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1  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: Kuglimz’torik Religion on: 19 June 2011, 17:41:07
Hello Dieren!

Welcome to the Dream!
It is nice to see somebody coming interested in Religion! Sit down in our cosy room we have in this section of the library, dedicated to Religion, Cosmology and Myth.

Unfortunately for you, I have to agree with Dek in nearly all points. He has provided you with the links to the existing entries.

 I can't think of a tribe right now though, which has not at least a basic outline of gods, but, if you let sit this on your comp for a while, there may be an opportunity at a later time to use it.

As Dek said, it is always good, in every area of the board, to ask, if a certain submission is needed or not.

As we can't use your ideas above right now, what for others do you have which might fit better?
2  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: The Ciosans ~ Religious Cult on: 17 June 2011, 18:21:00
It is fine now, there is just one thing I missed and do not really like - the name of your Norn, Fate.. it is too obvious. Mind changing it to something more less earthen? But it is up to you.

I personally tend to draw from earthen examples also, but mix them up..

The pool:

Norns, disir, idisi, fates, moirae, parcae

Why not make up a nice name out of these, so that you still can see, where from the name comes ? An easteregg, so to say?

It is not necessary though, that you do it now, but when you should write up the Glandorian religion, I mean..  don't want to push you to much though...  grin
3  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: Murlar, R'unorian God on: 09 June 2011, 04:40:16
Valan, do you wish to get a detailed comment on this one now? As it is this far developed already, you can finish it and rewrite it later :)
4  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: The Ciosans ~ Religious Cult on: 09 June 2011, 04:38:20
Talia, you need to finish your commenting!
5  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: MOON - The moon rises in the East...or not? on: 05 October 2010, 01:35:00

The moon rises in the North-West!

As it is not moving away from the  disk as the sun does, it rises/sets for a given place always at the same point/direction .

I need a better description.

Its orbital path cuts the horizon always at the same point. Does that make sense?

Do you know, what I mean?

6  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: MOON - Orientation of his axis on: 05 October 2010, 01:26:52
Further discussions please in the main thread, I'll lock this one.
7  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: Patron Template on: 30 November 2009, 20:57:54
Azhira, could you please prepare (and upload on the stuff server under  /templates/template_cults.txt ) the cult template like I've done the other ones? :)

I will the edit the main thread and link to it. Please don't change anything in this monsterthread as long as I am here, otherwise my local copy is not up to date and that might get confusing ;) I deeply regret not to have made several posts.

I'll do the rest sometimes.

Edit, I forgot, that it is already there :)
8  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: Patron Template on: 30 November 2009, 19:28:40
I'll look into that.



I'll changed your heading to patron template, for it does not fit for a guardian (which could well be something different, I'll have some ideas), nor a mythical person in general.
9  Santharian World Development / The Santharian Library / Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo on: 08 July 2009, 15:43:40
I‘ll think that Mifer aims to have a quite new religion, though tied to the old elven one. The new prophet rejects the twelve gods and reveres only Avá the creator(dreamer).

To sin:

I would like to avoid the word „sin“ for the elves out of following reasons

-  It is burdened too much with the western common perception/association of moral, western moral. (e.g. it is unmoral to have two wives...)

(I say here ‚common‘, for in theology the basic meaning is: sin=distance to god: If you are distant to god, you are prone to break his laws. What these laws are, is human interpretation - what is seen as sin, or moral lapse can very well vary.... )

That would fit very well for the humans of Santharia, I think.

- The true character of the elves is not yet defined, but so far I thought we want to have not just humans with pointed ears. So why not choose a more buddhist way of their perception of the world, what would fit to them much better, IMHO.

(Buddhism e.g. doesn‘t know the concept of sin as the western churches have it in different variations, nor the word ‚original sin‘ nor ‚collective guild‘. It speaks more of beneficial or not beneficial deeds or thoughts, which are resulting in a good or bad Karma. They don‘t know forgiveness (from god) nor atonement in the same way as the three western religions)

Or anything else.

- Generally - why could not have the elves a different moral codex than the humans?

Not much thoughts have been invested here, I fear, but  so far I thought, that we want a very different race than the humans.


