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[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

I wanted to get off the Places forum so we didn't hijack it completely, but I want to continue some discussion on the general ideas here.  That said, I want it known at the outset that I'm not argueing for any particular goal (my kingdom for example), but wish to learn what the general opinion is about how Santharia is to be developed.  This is mostly for my own eddification, than anything else.  I want to stop hitting walls.  To do that, I need to get what your vision is, because I think I missed it somewhat.

I shall start with you, Takor, as you have become my biggest nemesis. (and I mean that in a complimentary way, trust me.  You give it to me straight, and I appreciate that.  You obviously know so much more than I about Santharia, and a love of it that I too have developed.  Which is why I'm going to learn from you, by way of having you disect my work. lol.).

You say that my horse should be a horse that could be in the icelands, and not be anywhere else.  My idea on that is that it makes everything seem 2 dimensional.  I don't think that everything should be created to stereotypical standards.  I think the real juiciness of life (both RL and Santharian Life) comes from the interaction of opposong viewpoints. 

There was a discussion awhile back that touched on healers and that sickness was caused by sin, as was thought in the middle ages.  It was then debated whether or not this would be appropriate in Santharia.  IMHO this is a wonderful chance to create internal conflict, which in turn creates interesting characters and situations.  If all the healers of a tribe all believe the same thing, then have we created a fountain of possibilities, or a stagnant pool?

Going back to the horse then, does a horse that can only be found and used in a small area on the map create possibilities, or lessen them?  Some creatures, yes, a small area might be best suited.  Not every animal should be found everywhere.  But, I think that is more a nature thing, which breaks down when man is involved.

@ Everyone.  So, please, no nasty notes on what a jerk I am.  I'm trying to get opinions.  I want to learn the theme that you are trying to put forth.  It will make me a better contributar, and that is all I want.  The more opinions I get here, the more it will help.  I'm on this site every day, and I'm constantly reading and researching, trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can.  My opinions are just that, and I have been known to be wrong before. (April, 1975, if I recall...I said Batman was way cooler than Superman, boy was I wrong)

So, fire away.  I'm interested in hearing the opinions of those smarter than myself. (everyone)

[Artimidor Federkiel]

As someone who has studied philosophy I forgive you for misspelling philosophical, Altario, as the point you make is very valid in my point of view as well.

You put it correctly I think if you suggest more or less indirectly that the conflicts we have are too often discussed on board in order to get one point of view the upper hand, and not in the world. Of course it is not always helpful to transfer the conflicts into the world, as some decisions need to be made on board. But there are cases where I think that things need to be kept open, and given to the people of the world to interpret them.

Like: Does God/the Gods exist? No need to predetermine that - on this we have agreed BTW already. Or the healer discussion: Why not give it in the hands of the people in this world to decide whetheer they see sicknesses as punishments (and purifiers as something religious) or not? People are diverse - let's accept it! I also have major disputes with the magical department (as it becomes too scientific in many way in my point of view), and actually I suggested that we should try to establish different "schools", so that magic for the one is more spiritual, for the others more scientific. There are people who want to forbid necromancer from the Magical Academy completely. Why not let people disagree, have dark practices in the back rooms? etc.

I think these are key questions. - Trying to solve all conflicts on board I think doesn't serve our primary goal of creating a realistic world. I guess in conflict lies great potential, and we're indeed two one-dimensionsal in this respect.

[Takór Salenár]

I don‘t have the time for this discussion, for we will be in Italy at this time of day in two days, probably visiting the end of a festival which turns around ducks (You can win a live one, but eat dozens of roosted ones as well!). And there is still a lot of packing to do.

So, just a word to the illness /sin debate.
If you reread what we posted already - I‘m not against this concept - but I want to have it mainly for the Aeoliran religion, for there it fits MUCH better than in Santharia for the Religion of the Twelve.  As I said already, of course the idea will be known in Santharia as well, by the educated people, but I would still prefer that the normal person does not generally think this way, that the predominant belief doesn‘t follow this path. I don‘t think, that it lies in the nature of man. At least I was very surprised when I had to learn, that this was common belief within the Jewish belief. There is no need to abandon all these nice conflicts you mentioned.

Maybe I find the courage to post finally the (already finished for quite some time) General „Clerical“ Magic and the „Viarian“ (Santharian) Magic when I‘m back.

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

@Takor.  I'm jealous.  I would love to go to Italy sometime.  uhm...DUCKS?  Well, here's hoping you win one.  I wish you a good time.  Maybe a festival concerning some thing like ducks could be constructed here.  A light hearted festival.  Bring some humour to the world.  Not the Ice Tribes though, they HATE to laugh.  (just teasing)  Have a good time.  I look forward to your return.

BTW...don't worry about finding the courage to post your new Magic.  Look at me, I post fearlessly and nothing happens to....uhm...bad example.  Well, SOME people post and have nice things said.

@ Artimidor  First...Can I call you Art?  I hate spelling out the whole darn thing! 
Second....I spelled philosophical using a Tharian dialect the Ice Tribes use..yeah, thats it!
Third...I agree that these RL discussions would make great fodder for internal conflict in the Santharian world.  Not only would it give us more things to explore, but would enhance the RPG side as well.

[Miraran Tehuriden]

Aw, Takór, can you bring back a Demon Duck? we havn't had one in New Santhala for ages!

[Irid alMenie]

Alt, you can always address him with 'Oh Great Sage' and bow down to him 

But seriously, we all call our dear webmaster Art or Arti, so I doubt he'd be angry with you for doing that too, would you Arti? *takes a cautious step back*

[Artimidor Federkiel]

Of course you can call me Art, Alt There's a tendency towards 3-4 letter abbreviations on the board, it's like a virus I tell you!

@Tak: "Mainly", yes, there's no problem with that, a problem would be "exclusively" for me - this would limit us unnecessarily I'd say. There could be regions which tend towards such a religious interpretation for certain reasons etc. This is just one example I think where we set limits where it hurts creativity if we are too strict. It's not mainly this specific issue I'm concerned about, but about the general way we apprpach such things.

[Miraran Tehuriden]

Actually, names all just get shortened to a maximum of two syllables. In some cases this doesnt sound verry well, and we reduce it to 1 (Art/Dru/Alt) usually because the next syllable consists only of a vowel. (ArtI/DruA/AltA)

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

**shakes head...can see this degenerating into a long winded and nasty fight on the rules of nick names**

[Irid alMenie]

That's the nice thing about having a nice and short name like Irid. They tried to shorten it once and it didn't work *grins*

Anyway, about the discussion now. Takor, it was actually quite common in the european middleages to attribute major illnesses (such as the plague, or leprocy) to the wrath of god, either for personal sins or for sins by the whole of mankind, depending on how much of an epidemy it was. But for smaller illnesses they usually didn't think sin responsible, or the majority didn't.

[Drúadan]

Anyone mind if I switch gears and talk about something else Art said in the places thread this conversation started in? Its kidn've down another road, though similar to the concept of definign what a Newbie should work on. *scratches head* Nothing to do with horses or disease though. But I don't want to hijack the thread, so before I post my longish speech. Any objections?

[Miraran Tehuriden]

just make a new thread?

[Artimidor Federkiel]

I'll split that Places topic and move that part here in the General Discussions, so you could reply there.

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