:37
And, yet again I'm leaning on your doorbell, asking for dwarven advice...I brought cake though...nom nom nom.

Anyway, do you know when the Council Tree and the Tenthrum might have started trading?  Or have any preference to which era?   I'd like to put a rough date in my history section.  I've got a first very rough draft of a timeline down in the entry (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12565.0.html), and I've put the beginnings of a relationship at around 0 a.S. (give or take a few 100 years), but it still could be pretty much anywhere if you have a particular preference.

Gah, history,

Rookie xxx

Edit:  Ooo, there is something in the singspeakers entry about them only being made in this way for the last 500 years or so.  Is this a reference to Brownie involvement?


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 15 August 2008, 04:32:54
Miss Judy,

Please peek at my revised Kaaer entries here  (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12436.msg155106/topicseen.html#new)and here (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,12710.msg155125/topicseen.html#new). You will definitely have to update the Fylja entry.  :D


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 15 August 2008, 11:51:42
No problem, Az, but I'm on vacation atm (the last long weekend before school starts, so EVERYONE in the country is on vacation) and we're up in the mountains with no wireless access - must be the only part of Korea that doesn't have it.... :)   

Comments and revisions when I get back!  Hugs!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Rookie Brownbark on 15 August 2008, 17:23:06
Don't miss my post above Azhira's either Judy - it has cake attached! 

See you soon :hug:


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 16 August 2008, 14:36:55
(snarfs down cake greedily then looks around)

Er, Rookie?   I hope that really WAS a little icing ornament on top that I just consumed...

Anyhow, I have no preferences, as the Tenthrums (technically Tenthrumim) aren't written yet.  The more you do the less I have to!   Blurargh, history....

(Which is odd considering that I majored in the stuff, read it for fun, and immerse myself in the fine technical details of medieval and renaissance-era food, clothing, music, and culture... I just hate trying to come up with it for Santharia!  I can never cross-reference all the stuff that should be there and make it effective...)

Oh, right, Singspeakers - yes, those are definitely built with Brownie involvement, but as I said to someone somewhere sometime before, the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing.   The parts which the Brownies make are done by two separate clans, (Maj and ...um.. the hands-on guys whose name I've forgotten) - the parts the dwarves forge are a third, and they don't come into conjunction until the Singspeaker for the particular cavern unpacks them in his assembly cavern and puts the machine together with his apprentices.  It's all very hush-hush technology!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 27 March 2010, 18:48:46
Greetings Bard,

In the City of Ximax: Discussion (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,14141.msg179821/topicseen.html#new) entry, I have included a temple of Jeyriall in the burough called Hollyale and was wondering if you had any thoughts/comments/suggestions regarding it. Here are some tasty treats for you to eat. I bought them from a nice little bistro just around the corner ...


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin on 17 April 2010, 06:29:52
Hello, Bard. :)  Was wondering if you could look at a newcomers entry and give your opinion on the Dwarfy bits.  You will find it here, called the Great Maul (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,14323.msg180185.html#msg180185).


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang on 19 April 2010, 20:36:35
I wondered if I could make the High Bridge in Marcogg a Fimble work. Would that be all right in principle?

If it would, there remains the question of when it was built. I'm thinking to date the Fimbles' origin to shortly after the early years a.S, so the High Bridge could have been built no earlier than the first century a.S. It would thus be some 1000 years younger than the Low Bridge (or Sunset Bridge (http://www.santharia.com/places/sunset_bridge.htm#Description)), which is estimated to have been built around 950 b.S.

Is that feasible?

(There would be a little stone fuzzle climbing up the right inner arch, which you could only see if you stood on the path right below the bridge, took hold of a crevice in the masonry and leaned way over the fence, half your body dangling above the Mashdai River.)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 20 April 2010, 09:35:50
Mmmmm...   Trying to remember.  I'm pretty sure the local dwarves were hired to do the major stonemasonry, as is traditional for most larger Santharian cities.  They have a monopoly on the carving and building of large blocks, at least...

Also, that particular bridge is fairly important in terms of traffic flow, so would have had to have been built fairly early on - at least in simpler form.   Perhaps... mmm...

Let's see: how about this little anecdote?  The local Thergerim WERE hired to complete all the (six? eight?) bridges across the Mashdai that the early city planners felt were necessary - they began at the bottom of the river with the workaday 'Sunset Bridge' and moved upwards.    Alas, the city fathers' purses were not as deep as their imaginations, and just as the last and supposedly greatest bridge was to be begun, the payments to the dwarves halted.   So, naturally, did the dwarves.   

