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« Reply #15 on: 03 April 2007, 07:33:33 »

Hold on, I had a thought.

Well, Ximaxian magic works (stated simply) by stimulating the connections between parts of the energy. Objects like water have more water car'all connections, but mages don't need actual water to use magic. The just stimulate the conenctions around things to use magic.

would that be about right? if thats the case, we don't really need to sense sources of water anyway...
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« Reply #16 on: 03 April 2007, 08:37:16 »

Not necessarily.  It depends upon the method of casting you are using.  For spells such as Numb, where you increase the influence of water in a target to make its properties apparent, your understanding works, however for spells, such as shape water, which require bodies of liquid, you need the actual presence of water ounia, taken from a form of liquid to complete the spell.
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« Reply #17 on: 03 April 2007, 08:49:21 »

Drasil: Mina said, in that spell, that "an object's car'all is never separate from the surroundings". That is not at all the same as "one with the surroundings". I agree with the former, but not the latter. And the former, IMHO, means that it is always connected to the surroundings - but from that, we cannot in any way deduce "completely connected and not distinguishable", which is the statement you need, I think.

Allow me a parable: *Silfer holds up a shirt* "This shirt has embroidery on it, and the thread of that embroidery is connected to the shirt. I do, however, assume that you can easily tell me where it ends and where the shirt fabric begins, and furthermore, that you are aware of both?"

Of course, it boils down to what we, or rather, you guys, as I have been long gone, want - but I don't see any practical reason to disallow sensing of car'all, as it IMHO does not give us any nasty side effects.
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« Reply #18 on: 03 April 2007, 20:24:21 »

Well, the cloud chamber example was actually much like the compass one I gave. You can't sense it directly, but you can manipulate things in such a way that everything acts exactly as you predicted by your theories, further confirming them (and if they don't then it means you need to update your theory). So it wouldn't be tingling in your stomach or a tiny voice in your head but rather an external thing everyone can see (making colours change, moving a needle, stuff like that).
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« Reply #19 on: 03 April 2007, 20:42:12 »

@Marvin: How would such a spell work?  Altering your own perception so you can sense (or think you can sense) car'all makes more sense to me. 

@Sifer & Drasil: The way I think about it is individual car'allia are more or less distinct, but not completely; you can't really tell where one car'all ends and another begins, because they are all to some extent connected to each other.  And then keep in mind a car'all is often a part of a greater car'all as well, eg. compare the car'all of a leaf and the car'all of a tree. 

Spells like Shielding Winds can be thought of as creating a new car'all too, in the sense that they create a region that is distinct from its surroundings.  But that's mostly just semantics. 
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« Reply #20 on: 03 April 2007, 20:50:51 »

Well, many things. Most spells actually as for most spells you can see something happen.

For example if you wanted to prove that air had fire ounia you could create a large fireball in as small room causing the air to cool down. Not sure how you could create an actual 'compass' to find certain things... Maybe by aligning something according to the concentration vector of a certain element in the surrounding car'allia :P
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« Reply #21 on: 03 April 2007, 21:20:25 »

Uh, yeah, I meant the compass thingy rather than proving the existence of car'all. 
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« Reply #22 on: 03 April 2007, 21:23:52 »

It was more an example to illustrate what I meant rather then something thought out with how it works and all :)
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« Reply #23 on: 04 April 2007, 06:11:24 »

Mina: Yes, car'allia do not have precise borders, but I still hold the opinion that we can distinguish between them in the general case, even if we may have problems sometimes. In the present context, I would say that small bodies of water would be hard to find, as they "blend in" - but larger ones would not. And so forth, I suppose.
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« Reply #24 on: 05 April 2007, 23:49:57 »

Unless it's a really tiny body of water, like say a small puddle, it shouldn't be all that hard to find (assuming you can see car'all). 

Yes, it should still be possible to distinguish between individual car'all like I mentioned, just that there's no precise border as you put it. 
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