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Kavogerim Phonology:
Consonants:
Labial Alveolar Post-Alveolar Palatal Velar Glottal
Nasal M N
Plosive P,B T,D K, G '
Fricative S Sy H
Affricate Ts, Dy
Trill R
Approximant L Y
Vowels:
A - open central rounded vowel
E - open mid-front unrounded vowel
I - close front unrounded vowel
O - close mid-back rounded vowel
U - close back rounded vowel
Dipthongs:
Ay, Ey, Iy, Oy, Uy
Kavogerim Alphabet: (Kavogerim adds the vowel "a" when reciting the alphabet)
A Ba Ka Da Dya E Ga Ha I La Ma Na O Pa Ra Sa Sya Ta Tsa U Ya
Word Formation:
Often, morphemes are combined together to create a unique concept.
Example: OKaanAtaUm = O (do) + Kaan (close) + Ata (eye) + Um (ing) = Sleeping
Bag-oKita= Bag-o (before) + Kita (us) = Older or elder
Although double letters rarely exists in the modern Kavogerim tongue, it still does. Words that contains double letters are considered to be from the older form of the modern tongue of the Kavogerim. Consonant clusters are also rare and thus also considered to be from an older form of the modern tongue.
Example: UnSthommErons (he like stone) - Dwarven Father
Verb Tenses:
Verb Tenses are created by adding Karet in the beginning of the sentece.
Past Tense: Ter
Immediate Past tense: Ayer
Present Tense: Eber
Future Tense: Are
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I think in most forms of English, 'charcoal' and 'jar' are pronounced with affricates, not plosives. And I notice you have a row for affricates, but no affricates listed. So I suppose it's a mistake of some sort? On the other hand, it could be interesting to have a postalveolar series.
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Ooopppssss! Sorry about that! You are right Mina, ts and dy should have been affricates
I did not observed the movements of the air in my mouth closely
Also just a question, is it possible to have an alveo-palatal /d/ ?
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Well, alveolo-palatal fricatives exist (Mandarin has them, for example), so it's probably not too weird to have alveolo-palatal plosives too. But since you already have /d/, I don't think it'd be a /d/ as well. Probably something like /d
j
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S is suppose to be an alveolar but I think I pronounce it like an alveo-palatal (with the body of my tongue behind the alveolar ridge).
Where is your tongue when you pronounce S?
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Hmm...I'd say it's something like the blade of the tongue almost touching the alveolar ridge, with the tip of the tongue barely touching the teeth.
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Thanks about that Mina, I guess I just pronounce words differently.
Hmmm... I hope Lady Judith would have sent me the Dwarven Files though,,, or maybe she had, but where can it be?
I'll work on the vowels quickly, I will put them last since they confuse me a lot!
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Well, looking at what you currently have, it seems your vowel system is something like /i, ɛ, a, ɔ, u/, which should be fine.
What Dwarven files are you talking about?
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Basic Principles of ThergerimTaal:
Formation of Sentences: ! DradikTaal Wiralyehyim! “He’s a frank speaker!” (lit. ‘rough language talk-ing-er’)
Morphemes, or units of meaning, are capitalized, then run together to form a complete concept, often creating compound words in the process. Capitals and double letters are eliminated from morphemes when the concept forms a name or a complete new word sanctioned by long usage. YehLithInn - do + passion + ing = Yehlithin => lovely, loved one (often used as an endearment among Dwarven couples) or Enn - love, Eninn - loving Enoeuim (‘en-NOY-oo-eem’ - “beloved”) . Where capitals still remain in common names it often indicates an archaic usage ( UnSthommErons, those like stone - the Dwarven Fathers) Spaces separate the different parts of speech as necessary to distinguish meaning and provide a visual break: Ylaoth Khirildrum - the Isle of the Glimmering Stones
(mistranslated. Literally, “Island - Jewel - Story”, or the Mythical Island of Jewels.)
