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« on: 02 July 2007, 00:43:25 »

I was researching Ancient Chinese weapons the other day, and saw a weapon that looked somewhat like my picture here, and thought it would make a nice ceremonial weapon.  The Sun-blade, or something like that.  It might be too impractical for a fighting weapon, though in the hands of a master, it can be dangerous.

Any ideas, comments before I start with this??  BTW, my pics always end up lacking, so anyone with ability who wants to improve this...hint hint
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« Reply #1 on: 02 July 2007, 04:22:12 »

How big is this weapon, Altario?  Is it used like a blade (i.e. swept back and forth in front of one) or is it like a throwing star?

Perhaps it could be a Nybelmarian specialty, since it is rather exotic looking?

As a ceremonial weapon, perhaps it is used in a sun (Injera) and/or moon ceremonial rite of some sort, as you imply.  Did you think of it as being a religious rite, thus restricting the use (possibly) to priests and acolytes?  That would keep it from inexperienced hands except under strictly supervised and regulated conditions set by the priest-masters during training.

Just my two sans worth,


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« Reply #2 on: 02 July 2007, 05:23:39 »

In the picture, you can see the grip in red, so I woiuld estimate 2-3 fores in width.  It is one handed, and the user would employ 2 of them.
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« Reply #3 on: 03 July 2007, 04:30:04 »

Two to three fores?!  That's as much as a meter across, Altario!  I think it would be   impossible to effectively wield two large metal circular weapons of that size.  I was thinking they were maybe about a fore and a half, around 5 palmspans or so.  Wouldn't that be more manageable?

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« Reply #4 on: 03 July 2007, 04:46:44 »

I concur.  1.5 fore at most. 
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« Reply #5 on: 03 July 2007, 04:58:24 »

Reminds me distantly of the Klingon Bat'leth ("Sword of Honour") from Star Trek:



These are pretty huge at times and can be used two-handed as well.
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« Reply #6 on: 03 July 2007, 05:06:11 »

When I saw them, I thought so too, but there are other chinese weapons that look even more like klingon bat'leths.  These are (were) real weapons from ancient times.
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« Reply #7 on: 03 July 2007, 05:41:10 »

Yes, they were real.  I don't think I've ever heard of them being used for anything but martial arts though, and even then they're fairly rare.  They're one of those odd weapons you don't often see. 
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« Reply #8 on: 03 July 2007, 11:26:48 »

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They're one of those odd weapons you don't often see.


My reason for incorporating them here.  I think they ARE odd enough to make them Santharian.  They are a bit too exotic to be a main weapon, so that is my reason to go ceremonial, though in the hands of a master....

Where would be the best place for them, though.  I was thinking somewhere that the sun was revered, as they look like a sun.  I looked up Injerin, but I think they are too peaceful.  Is this so?  Any place else?
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« Reply #9 on: 03 July 2007, 14:59:10 »

Korweyn perhaps?  I don't know much about it, but apparently it's called the 'Empire of the Sun'.  Maybe you could talk to Rakshiri about it.  Another possibility would be the priests of Foiros, but I think it is preferable to avoid adding things of non-European origin to Santharia.  Santharian is supposed to have a mostly European flavour, I think. 

By the way, judging from photos found online, it looks like the weapon is only about 30cm (a foot) across. 
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« Reply #10 on: 04 July 2007, 01:42:15 »

Korweyn perhaps?  I don't know much about it, but apparently it's called the 'Empire of the Sun'.  Maybe you could talk to Rakshiri about it.  Another possibility would be the priests of Foiros, but I think it is preferable to avoid adding things of non-European origin to Santharia.  Santharian is supposed to have a mostly European flavour, I think. 

By the way, judging from photos found online, it looks like the weapon is only about 30cm (a foot) across. 
there called fire rings and are a pretty unavertized chinese weapon often used like scthes to cut grain fire rings i think with a few adjustments could be a great hand to hand concealed weapon like a dagger
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« Reply #11 on: 04 July 2007, 02:15:28 »

You are new arent you? My not introduce yourself in the joining forum?
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« Reply #12 on: 04 July 2007, 02:16:52 »

Actually it seems they're called 'wind and fire wheels'.  And don't you think they're a little too large to be easily concealed?  
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« Reply #13 on: 31 July 2007, 08:18:20 »

Wind and fire wheels is right. They're somewhat related to this weapon: The Chakram, which is a metal disk designed to be thrown. (though it it indian in nature)
Wikipedia knows:

Wind and fire wheels (Feng Huo Lun) are mêlée weapons, wielded as a pair, associated with Chinese martial arts such as Baguazhang and Tai Chi Chuan.

Each wheel is a flat metal ring approximately 15 inches in diameter. One quarter-arc has a padded grip with a cross-guard; Opposite and adjacent arcs have protruding flame-styled blades. With one wheel in each hand, the practitioner can slash, stab, parry or disarm an opponent.

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« Reply #14 on: 31 July 2007, 15:38:20 »

Thank you for the comments, everyone.  Still just a proposal though.  Have quite a few brands in the fire right now.  If I can get some of them finished officially, then I will get back to this.  Details are flying around in my head.  (yes, I know there is lots of room for them to move :P)
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