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« Reply #60 on: 09 January 2008, 13:08:56 »

Don't Mormons also hold that women must be 'saved' or 'brought to faith' through their husbands?  Don't anyone jump on me if this is incorrect, I'm asking!   Again, this belief for the Ice Tribes would fit with a patriarchal structure.

That aside, it's a different issue from HOW the tribe believes to WHOM they believe in, and it seems we're thrashing out both issues at the moment.  How about those goddesses?  Do they exist at all besides Nech-what-have-ya, do we want a couple of terrifying ones, or meek subordinate 'pairs' for each of the male gods... let's get that discussion back on track too! 
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« Reply #61 on: 09 January 2008, 13:46:48 »

I like the pairs!  (Sorry for the 'single-sentence-in-lieu-of-a-real-comment' comment :P but I'm busy today...)
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« Reply #62 on: 09 January 2008, 14:39:15 »

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 azn Maybe as I've suggested it it give women to much power but I like the  idea of a banishment period where a young man has to survive on his own.


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I think your right about the mormon wives. If the ice tribes practice polygyny it would be a good way to keep multiple wives in line.


As for whether or not they believe in goddesses and what they are like after looking over a list of Norse Gods and Goddesses and skimming the goddesses mentioned there I would say the ice tribes should definitely have goddesses and they should not be wimpy ones.

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« Reply #63 on: 09 January 2008, 16:01:14 »

Xera, the marital traditions of the Ice Tribes should be discussed elsewhere, not in this thread, which is concerned with the gods themselves, and really not even the worship of those gods, which is another brainstorming thread entirely.

Seems this thread is disolving into three topics.  Let us all please keep it to the make up of the gods themselves, not how the tribes worship them, and certainly not cultural traditions of the tribe.  Thank you Judith for trying to steer this back on course.

As far as the gods having subordinates, we have already thought of asexual beings, with a beast/man type right hand men.  If we go that route, do we need another type of subordinate?  Many type of strong patriarchal societies still had female goddesses in their pantheons (Greeks, Persians, Aztecs).  Should this be any different?  Maybe even make the goddesses those aspects of nature that the tribes fear the most, as fear breeds loathing, and this might be the seeds of the harsh view males have towards women.  Just brainstorming here.
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« Reply #64 on: 09 January 2008, 17:01:43 »

Let us not forget also that the condition in the icelands are really harsh, so a banishment period or a very complex or "philosophical" system would be out of place IMO.
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« Reply #65 on: 09 January 2008, 23:27:19 »

"Maybe even make the goddesses those aspects of nature that the tribes fear the most, as fear breeds loathing, and this might be the seeds of the harsh view males have towards women..."

I think that's a brilliant observation.  Certainly of the various suggestions, the 'horrific' goddess is the avenue I'd choose to develop.

Logic:   They cannot be emulated by the women of the tribes because they are perceived as brutal, elemental forces (rather than strong avatars), they are resented and feared (those emotions being transferred to the subordinate women), and they are given tribute/placated (as opposed to being worshiped and revered) because of their arbitrary, irrational behaviour (the whims and vicissitudes of a cruel natural environment).

Curgan also reminds us that in Mazlow's pyramid of hierarchies, survival is the first basic need and spiritual development the last.... the Inuit, for example, would never consider banishment as it would effectively be a death sentence (not to compare the Ice Tribes culture with the gentle communal Inuit one!)  Xera's idea would add flavour to a more southern clan (perhaps even in a very southern desert, or the Isles) but I think it's unusable by the Ice Tribes).
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