Tenses and Conjugation: … Ave Kul Oe Ona Uhny… “And I will always love you….” (song lyric)
ThergerimTaal does not conjugate verbs – they remain regular, or in simple root form. Tenses are formed by adding an Averet (AveVerEt), ‘time-marker’ at the front of the sentence, thus immediately clarifying what the dwarf is speaking about. Past sentences start with Ver, future sentences start with Ave. Non-marked sentences are always assumed to be present tense; an action that is actually taking place at the time (present participle, ‘-ing’) has inn added to the verb to emphasise its immediacy.
Questions (Khoalerons): ? Ver Khotaph Papraz Eenjuvig Huun EenjuvigPuveen? “Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar? (lit: who bad-take small-cake out of small-cake-pot?)
Khor - What Kholou - Where Khoaver - When Khouhn - Who Khotaph - Why Khohun - How Uu - Yes Paa - No - Khordispor – Whatever – lit. ‘thing-unknown’
Questions are also indicated by a Koporet (KoPorEt) , ‘doubt marker’, before the subject and verb. Question words are based on the doubt prefix and the appropriate root; eg : When - Khoaver, literally “ unsure - time”. These markers always come after the time-marker, thus:
? Ver Khotaph Hu Kaenul ? Question – Past – Why – She – Cry (Why did she cry?)
? Khouhn Pra Hu Kaenulinn ? Question – (Present )- Who – Towards – She – Crying (For whom is she crying? or, depending on context, To whom is she crying ?)
? Ave Khordispor Hu Kaenul ? Question – Future – Whatever – She – Cry (For what reason will she be crying?)
Punctuation: !Hutpu Duterons! “Sh-tty Arse-oles!” (curse-word, often heard when accidentally hammering one’s thumb)
Dwarves have their own script, and thus their own punctuation. As in tenses, punctuation is put at the very beginning of a sentence to indicate with what emotion the sentence should be read. The convention in translating or transliterating ThergerimTaal is for scribes to use human punctuation marks, but set them at the beginning and end of sentences to more closely approximate dwarven style.
Statement . Used to frame ordinary sentences
Excitement ! For strong emotion
Question ? Unsure, doubt, request
Joke * meant lightly, amusingly
Emphatic / Indicates absolute certainty
Sarcasm < Inverts meaning of sentence
People Words( Therge Aleron): . Ver Aveveryim Barbartol Korek Som. “My grandfather’s clock was too large for the shelf…” (lit ‘Time-er of Grandfather large-er (than) ledge…’
Barol - Father Huttol - Mother Eenbar - Brother Eenhu - Sister Thereen - Baby Unbol - Son Hunol - Daughter
Huenbar, Huenhu - Aunts Barenhu, Barenbar - Uncles Hubarol - Grandmother on Father’s Side Barhutol - Grandfather on Mother’s Side (You can figure out the rest from here., right? Gender of individual usually comes first, then the relationship.) Huenegrin – ‘aunties’ Barenegrin – ‘uncles’ - an affectionate way to refer to the senior dwarves of the cavern
Oe - I Uhn - you Uhnegrin - you all Ba - he (male) Hu - she (female) Theh - we Distheh - they Uth - us Negrin - all KoNegrin - none Wi - it (thing or genderless)
Yabarrah - Bachelor (unwed male dwarf) Yehurra - Maiden (unwed female dwarf) Lekunn - Child (1 to 10 human-years of age, not yet weaned) Shorr - Adolescent (young dwarf under the age of Hu/Baregozar) Kavoninn Yabarrah – Travelling Bachelor
(Yabarerons / Yehurerons / Lekunerons / Shorerons are the appropriate plurals)
Race Titles: / Konaver Sprukthu UrtBerav Pra Harrenja/ (never waste a good joke on an elf!) – dwarven proverb
Dwarf Thergerim – untranslatable, but carries the meaning of ‘our people’, ‘loyalty’ and ‘unbreakable bond’.
