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31  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: More brainstorming: The Orb of Ximax on: 19 September 2005, 14:43:00
Mina,

When writing the Ximaxians might not know why the Orb works this way, I actually meant more of an analogy with e.g. the laws of physics. It is possible to describe very detailed how gravity works, for instance, but why there is such a thing as gravity is a totally different matter.

But of course it should be possible to create a theory that not only explains how the Orb works, but also why it exists.

As said I propose the effect that draws "magical resistance" from the surrounding area to the Orb, so that effects nearby are enhanced, but the Orb itself cannot be affected by magic. (Which explains why the Orb cannot be manipulated).

Moreover, I wonder if you should limit the explanation of the Orb to only the Ximaxian version. After all, other magically educated groups might also have their own ideas about the Orb, considering it is an important magical artifact.

KR,
Theodorus

32  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: More brainstorming: The Orb of Ximax on: 06 September 2005, 00:10:00
Magnifying glass-theory sounds plausible, but another option occurred to me.

Perhaps it could be something that lifts the natural "resistance" of the environment against magic. Obviously, magic doesn't occur spontaneously, but is "forced" upon an environment by a mage by using willpower to produce a certain magical effect. The greater the  effect (thus, the greater the change), the greater the amount of willpower required to achieve it.

The Orb could then serve as a natural occurence that somehow reduces this natural resistance against magical change inflicted upon a certain area. Possibly, it could absorb the "magical resistance" of the environment and thus become itself even móre resistant to magic (which explains why the Orb cannot be moved by magic and such), or perhaps even to almost every form of change (so it can't be moved normally either).

Then why the Orb does such a thing would be a totally different matter, though I suppose you could see the Orb as just a manifestation of a natural occurence. (Or it could be regarded as a "tear" of Avá, which by its existence allows for things to be "dreamt up" without much effort, just to give a hint for a more mystical explanation of its existence)

KR,
Theodorus

33  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Xeuá on: 24 December 2003, 11:32:00
Erm, perhaps this is a silly question and I feel quite stupid asking it, but.. Isn't a Xeua link itself already a manifestation of an Ahm/Soor balance? Do we have to regard each link as an Ahm-connection, or a Soor-connection, and are we thus obliged to maintain a balanced amount of both kinds of connection. As the Xeua entry as it no is also states that Xeua is the MUTUAL realization of Ahm and Soor.

In this way, each link is already balanced in Ahm and Soor (like a atoms are connected through positive and negative), and the whole discussion about the amount of links becomes irrelevant. However, I somehow have the feeling this is all nonsense, but I posted it anyway. Though I realise this troubles the way in which you envisioned Mages making things more Ahm or more Soor. (this could perhaps still be done in a way similar to more positive/negative atoms/ions)

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

34  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Xeuá on: 23 December 2003, 04:49:00
Well, I did say I would probably miss any point at all. I've been away just during the development of all these ideas. However, I do think you missed my idea altogether, as you also seem to miss Silfer's idea.

In your perception, a Mage works the elements, thus influencing the Xeuá links between the elements. The difference in Xeuá links (whether it is an increase/decrease), results in the effect of the spell.

In Silfer's perception, as I understand it, as well as in mine, it is not the difference in Xeuá links that creates the spelleffect, but the difference in elements. All Xeuá links can be regarded as equal. (just as all connections between atoms can be regarded as mostly the same. The properties of the resulting molecule are based on which atoms are involved). The spelleffect is a result of differences in Elemental proportions within the Cár'áll.
Now, a Fire Mage will not be able to manipulate Earth, as you seemed to be thinking, because he can only "target" the Fire Element within the Cár'áll, just as an Earth Mage will only be able to "target" the Element Earth.

