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« Reply #15 on: 17 December 2008, 06:02:32 »

Well, according to the entry (which was written before I came on board here, and may need some editing and expansion):

The Kuglimz believe that when they die, they shall join their Gods. No longer will they have but bodies of light, and they will link with the Rouk’oriot to combat the darkness. This is a pleasure that every Kuglimz looks forward too. That is why death is not much of a burden to their minds. They also believe that occasionally a person will be reborn. That person will be one who is instrumental to them, and only allowed back by the will of both Sur’tyan and Lier’tyan.

So that implies that for them, there is not a physical location for the afterlife.  They simply join with the light to fight against the darkness.

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« Reply #16 on: 19 December 2008, 01:10:17 »

True, no physical body, no physical location needed  shocked

However, given that while there is a physical body there is ALSO some light (soul, spirit, consciousness, dreaming...), it follows there is a relationship between... let us call them the realms of light and those of the material.  In a way, there are only two possibilities:
 
1. We think of the material as packed full of dimensions, allowing an explanation for some of what those wacky magician types do... such as invisibility being a slight step to the right (or was that left?) into one of many infinite dimensions, leaving essentially everything as it was, except the world sort of forgets you. Of course, if two people become invisible, do they perhaps see each other?  In any case, gods and goddesses no doubt become quite adapt at moving around this sort of thing, and so they may be living in any one of their favorite temples, only, just to the right (or was that left?) where perhaps they cannot be seen or felt directly, and perhaps they can also sort of forget about the folks praying to them sometimes!

2. There are no material things whatsoever, it is dreams stacked upon dreams all the way down, like the proverbial turtles...  Of course, it is not really clear what the difference between 1 and 2 would be exactly, except perhaps it might be easier for some travellers to learn to traverse dreams if they think of them as dimensions (but then others will do better just dreaming!).

A note on LoR and the Valar.  When Belariand was sunk into the sea, part of the deal was some kind of "bending of the world" that made the Western lands unreachable without essentially magical aid (no more Numenorians coming and leaving their beer cans on the beach!).  It may be that the world that WAS flat was thus made round, since at some points Tolken did regard middle earth as our earth, just a long time ago (I think 6000 years was his thinking - so I suppose a Christian God's dreaming before this dream or something of the sort).

Just my two cents on gods, goddesses and THE God(dess) in the dream...  Keeping in mind there is a category difference between the first two and the last -
gods and light elves are super developed spirits that probably spend considerable time not dreaming, but kind of resting, just aware of the dreams of others. Of course some probably go to a lot of rock concerts and crazy parties -  I would think the god of lust and desire probably just cannot get enough...  Anyhow, when moved they manifest into the dream pretty much where and how they want to, about as naturally as humans take a walk and dwarves dig a tunnel.

But here is the really big question... Can they also manifest WHEN they want to?  Meaning, can they choose the year they manifest?  My hunch is a sort of weird yes, since TIME is what dreams are made from, and if you step outside of time, you have a lot of freedom in how you step back in.  You could step RIGHT or LEFT...

Okay, I hope my excessive metaphysical dreaming doesn't bore anyone.  BTW - I used to call doing the above sort of thing my day job  buck
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« Reply #17 on: 19 December 2008, 01:39:44 »

And what was that exactly? *is very curious*
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« Reply #18 on: 19 December 2008, 01:59:43 »

and the hunters...
hellhounds, furies, headless horsemen, reapers, ghouls, demons, fairies...
oooh, what a lot of lovely monsters we have to choose from.  grin
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« Reply #19 on: 19 December 2008, 03:54:40 »

Hmmm ... hands off the Hellhounds :) ... *picks up the vicious beastie and takes it back to the Kennels* At least by that name, they are considered a breed of warg at this time and are believed to have vanished ... which means I'm carrying nuffin but a name back to the Kennels lol. They are referenced in the Rast Warg entry and the name picked up from the War of the Chosen entry. grin And also referenced here in the overview of what Tharoc and I plan to do with the Wargs.
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« Reply #20 on: 19 December 2008, 05:18:50 »

wow, wasnt aware of that - thanks for pointing it out, as a fan of big pointy teeth i'm always interested in things like that.
just wondering if you've looked into the barngheist/ cu sith/ grimhound stories - of big ghostly dogs, with teeth of steel and eyes of fire? the cu sith is especially interesting - it's ghaelic for fairy dog, and they're either pure white with red ears or bright green. :D.
i know, i've gone off on a bit of a tangent, sorry...
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