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331  Organization and General Discussions / Newbie Information, Joining Requests and Recruitment / Re: Greetings on: 19 May 2008, 18:34:15
*chuckles* No, I'm not at the idea stage yet.

I think I said to a friend yesterday, when discribing this place, something along the lines of, 'I've barely begun scratching through the dust covering the surface.'

Although, of course I'm not implying this place is dusty  :P

Anyhoo, my questions...

It's regarding spell level mainly. I appreciate it's considered an imprecise measurement that humans are keen to apply to magic, but even so it's still confusing.

This spell in the School of Water. The first in fact on the list of official Water spells.

It is labelled as 'Level I', so I was assuming it was a beginners spell in line with the Level I defined on the spell levels page. Yet the spell description details relatively complicated reagents and preparation, and later on says it is belongs to Water Sphere III Growth.

I thought Sphere III was for much more advanced mages? And the novice ranks catered almost exclusively to Sphere I, perhaps venturing in to the early parts of Sphere II by Level 3? However, the spell description continues, and it does say L1-3 novices can enact the most simple form of this spell.

So at what level are the concepts of the Sphere's introduced to a novice?


Going back to the spell levels page. Level 6 is described as the level of Magical creation. This goes on to mention the requirements for creation involve the fine manipulation of all 4 elements. Yet I was under the impression an elemental mage can only manipulate their one chosen element.

I have (whilst waiting for a reply about where to post these questions) just found a discussion on Magic focuses, and have discovered that owning a Fire Focus, for example, would allow a trained Earth mage to utilise some aspect of Fire. So does this mean, for an Elemental Mage to create something, they'd require 3 seperate focus-(items) to allow manipulation of all 4 elements?

332  Organization and General Discussions / Newbie Information, Joining Requests and Recruitment / Re: Greetings on: 19 May 2008, 18:11:10
I have a few questions about my magic studies. Where would they be best presented?

A new thread in the magic forum?
A new/existing thread elsewhere?
A PM to a specific magic expert?

333  Organization and General Discussions / Non-Santharian Stuff: Life, the Universe & Everything / Re: Monday's Child... or? on: 19 May 2008, 16:44:57
Far to pie, and best in go... or something like that... huh

Seems to be quite a few of us.

334  Organization and General Discussions / Bell-Ringing - Notifications to Developers / Re: Artimidor! on: 19 May 2008, 06:10:43
How entirely weird. Never heard of that!

I know we shouldn't be discussing in here, but all mathematics as I have been taught a . is a decimal point. i.e 3.14159 for Pi. And a , is a thousands seperator.

Is this an American thing, or everywhere-but-UK thing, or simply a preference and either is correct?


Lol, unless it's the Santharian way of doing it? That didn't occur to me.
335  Organization and General Discussions / Bell-Ringing - Notifications to Developers / Re: Artimidor! on: 19 May 2008, 05:58:48
Just a minor oddity, and I might just be going crazy, but...

2.253 (2,608 per day)

In people's profiles you seem to have the . and , the wrong way round. Unless all the people I'm looking at do actually make 2k posts per day.

336  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: The Magic Commandments Discussion on: 19 May 2008, 05:37:03
Wow... now this is interesting.

I'm only a few hours into the Dream as a whole, let alone magic, so I'm scared to think too closely how little I know.

However I few things have occured to me; which as a fresh outsiders view, might trigger something useful to you knowledgeable folk.

First let me ensure I'm understanding your goal.

You're trying to construct a framework by which fundamental limits can be placed on Ximaxian magic (for now), so as to facilitate, I assume, an easier time inventing realistic new spells (and editing existing ones).

i.e less debate and confusion when a new idea is proposed. If it works under the Axioms, then it's allowed?


As such, the axioms have to be crystal clear, otherwise the debate will merely shift to differing interpretations of the axioms, rather than interpretation of the current rules you have jotted down around the place and in the heads of the experts.

If they do achieve this clarity, then new-commers to spell design will have to rely less on the experts, and be able to logically work through typical problems themselves. If they remain open to interpretation however, then you've achieved little, save more debate amongst experts. Useful to you perhaps, but less so to the project as a whole.

As has been mentioned in a roundabout way; the Ximaxian terminology is therefore crucial to this goal, and should likely be included at the top of the final document, rather than linked elsewhere. There seems little point declaring a list of axioms without first ensuring (rather than presuming) the reader is clear on the terminology.


This first axiom put forward by Artimidor (you'll become Arti to me soon I'm sure  ;) ) and the subsequent additional axiom have so far been very useful in identifying half a dozen critical terms to be defined. Focus, Target, Entity etc.