All clan names contain the last morpheme ‘erim’/’arim’ , which is believed to mean ‘the dwarven people’.
Elf Alaverimin - “Long-Living” . (Alternately, Harrenja - literally, “Leaf-Eared”, or Caorprioon, “Woods-Dweller”.
Human Vothuten - “Sunlover” or, less courteously, Kegertheren - “Surface Folk”, even Gerrezt - “Ground-Scratcher”!
Orc Dragrum - “Rough-Toothed” or, disparagingly, Covikgrupu - “Rude Eater”
Hobbit Barzilmutten – “Halflings” (literally, “half-body”!)
Gnome Undegolz - “Clever-handed” or Undwirreli – “Craftsmen/Artificers”
Brownie Eenwit - “The Smallest Ones” (“small-thing-most”)
Mullog Anushona - “Swamp-folk”, “Wetlanders” (wet-place-ones)
Troll Nedzoluun - “The Bitterfaced”
Directions ( Kholou Aleron) : !Shu-Theu Thelonerons! (By our beards!) – ancient dwarven warcry
Direction words are used as prefixes or suffixes. Dwarves don’t distinguish between the two in terms of meaning. Neither do they distinguish prepositions of movement, though we have sorted them separately below.
Nol - north Sol - south Eol - east Wol - west Coincidentally, the acronym for the compass directions is the same as the Human (Morelsche) tongue. It is believed by scholars that the earliest human settlers borrowed dwarven usages to describe the country around them, and a consonant shift occurred in many words to make the sounds easier on the human tongue.
Huun - out Pri - in Ke - over Tol - under Ber - next to Pripra - to, towards, into Shu - by Ket - on Disket - off
Ner - up Waar - down Av - right Bar - left Wer - front Guul - back
Dimensional Directions: !Disvo Ner Hiwi Waarlok! “Don’t go up the down tunnel!” (signboard in Mithrilite excavation)
These are unique dwarven directions for working in three dimensions, possibly in low - or no-light conditions. They are relative to the Thergerim body’s ‘earth-sense’ only.
WerAv - for’right (45 degrees to the right of the body’s front )
WerBar - for’left
GulAv - ast’right (135 degrees to the right of front, or 45 degrees left from the dwarf’s back)
GulBar - ast’left
AvWaar - right (90 degrees) and down 45 degrees
WerAvNer - like a straight-arm salute, pointing 45 degrees up and out from the shoulder)
and so on
Numbers(Takeleron): /Gor, Bar, Berbar, Ave Oe Uhny/ One, two, three, I seek thee! (Dwarven childrens’ counting chant)
0 - Koneg (Nothing) 1 - Gor (Onething) 2 - Bar (Male) 3 - Berbar (NextToMale) 4 - Werhut (BeforeWoman 5 - Hut (Woman) 6 - Etinn (Marking) 7 - Den (Holy) 8 - Thergetyr (Clan) 9 - Dishun (Incomplete) 10 - Golzeron (Hands). Fractions are known as Warzilerons ( from Warzilyeh - to divide, partition equally) . ½ - Barzil 1/3 - Berzil ¼ - Werzil 1/8 – Gezil ... and so on. Numbers must be inferred from context and intonation when spoken, as each number word also has its own meaning. (For example, does ‘Den Mettotherons’ mean ‘seven books’ or ‘holy books’? ) When written, of course, they are scribed as number runes rather than words and thus this difficulty does not apply.
Connectors (EenAleron): !EpEen EpEenwit! “As small as a Brownie!” (lit. As small as the Smallest Thing!)