No bad blood ensued, as the practical dwarves matter-of-factly pointed out that they had been paid for all the work that had been completed, but that without gold in advance to purchase the stones they would be cutting and laying, they would contract for no further, and the city fathers accepted this ruefully.   The High Bridge remained a rickety wooden footbridge used only by lazy nobility for many years... until the newly-formed Guild of Fimbles seized on it as a way to display their gifts and attract further business...

(Feel free to sneak in other fuzzles and similar fun details!  This should be a chance for them to show off a bit.....)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Azhira Styralias on 21 August 2010, 21:56:48
Miss Bard!  :heart:

When time permits, peek at my Netherworlds update. In particular, read the dwarven bits I wrote to verify it doesn't clash with existing beliefs. I've never developed anything dwarven related so I hope I've not completely skewered your precedent... :P

*Some of this was Arti's ideas too  :)

Quote
Dwarven Belief
According to the dwarves, the Netherworlds were a flawed creation of their God Trum-Baroll. Upon death, dwarven belief holds that the dead turn to stone forever to dwell in the earth’s embrace. While humans and elves may believe a spirit can exist after death, dwarven belief holds that the spirit may well also exist outside of the physical body for a time before becoming one with the stone of the earth. The Netherworlds, however, are considered a place not of stone, but of immaterial nothingness in dwarven belief. To the dwarves, there is no place of rest in the Netherworlds. As such, stone does not exist in the Chaos Realm and a dwarf would be loathe to exist there after death.

Some dwarven magi believe that the Netherworlds are the home of dark spirits whence magic can be called forth. This belief is similar to human and elven lore, but certain groups of dwarven magi teach that all magic power is drawn from the Chaos and made to materialize in Caelereth. This sub-sect of dwarven casters have come to be known as the XXX. Their belief is not shared by all magi, and in particular the Ximaxian philosophy disagrees with the XXX in many ways. It has been pointed out that the magic of summoning demons from the Netherworlds gives some credence to the XXXs’ teachings.

Another well-known dwarven superstition says that if one digs too deep into the earth, one will eventually reach the Netherworld deep below. This would mean that the Netherworlds is a physical place located somewhere in the center of the Caelereth Disk (as discussed below). Some dwarves claim to have an innate sense of exactly how far down to dig before encountering Netherworld presence or “dark stone” as they call it.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 21 August 2010, 22:08:26
Oh, dear!  I appreciate you checking with me on this one.  Loath as I am to contradict your creatively-written concepts, they do violate basic dwarven faith on this issue.  I quote from the Dwarven Beliefs entry:

Once the body has petrified and the life-force departed, most Thergerim believe that the ‘forgespark’ (soul, spirit, essence, or whatever name you care to call the mind and heart that animates a sentient being…) returns to meet its Creator – the great Trum-Baroll – and will dwell in his realm, the underground utopian empire known as Toll Disporbaroll. We say most, as this is the common belief; some of the older members of the more traditional clans will inform you fiercely that the body itself returns to be animated by the forgespark again, so that the deceased dwarf may have a corporeal existence in Toll Disporbaroll. Arcane dwarvish writings (not an accepted part of the "RockTales", but rather apocryphal) claim that there are in Toll Disporbaroll itself layers within layers, depths within depths, and the purified essence, with or without its body, will move ever deeper, to ever more fulfillment and joy.

Note: The Thergerim do not believe that Caelereth HAS a netherside. They don't believe it's flat. Or rather, it's flat, but not a disc - the earth continues downwards almost infinitely, like a column. The Overworld, or surface, is the flat, circular top of the column. The Thergerim live and mine in the upper layers of that column, which becomes, as they have observed, ever-hotter as they descend... At some point that heat becomes intolerable and dwarves can neither live nor work there: they say it is because they have not yet 'become stone' (see Dwarven Death Rituals). Death, then, is a way in which they can pass that 'barrier' of molten rock and descend even further, into the semi-spiritual, semi-physical realm of Trum-Baroll, the Stone Father.

Apparently the further down, the better - dwarves who have perhaps not been all they should have been in life, will remain on the shallowest levels of Trum-Baroll's domain (we humans would say 'on the outskirts' or 'on the lower levels'), labouring to feed His forges or pump His bellows. Work, effort, and loyalty may 'redeem' them from this service and allow them to move downwards, ever closer to the true heart of the Stone Father. Thergerim are reluctant to speak of these mystical lower levels, but apparently the Book (Trumesdrumerons) has a few archaically-worded passages which describe them...