Mifer, your task would be mainly, to find a different word  for sin.

Misdeed, misdoing, perpetration, misconduct ???

I‘m missing the feeling for the English language to know what would be right.
10  Santharian World Development / People of the World of Caelereth / Re: Querper's Custodians: The Undertaker's Guild on: 29 June 2009, 07:26:18
In addition, to make the checking of your submissions easier, I would like you to post/quote all your sources you have dug up. This way it is easier to find up, what is already on the site and what you made up. Unfortunately I see this as an necessary request from past experiences.
11  Santharian World Development / People of the World of Caelereth / Re: Querper's Custodians: The Undertaker's Guild on: 29 June 2009, 07:22:22
Nsiki, I‘m seriously angry with you.

1. Why do you throw such an callow beginning of a submission at us, WIP or not, which is so badly researched? And without spellcheck? You have so many spelling errors in it that it is a shame you have posted it like this.

2.Yes, Talia proposed to take a Erpheronian city for your submission - but it would have been necessary to ask back, if it would be alright to take Nyermersys.

3. We talked about one city, not many.

4. Have you asked Art - and Koldar - if they are ok, if you want to add something to their entries?

5. You post your people under People, but use the cult template - I thought you were talking about a business untertaking and not a cult, for I do not agree to do a cult of Queprur as long as the priests/religion/magic thing is not settled.  


WIP
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Custodians of Querper: The Undertaker's Guild

I'm not very happy, that you link them so closely to Queprur, an undertaker who helps the people to get their death family members buried is not a custodian of Queprur, that can only be a priest.

Basic Overview
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In the city of Nyermersys, in the far north of Santharia, there is an ancient necropolis.


Wrong, it is outside

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Over this massive grave sits the beautiful, if somewhat intimidating Temple of Querper. Its macabre archetecture has brought some of Santharia's most macabe minds together under one roof. Among these death-obsessed souls are the Custodians of Querper, also known as The Undertaker's Guild of Nyermersys.

NO, no, and no

The temple sits not over the graves

Quote Queprur entry:

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Temple Design. The main objective of the temples of Queprur is to watch over the cemeteries, prevent thefts and protect the people from the revenge of the dead souls and thus they're built close to the graveyards but to provide also a place for the people to pray. Additional shrines are usually erected within the cities.
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The biggest and most famous temple of Queprur is the Hightemple of Queprur in Nyermersys that was built at the vast necropolis of this city and possesses a main sanctuary of the Goddess of Death. The temple is more built like a fortress than a holy place which is mainly due to the history of this region.

Nobody allowed you to describe the look of the temple itself - who said it has macabre architecture? Or is intimidating?

Why should there be macabre minds together? Or death obsessed? The priests of Queprur have nothing macabre  - and an undertaker will probably not be allowed to have their business places there - not their offices, though they might have  to work  there as well. (more on the graveyard than on the temple - the undertaker is not in the church at the service!

Please don't try to influence unwritten entries (priest,temple design) with small remarks here and there. This is one of your traits I don't like at all.

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These morbid men and women have dedicated their skills and lives to the service of the dead, and by extent, the saftey of the living. Sickness follows death, it is said, and by properly caring for the dead, plauged regions find themselves miraculosly healthy, and free of stench. The dead pass on, under the careful care of the Custodians, and the living sleep easy - until their final sleep at the end.

Why should they be morbid? What do you have for opinion of men and women who care for the death???

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Prevalence
--> Territory, I would say

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The Custodians Guildhall is on the outskirts of Nyermersys, though several smaller chapters have sprung up in the more crowded cities, where sickness was once prevelant.


Again, ONE city, there was no agreement yet, that they would exist everywhere.

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These smaller chapters range from employing only four or five in some locales, to twenty or thirty in the larger towns.


See above

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Nyermersys itself has about fifty full time undertakers and gravediggers, and an equal number of administrators and proffessors. There are around thirty students at any given time learning the trade in the Guildhall. Once these students graduate, they often scatter over Santharia, founding small orders of Undertakers.

See above, ONE city, not talking about the whole of Santharia, though we probably will need some - but there could be other solutions!