Pe - with, -ly Kul - and Vani - or Muut - but Bari - if Ep - as Ze - of Ra – for Vev - so, therefore
Karnula : from Ka – away Re- hold, keep back
Pre- and Suffixes (Alpalerons): An alpal (pre- or suf-fix) modifies the root word. The only logic of placement appears to be aesthetic - if the word is more euphonious to the dwarven ear by placing the ‘fix’ after the root, thus it shall be done. Position does not modify meaning.
ka away from, from KaVerOon - travel (leaving) Kavon, to travel
pra towards, to Pratheron, to meet pripra – into
re hold, keep back Reardenim - waiting Rearden, to wait
pu open, release CoPuGolzeron - fists, literally “not-open-hand-plural”
dis negative, reversed DisPor - lost, literally “not - located”
huun remove, out of HuunGer, - dig, Hunsthomm - excavate
guun after as in guul, back. GuunNolWerfer - Gunolwerf - resettle
wehrn before as in wer, front KhorimWehrn - old age
ta again, repeat TaHuhn - forge, strike
ko do the opposite of KoThergerim - undwarven ways, discourteous
pe with, together as in peNegrinUth, surrounding (lit. “with - all - us”)
tol below, under as in tol, underground
ke above as in kerrin, high
un like, same, resembling UnSthommErons - those like stone
ber next to, beside BerKerryim - subordinate (next to high one)
yeh do, doing Yeh-Gerinn - farming YehMith - metalworking
ek More, -er Thus: unarilek, ekunaril - prettier (no ‘than’ is required in a dwarven sentence of comparison)
it Most, -est unarilit, itunaril - prettiest (no ‘the’ is required in a dwarven sentence of comparison)
yim One who does something, -er, -ist a suffix used for a person or title, such as ‘Muryim’, Miner – from ‘mur’, meaning ‘mine’ (also Hunyim, ‘dig-person’) Unmarzilzor – resembling a bleeding wound Ungrukor - Devourer
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Thank You Lady Judith!
Any comments on the phonology of the Kavogerim?
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Can't comment technically! But on the Sarvonian continent vowels sound like this:
'i' is always 'ee' as in the end of 'Philistine'
'a' is a deep 'ah' like 'carver' or the Dutch 'taal'
'e' usually as in 'bread'
'o' usually an 'awe' sound as in 'doff'
'u' an 'oo' like 'duplicitous'.
I hope you can sort that into proper phonology symbols! The 'th' is always voiced, with a puff of air, as are the 'z' and 's' sounds - and the 'r' is always rolled!
So 'Thergerim' is properly pronounced "Ttthere-gere-rrreeem" !
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The vowels are pronunced the way you wanted them
they are crisp and pure and only has one sound.
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(smooches Helvil)
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Lady Judith, what do you think among the grammatical rules of the dwarves would change after being sundered from the Tharian Dwarves??
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I would look at their environment and geography and culture to decide how the differences might have shaped the tongue.
To take a vocabulary example, KavogerimTaal would not have nearly as many words for different types of rock; the Plains Dwarves are diggers, not miners. They would doubtless have been influenced by the languages of the people around them more than the comparatively isolationist Sarvonian dwarves. I'd like to see a more slurred sound, produced both by the hotter climate, influence from outsiders, and the wearing of the veil...
Their language might be less action-oriented, forming the verbs in different ways (ThergerimTaal makes 'digging' by using 'dig' + 'doing', for example - perhaps KavogerimTaal instead has extra prefixes (Averet), which they can add at the beginning of the sentence) that show the sentence is not only in present tense but in present continuous...
Suggestion: (hey, where is your 'f/v' sound? Did you eliminate it altogether? Let's just pretend for now that your guys use 'f' instead of 'v' - and 'g' for 'k' - giving us a more slurred sound for the plains dwarves...) which gives us 'fer' for a past prefix, 'af' for future. Then you can use 'imm' for 'ing' (instead of our 'inn') and move it to the front of the sentence.
This would be the difference:
THERGERIM: Ave Kul Oe Ona Uhny… “And I will always love you…"
Khotaph Paprazinn Eenjuvigerons? “Who is stealing the cookies?
KAVOGERIM: Af Gul We Ona Uhnee "And I will always love you."
Imm Ghotaf Papraz Eenjufigerons? "Who is stealing the cookies?
Whaddya think?
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