So then, for the Thergerim, there is no 'hell' - no specific place of punishment removed from their god - but rather only a 'purgatory' which exists on the outskirts of their 'heavenly' afterlife, which itself has ranks and classes, rather like Dante's circles.   How this can be reconciled with a belief in the Netherworlds, or how dwarven magi view the source of demons, etc. is something I'll need to think on. 


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Deklitch Hardin on 07 October 2010, 18:07:12
Masterbard,

In a moment of insanity err inspiration ... or maybe both, I ascribed part of the dispersal on my poem 'The Brinitarisanear (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,14374.msg181304.html#msg181304)' to your good self. I wanted to get your thoughts on doing that, and whether you would be likely to spread it to the youngsters around Santharia. Many thanks,

Dek


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 15 April 2011, 08:36:38
Judith, I have a question about Wirruts. Does the dwarf who created the wirrut, assuming that it is something that is more permanent than a delicious pastry, retain ownership of it?
It doesn't seem an especially dwarfy thing to do.


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 15 April 2011, 15:51:55
Er..... what the tol'trum is a 'wirrut'?  My memory is going these days, nor can I find a reference to it on the site.   

In general, however, I can comment that dwarves are highly clannish - which means that any invention created by one of their own would be jealously guarded or carefully traded - ownership would be credited to the maker but all of the clan would benefit from it.   One dwarf does not enrich him/herself at the expense of the tribe/clan/cave, ever!  Hope that helps, whatever your purpose for asking... :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Mina on 15 April 2011, 16:24:40
It's in the Dwarven marriage (http://www.santharia.com/races/dwarven_marriage.htm) entry, apparently. 

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Once a group of dwarven adolescents have achieved Hu/Baregozar, there is a significant ceremony which takes place to recognize them as adults. The “Wirrutharoon” (roughly translatable as ‘Well-Made-Thing-Time’) is held fairly frequently by dwarven standards, roughly every ten years, so that there is always a group of youngsters who will go through the experience together. Each individual must prepare a “Wirrurt” or ‘showpiece’ – a presentation of their chosen craft or profession. For some it is simple; the apprentice smith sets forth his best sword or beautifully crafted necklace, the young baker slices a huge savory pastry and shares it out, the lass who has been learning under the Weavemistress is decked in her finest cloths. For others, their skill is demonstrated in less tangible forms; the Singspeaker apprentice must call down a pre-trained bat, ‘translate’ its vibrations, and successfully encode a responding message.

 :)


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Bard Judith on 15 April 2011, 21:38:19
(slaps forehead) In my defense, I took today off sick, quite legitimately, and am on some heavy painkillers.   Thanks so much, Mina.  A helpfulness Brownie point for you!   

Hmm, in that case, I'd have to say that Wirruterons should be considered individually, especially as some are less tangible than others.   I suspect that the swords, necklaces, pottery, etc. if judged acceptable as a showpiece, could either be gifted to special people within the clan as a token of esteem (or do double duty as a love-gift) or sold outside the tribe to bring in cash or barter items (priced up by clever merchants AS 'showpieces from mysterious Thergerim coming-of-age ceremony' perhaps)?   I suspect that is up to the individual young dwarf to decide.   Keeping it, however, as you suggest, Valan, doesn't sound particularly dwarfish.  Let's say that 'it is considered not only rude, but lazy, for the Wirrut to be kept as some sort of trophy, as dwarves believe that every subsequent (post-adolescence) task should be completed to the same high standards!'     

Perhaps I could get that added to the entry at some point, if you think that sounds good....


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Valan Nonesuch on 15 April 2011, 22:11:20
Thank you Bard, that is quite appropriate. The reference I saw to the baker's apprentice producing a pastry of great deliciousness and serving it amongst people made me think that it wasn't right. I mean, if a chain shirt is produced, at the very least it goes to someone who can make more use of it than a smith.

I ask because I had misgivings commenting on a dwarven CD, but wanted to make sure I got my facts straight (learning journalism for you). The offending CD was very undwarven to begin with. At this point it only looks dwarven because a helpful person gave them links to your Dwarven Marriage entry.

So thank you, once again for this lovely coffin nail!


Title: Re: Bard Judith!
Post by: Ridgen Sú'ufanán on 08 April 2012, 20:31:05
If you would please take the time to look here (http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.php/topic,14843.0.html) and drop comment or two, that would be most appreciated ^^

Thanks,
Ridgen