Nsiki, if you do not start working more thoroughly, doing your research more thoroughly and being more honest in what you are doing, (throwing that ‚thing‘ out was an effort to get something started which was not really agreed upon).

No, you don‘t have to ask ME, but whoever feels responsible for a certain area. You are still an apprentice, so please don‘t act, if you own that site.  


One - aura point.
12  Santharian World Development / The Santharian Library / Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo on: 24 June 2009, 23:22:03
Well, that's alright. But you did not answer my question about sin.
13  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: The Gobbleswap. Legends of a creature that becomes what eats it on: 21 June 2009, 22:56:28
Alright, switchted the posticon back to the "Comments Welcome"
14  Santharian World Development / Cosmology, Myths and Religions / Re: The Gobbleswap. Legends of a creature that becomes what eats it on: 21 June 2009, 17:24:59
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Ever since we were eaten by this peculiar creature that you are wont to address as Shabakuk Zeborius Anfang - and have thus acquired language, useless emotions such as pride, and a worrying awareness of our host’s mortality – we have been consumed by the desire to explain the mystery of our origins.


 rolling

Still have to read the tales...

too many  ; inthat first paragraph.

No other comments  - it is ready for uploading :)

Should I blarrow it already or wait for more comments?
15  Santharian World Development / The Santharian Library / Re: Ulki'aiá (New Move) The divine account of Quáel'cáo on: 20 June 2009, 15:50:55
Hello again Mifer!

You have here quite a bit of text and I see, we will have to se how many Coren you have, once you are finished. :)

I admit, I find it difficult to comment. I would prefer to know more about the history and the tribe first before I dive into that myth, or religious book. For you all is clear, you have the whole concept in your head. But for me, I don't know, where to put it. Even with an explaining introduction.

I have two questions so far:

You write:

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Such is the nature of mortal and sinful beings to apostatize from and corrupt the truths of their fathers,

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Ours is the true and holy calling of the divinity, and though swords of hand and mouth may be thrown at our blameless hearts the Divinity will not suffer that we with our truths will perish at the hands of weak and sinful mortals.

How do you define sin? What is sin for you?

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Therefore, I did grab my meager sack and did travel to the forests beyond. How long I traveled in the forests I know not, for I was lost so deep in thought that even many suns did set before I lifted my eyes from my path.

Awe and wonder did fill my very soul, as I found myself amidst an ocean of sand and sun. Yea, I did feel my tongue swollen with thirst, and my stomach sore with hunger. Realizing that I was to perish under the penetrating rays of the sun, I did fall to my knees, and I did call out to the gods to save me.


Has he dreamt, was it a vision? Or where should this land with an ocean and hot sun be?


Maybe you should have a look at the template here, for filling it out would help to provide a lot of information. But again - as long as the basics (the tribe) is not on the site, it makes not much sense to do it. But keep it in mind!




# Mythical Narration


    * Overview:

      The myth is surely known under a heading (eventually subheading) . Put it here along with any other names it may have including its meaning. Tell in short where and by whom the myth is told, mention roughly who plays a role in this myth and hint at what happens.

    * Prevalence:

      This is the "where" section. Put in here in which region of the world of Caelereth this myth is told, who tells it and to whom it is narrated.

    * History/Origin/Purpose

      How far back can this myth be traced, has it a defined origin? Why did this myth come into existence?  Has it changed over the time? Why was it told? Does the narrator want to achieve something with telling it? Is a ‚moral‘ message hidden - or obvious?

    * Importance

      Why is this myth important? Has it had any influence on society or otherwise?

    * Narrating the Myth:

      Here you can tell us the content of the myth, the story itself. It is preferred to narrate it as it might be told around a campfire, but a drier version which only mentions the facts is possible also. If the mythical story is very long, you can write an extra library entry and present here just a summary.



I see, that you have to write this down, it drives you!  But for now it stands relatively alone and I don't think, it makes much sense to put it on the site already. so I would propose, write along as much as you want, but don't expect too many comments. We let it sit here until you have done a few more entries , have your membership and are allowed to write the tribe down (as a masterwork if you want so, I recommend to take something easier and quicker, a nice , sweet, short entry! )

Have fun writing!  :)
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