However, now I need Silfer here to see if my interpretation of his words is correct. Also, I well refrain of making any comments on the Ahm/Soor principle until I think I understand it.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

35  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Xeuá on: 22 December 2003, 11:32:00
I think I have to agree with Silfer here on this. Althoug I do not yet fully understand all of the information here, I did a quick search on Santharian magic entries and found this:

"Elemental Magic deals with the content of the aura, altering of quantity and the shifting of proportions of the elements within the aura of things as well as with strengthening and loosening links between these elements."

In other words, elemental mages work by shifting the proportions of the elements in one's Cár'áll, and Xeuá mages work by strengthening/loosening the Xeuá which connects the Cár'áll.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

Edited by: Theodorus Holzman at: 12/21/03 18:34
36  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Hey! on: 29 January 2004, 13:21:00
I agree, as long as there are smaller schools, it will probably work. Some schools could be under Ximaxian rule, others could be independent institutions. Perhaps governmental, or private schools, depending on the politics of the specific region.

But, I must admit, that I still do not fully understand, how a gifted child reveals itself. Did we agree on the principle of self-revelation, or on the seeker mages? Or does somebody had another point/idea?

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

37  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Hey! on: 27 January 2004, 07:08:00
It also depens on the definition of "school" of course. I tend to see schools as typically human institutes, and not something elves would develop. Thought that could just be a prejudice towards Elven nature. Still, I think Elves would have another system than schools, perhaps something more in the direction of personal teachers or so. Perhaps even a friend or family member, though I do not know what the magi/elf ratio acutally is.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

38  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Hey! on: 27 January 2004, 02:23:00
It  is possible to connect these two idea's, I think, which may perhaps result in a sensible solution.

Let's take for granted that the Santharian government pays Ximax to find gifted children, so they can be taught in a secure environment. Well, because of the great distances, all the searching cannot be done from Ximax alone. So, Ximax could send out small packs of "seeker mages" who then settle in a specific region and do their searching from one of the major Santharian cities. Thus, Santharia is divided into smaller regions, which all have their own small Ximaxian "satellite school" which searches for the children.

These schools could than provide students (10/13) with basic education to control their magical talents, and once in I while, the most promising (13/16) are sent to Ximax.

This way, Ximax also controls the satellite schools, and maintains Ximaxian education there. This makes sure that those smaller schools do not use other ways of magic than Ximax, plus that it limits the chance of children being abused by small-minded government mages.

I'll try not to, brother...  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

39  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Ximax searching for mages? on: 26 January 2004, 15:28:00
Well, first I would like Art and Silfer to agree on the official Santharian stance towards magic, because it is of great importance. If magic is accepted, gifted children will be sent by their parents to Ximax, to cultivate their talents.

However, if magic is met with hatred, paranoia and "torches and pitchforks", I do not think it is likely that gifted children would be let go to Ximax.(to be cast out would be more likely). And thus, only people from near Ximax would go there, which brings us back to the initial problem, what happens with them?

However, can somebody first tell how magically gifted children are found? As we still do not have consensus on that one. It seems that it is very hard, so if this isn't solved, we won't have any magically gifted children discovered at all, instead of the few who live near Ximax. (which could also be an option, of course)

But, to return to the children. We take that it's clear that they've magical talents. And then:

A) They can't study anywhere
B) They can study somewhere

In case of B, this leaves us with a few options:

1) At Ximax
2) At other Magic Schools
3) By personal teachers
4) Completely by themselves.
5) Else .

1) Ximax cannot, will not and does not receive all students. So, this is probably not very likely

2) Previously in this topic, the argument (from Silfer), was that schools were rare in the medieval times, and thus in Santharia. Same goes for Magic Schools then, if there aren't even less of them. However, if Art thinks it is possible for more schools to exist, it would be a considerable option. So, this is perhaps the solution to our problem. Thus, we need an agreement from Art and Silfer here too, before we can do something.
3) This option seemed to fit into the medieval character of the society, however it would create a magical system that is not completely compatible with Ximax. Also, the question arises, of where did those wandering mages come? And, how would the Santharians view those wandering mages?
4) Would be nearly impossible, now wouldn't it?