But now that you have these terms, I recommend you definately resist moving into any further axioms until you have your definitions spot on, and perhaps edit the opening post of this debate to include these definitions for anyone else looking to join this discussion.


Whilst I think about it.. a quick flash to that first axiom

Every magic spell that is cast needs a focus, and one focus only. The focus is the heart of manipulation, its pulse, the source of the magically active aura, and one spell cannot come alive with two hearts beating.

By my understanding, the highlighted part, attached to the first sentence in this way, is misleading.

Take away the 'a focus' part and the sentence reads... "Every magic spell that is cast needs one focus only."

This implies that whilst it only needs one focus, it could have more.

I suggest an ammendment to include "can have" after the 'and' in the red section. So it will read...

"Every magic spell that is cast needs a focus, and can have only one focus."

Picky I know - the end of the axiom does give the impression of there being a limit of one, but it goes back to the clarity you should be striving for. Closing off all opportunities for differing interpretations is crucial in my opinion.


Due to my own lack of knowledge at this point, I apologise my post hasn't be able to add anything to the actual details of spell casting. But this discussion is fascinating, and I couldn't help but chime in. As I will likely do again as my research continues.  :P

I follow with interest...

337  Organization and General Discussions / Newbie Information, Joining Requests and Recruitment / Re: Greetings on: 19 May 2008, 03:36:08
Oh, but i forget myself! Please allow me to introduce myself, my name is Miraran Tehuriden, but names tend to wear down to two syllables pretty soon around here, so you can just call me Mira

*chuckles* I'm fortunate then, it seems, to have put myself ahead of the game with a name of only one syllable. Unless you're suggesting people will try to make it Sm-ee. There's always Smeester I suppose. A common alternative I'm known by.

338  Organization and General Discussions / Newbie Information, Joining Requests and Recruitment / Re: Greetings on: 19 May 2008, 03:29:25
Oooh, more lovely replies so soon.

Er, Smee, if you're tending to the magical side of things, shouldn't you be levitating, and not gravitating?

*giggles, albeit in a manly way*

I'm certain I'm in no place to answer this yet, although I'd hazard a guess that levitating (if anywhere) would belong to the Wind school.

I can't say I've chosen a school for myself yet, so I'll continue to gravitate for now  :P
339  Organization and General Discussions / Newbie Information, Joining Requests and Recruitment / Re: Greetings on: 19 May 2008, 03:10:11
Thanks for the warm and kind greetings.  *Tries the Baian Cha'ah and finds it to be as good as advertised*


Any idea yet where your interests lie?  We usually point newbies over to the bestiary or herbarium, so if you're stuck I would also recommend heading there.

I've just spent the last several hours having my brain thoroughly and extensively wrung out and spun dry by the magic theory, and I'm almost certain this will be where I'll gravitate.

Magic has always been a fascination to me. In any, and every, fantasy book I read, it is the parts explaining about that particular story's magic system and the uses of magic that entertain me the most.
The Ximaxian magic system (and others if that term doesn't cover them all) created here seems vast, complicated, logical and imaginative. Exactly how I like them, even if my head hurts right now.

I'm lucky to have a job that gives me access to the internet for large portions of my day, with ample opportunity to procrastinate on what I should be doing. So, I fully intend to immerse myself fully in this magic.

Rookie, I do believe I've seen one of your comments already - regarding the plausability and possibilities of Wind Necromancy.

Of course, whenever my head is about to explode, I'll take a break and explore other aspects of this world. I've already listened to some of the songs (very impressive) and look forward to seeing what people, beasts, flora and fauna can be found.

Thanks again for the welcomes, and keep them coming. Always nice to meet new people, see new names.


Edit : So far my only disappointment was finding out this project is already 10 years old. It irritates me no end that I've missed out for so long.
340  Organization and General Discussions / Newbie Information, Joining Requests and Recruitment / Greetings on: 18 May 2008, 19:24:31
Greetings, from myself, known to many as Smee D'yer.

A dear friend sent me directions to this place and I find myself in awe and overwhelming anticiaption as to what I will find.

I begin my epic and no doubt lengthy, exploration with much enthusiasm and look forward to, perhaps, in the distant future, adding my own influence to this creation.

My own talents lie mainly in a relatively recently discovered, and growing, enjoyment in writing fantasy, as well as a long term love of many fantasy books.

Great to be here, I shall set out immediately to discover the dream for myself.

I'll be in touch.

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