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Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin
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Remusian Nomenclature
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Hi Art. Saw what you did with Sophronian Nomenclature and thought it was great. I've been working on my own nomenclature for the Remusians... well, just writing down what I make up on the spot when creating both entries and on the RP site.
I had always envisioned ancient Remusian as a dialect of Tharian, and this is what I have so far, which is not much. Perhaps with your help, I could create a more detailed nomenclature.
Remusian Nomenclature
Art Arah
Arrow Arrock
Autumn Ahtu
Blood Bluhd
Boot Beyout
Cave Kayni
Claw Grau
Dagger Dragguer
Daughter Duorochtyer
Doctor Duotyer
Esteem E’shov
Falcon Fahlkoyn
Fever Haifyrth
Fire Fyrthara
Fish Phyllu
Flake Fisah
God Kor’och or Rethyum (if talking gods of the Ice Tribes) or Ubzher (if talking the gods of other societies)
Golden Gorrin
Griffon Griffyn
Guard Garron
Hand Hanno
He Agisth
Head Hai
Horn Honogh
Honour Honeyr
House Kivhar
Ice Icsain
Lance Launce
Moon Myu
Mount Mologh
Mountain Mologheyr
New Nacu
Orc Orgth
Peace Peyce
Rebirth/Reborn Kor’och
Ride Resyllun
Self Mov
Shield Shialt
Silver Silfayr
Snow Shanno
Sun Shyu
Sword Suahrd
Temple Tambohl
Water Whanno
Warrior Whyshnir
Who Mon
Wind Zekarsis
Winter
Wison Wissone
With Eff
Word Wochen
Structure
Fey- used as “of” in naming things, where the noun is found before the adjective descriptor. As in Lance of Alleda becoming Alleda-fey-Launce. It is a more traditional way of writing.
Eck- a non specific conjoiner, put in to bring about the noun to the beginning as in Golden Shield becoming Shialt-eck-Gorrin
Ohm- a possessive conjoiner used when the noun is at the end, used when fey is not needed Shendekkar-ohm-Arrock, Shendekkar’s Arrow. In the above example, Alleda-fey-Launce might have been written, Alleda-ohm-Launce, Alleda’s Launce. It is a more modern way of writing, compared to fey.
Orsah- Is usually used to denote a title, as in Orsah-Dragguer, meaning The Dagger, an officer rank in the Army.
Language
He who rides the Mount of Kor’och, rides with god himself!
Agisth mon resyllun Kor’och fey Mologh, resyllun eff Kor’och agisthmov!
Numbers
0 Afra
1 Ert
2 Zund
3 Alesh
4 Nech
5 Wea
6 Nect
7 Phob
8 Asend
9 Peiero
10 Aster
11 Bren
12 Het
13 Rea
14 Chel
15 Parg
The Remusian’s have a 15 numeral based system, with a zero number as well. The first set of numbers, correctly would be afra-ert, afra-zund, etc, but most people simply go by the suffix, ert, zund, alesh, etc. The numeral following afra-parg would then be ert-ert, ert-zund, etc, up to parg-parg. The next numeral would then be ert-afra-afra, ert-afra-ert, etc. At higher numbers, this does get cumbersome, though the Remusians seldom have need for higher range numbers.
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Re: Remusian Nomenclature
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23 December 2007, 08:23:11 »
I believe that this goes in the Languages forum as it seems to be the basics of the language. Nomenclature refers to typical schemes for deriving names, not speaking the language.
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Re: Remusian Nomenclature
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23 December 2007, 16:16:33 »
Ah yes, Grun has also posted the Serphelorian nomenclature stuff here in the Races/Tribes Forum, so now the Remusian one was also posted here. Should ideally be in the Languages Forum, yes, so I'm gonna move both threads now there.
On the topic itself: Don't have the exact origins of the Remusians in my head now, but considering that the Tharian tribes somehow have the same roots as the Remusians the idea sounds great to just modify the Tharian terms to somethings more ancient, which is not exactly Old English
- Still wonder how "Wind" is related to "Zekarsis"...
So if we go that way that means that we wouldn't work with typical syllables to construct Remusian names, but rather translated words and get combinations out of that, Red Indian style (Lonely Wolf, Sitting Bull etc.) To make that work you would need some rough rules on how words transformed, e.g. wto deduce from the changes you made in your word list rules that stuff like "ount" changes ideally to "ologh" and such. Simply to keep things from being just random. The Language Generator could then be fed with whole words instead of just Syllables, I could fix e.g. the -eck- as second "syllable" when generating and derive various combinations.
To make things perfect SNG would need a new feature however, which I already planned, which is: To add the translation of syllables (or words) in the maintenance and display it as well. Maybe I can get to that alread during the Christmas holidays
Also: Remusian nomenclature works with a first and second name obviously, and you haven't mentioned how the first one is constructed. That should be clarified as well.