Furthermore, I would like to point out at Silfer that I did understood his post and merely tried to explain why we had even dared of thinking of Ximax searching for mages.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

40  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Hey! on: 26 January 2004, 10:43:00
Well, the problem is, that if Ximax doesn't really search for potential mages, they cannot be found. Or, if they reveal themselves, they're indeed met with torches and pitchforkes and lynched at the nearest town square.

Thus, we needed a solution to the problem how magically gifted children were detected and how they would come to Ximax. The idea of Ximax searching and taking these children is perhaps an option. They would be paid for it by the Santharian government, who would regard this policy as a good and humane way of removing potential magical "threats" from their territory. Ximax would just do it for the money, and to fill their city with students.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

41  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Hey! on: 17 January 2004, 12:42:00
Yes, that is a problem. Although some mages might have the ability of sensing other mages, it would never be possible to cover the entire Santharian kingdom. Nor would they be able to find those weak and untrained children.
Perhaps Ximax could construct some sort of device, by which to track people down, and then send mages to find them. As those mages would be able to find those people within a shorter range.
I do not know, actually, what the political stance of Ximax is at the moment. In the past, it has tried to remain neutral, as I see it from the entry. Perhaps governments would pay Ximax to rid them of "meddlesome" magically gifted people?
Then we have the question, do we force people to go to Ximax, or are people left to choose? If people are not that afraid of magic, perhaps the fact that undeveloped/untrained gifted could never pose any harm, would convince people to let them live an ordinary life.
A less tolerant approach however, would include children to be forced to be taken, with the chance of them taking revenge when they've developed their talents.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

42  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Hey! on: 17 January 2004, 10:35:00
I've, so far, not been able to find an entry which explains how magically gifted children would be detected.
It indeed seems so, that children wouldn't not perform small magical treats, which would lead to discovery. Thus, we would need professional "mage-finders", to search and "collect" young mages. If this would be a Ximaxian bussiness, it would also explain how the children eventually reached Ximax.
However, there's also another problem. How are children persuaded to leave their family and home, so they can go to Ximax? Are they forced, or do they have the choice of not going there?
Further, I do not really know how paranoid the Santharians are towards magic, but I'm under the impression that it is still not a very well accepted phenomenon. However, we have the Magic Masters to provide is with this information. If they would be so kind as to reply to this topic.
*looks especially in Silfer's direction*

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

43  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Other magic schools? on: 16 January 2004, 15:16:00
I checked the Entry on the Seven Schools of Magic, btw, and it seems it is located on the Edge of the Void, not in it. Thus, it would be possible to accept students. Exchange students are also mentioned in the entry itself, though it states they must be of use to the community.
However, I cannot tell if it is possible for normal men to live on the edge of the Void, though I do think it would be possible if they're within the Brownie's sphere of protection.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

44  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Other magic schools? on: 16 January 2004, 15:11:00
The government, so eventually the king's treasury, I think. As it would be seen to be for the common good to send those kids away. And yes, some may have to be forced indeed. However, this makes me wonder about something else. How do the Santharians know that their children, once they've studied at Ximax, will not change their allegiance, or pursuit revenge for their deportation?
Because, if there would be a chance such situations could occur, imprisonment or death would be a much more likely way they would deal with mages.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

45  Santharian World Development / Magic in the Lands of Caelereth / Re: Other magic schools? on: 16 January 2004, 14:05:00
@Talia:
Perhaps we could desing a system in which local authorities monitor magically gifted children, and sends them to Ximax? This way, we can solve both your problems. Ximax becomes the only real school, and haven for magical children. And all children are sent there, escorted perhaps, by the (local) government.
Because, with a lack of government regulation, wouldn't it be likely that children with magical gifts would be banned from their communities, and be left alone somewhere in a dark forest or something? Or even worse, imprisoned or killed right away?
Perhapse these are silly questions, but I do not really know to what extend you've planned the magic paranoia to occur in Santharia.  

"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune-they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures."

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