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Re: Remusian Nomenclature
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23 December 2007, 21:14:43 »
Sorry, I just had to post here. I don't know how Altario wants the first names to be formed, but some of the names (which belong to the last names that he has given already): Altario (ahem
), Graviaro, Jorgan, Araman, Allemeddo... That's all I can remember right now.
Here
you can find some of these names. Not all of them are Remusian, but most are
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01 February 2009, 03:50:13 »
Getting back to this. I have learned a valuable lesson, though. Do not just plunk in 400+ syllables into the SNG, as you create, then after hope to C&P those syllables onto a word document. Uh uh. Nope. Had to go through the list one line at a time and write down all the syllables, and sort them into their categories. This list is for First Names only. Ugh... I can't Format this pretty.
Beginning Syllables
Male
Ab ba con dah edd
Abu be dar edmu
Alla Brem dega ego
Alt Bro den egro
Alv Bu dezo emret
Ank Bwoar dir evohl
Aom By
Ara
Ath
Azi
Faz Glar hed Ilm jah
Fer Gra hob Ith jeng
Fet hor Ix jong
Fil hur jor
For jud
Fur juh
Kev mfer nat ob
Kress mikl ni odo
Kurl mvesh nil off
No ogi
Nus oh
oing
oth
Pel qay ra sag tim
Pery qi re se tray
Qohr rel seth tril
Ri shaw
Ro si
Ru so
Su
Uel va wa xan ya za
Ul vayl war xas ye zak
Umo ve we xen yin
Ung vi wi xor yo
Uth vir wo xu yul
Uwe vo wu
Vu wy
Vur
Female
Ael besh cuya dia egness
Aelo bih cylla dohl enna
Aenna biz dsan ethe
Afre blia duy eva
Ag bo dya
Ajni Buy
Ani
Appa
Ash
Fey gahn helm Icha jihn
Foan gayl hkis Ifeyn jloi
Gea Hun Imma jwain
Gen hwae Irah
Guin Ityra
Ma nel ocha
Mav omma
May otya
ovis
Pahn qoy rash seh teh
Pid riz sian tia
Pix riztal siva tjana
Ruhna slia toa
Suhn tri
Suli tuhna
Surya tulpe
Ulli vuh way xush yhasu zoa
Uly when yia zoy
Uqua yola
Ura
Ending Syllables
Male
Abahr bix cear darl ell
Agol blo cist dij enj
Al brohl clog din eras
Allon cuhr dle eyu
Am do
Ario dreth
Astas dxe
Dyr
Fell gab hze ish
Few gan ithuhl
Fex
Fij
Finn
Fne
Kahr lan man nech of
Kher ld meddo nik olg
Khon mon nix olm
ourin
Peg qor rask set ther
Pev rohn sh tor
Sug
Uch vahn wurg yar zhur
Uk vedd yster zig
Um vegg zir
Uw ven
Ux viaro
Female
Achi bah ca dea eni
Ada bij cia dpa eppa
Ae Bun era
Ah eri
Amy erin
Andra ess
Ari eze
Fay giah hanni ibe jux
Fde goa hoyl ien
Fia gs hyal Ihye
Flo gwe iln
itia
Khari la mea na oa
Koy lay moay nay oen
Kya mura nu osha
Musha ny
Pa qayn rii sa
Pu qea roa
Puah qoa ryn
Uca via wea yanna zia
Ugi voa wia yi ziy
Uma vola yohna zoi
Umi vy yu zula
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Re: Remusian Nomenclature
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Posting all those syllables wasn't really necessary, Alt... For one, sending me the database would have sufficed. Also, generating names can be exported easily with the export button (if you have the most recent version of the program). And if you had Microsoft Access you also could have copied syllables much faster...
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Some of the shapes the sets make...
under the Category of Female the last 3 sets resembles a person to me...
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02 February 2010, 15:51:57 »
I am very very unhappy with the direction I was going with this. To be honest, there was no direction. It was just me making up words for Tharian words. I want to scrap this entirely and restart from scratch. Perhaps scratch is not the right word. Thanks to Talia's Astropic post the other day, I discovered a language called Ro. I was intrigued by it and want to go in that direction in creating an ancient language for the Remusians, based on this language. Now, the problem is, I cannot say for certain that the words I have already created and used in entries before will stay the same. Will this cause too much of a problem? It might mean me editing some entries, but in truth, I think I was the only one on this side of the site who used it. The RP side might have a few CDs that are affected, but that concerns no one over here.
Let me know if it is safe to proceed.
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Oh Alt, you are so brave - I have some ideas for a Shendar language layout (it is heavily based in Tharian anyway), but I have no idea how to complete it.
Can't answer you question here though. How many entries would be affected?
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No more than a handle of entries, Talia. Some words in the Remusian Men, maybe the Snowflake (which we should have entered by its Tharian name anyway, correct? After the glossary discussion?), maybe a couple more. I'll adjust the Snow Falcon before it ever gets approved.
There is a very thin line between bravery and stupidity. I believe I cross it back and forth on a regular basis.
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