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« Reply #15 on: 22 July 2008, 13:16:42 »

Alright, first draft done! Comments?
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« Reply #16 on: 22 July 2008, 15:13:12 »

Nsiki, Judy does the finer details of the climate, but there is already a general outline, see here ---> snow in winter in your area!

I don't think the Quallian elves, reclusive  as they are,  will be happy to have a town just outside their forest, please move it away a bit.
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« Reply #17 on: 22 July 2008, 16:37:30 »

I think you might have got confused with the periks system too – one perik is 10 degrees C…so 4 periks is a really warm summer day!
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« Reply #18 on: 22 July 2008, 17:08:00 »

I had to have a quick look, I couldn't help :)
but it was really only a five minutes read, so I cannot say much-


The first impression - nicely done and written. :)

The second a small critic though: Nsiki, you need to do more research! You can't trade with the Ylfferhim , if the entry says they live very isolated! I didn't dig deeper into history, but I'msure, there are more complications hidden!

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The Ylfferhim are a small and isolated group of elves that dwell in the  Quallian Forest. Decended from - as they believe - the Astyrhim, they are actually very closely related to the Quaelhoirhim at the nearby Zeiphyrian Forests and relations between the two tribes are close, if sometimes a little strained. The Ylfferhim prize peace above all things and play a very little part in Sarvonian history. The autonomous government remains entirely neutral on almost all issues. Only currently are these elves starting to make contact with the outside world.

So, you can't use wood from the Quallian to build your houses , nor can you trade with them. Just recently means a few years!

You say anyway, that the area is forested, so why do you have to take wood from a sacred elven forest??
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« Reply #19 on: 22 July 2008, 22:36:25 »

On the subject of the Elves-  From the Eyelian entry-
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The Quallian however holds the Eyelians' most admired trade partner. The Ylfferhim are highly liked by the Eyelians due to their extreme care to co-exist with the forest. Here they often purchase clay, marble, and emerald for decorative and constructive purposes. They are also allowed to select several dozens of Eyelian farmers to pick fruits from the many trees that grow within the Quallian.
However, if the trade only opened up recently, I can change the history. Also, the wood is taken from outside the Quallian, you know, trees growing not in the forest, but at least near it. If that is unclear in the entry, I can change it.
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But for some reason I was thinking 10 deg. F....
That's what happenes after a bajillion straight hours of developing.....
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« Reply #20 on: 23 July 2008, 06:50:26 »

Well, then your Eyelian entry is wrong and you should ask Art to change it, you need to respect what Wren has written.
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« Reply #21 on: 23 July 2008, 07:25:45 »

Actually, after a look at the elve's history, I will have to go back and change the history at any rate. Does any one have any idea at what time the Eyelians came under persecution for their beliefs in Santharia?

Also, Talia, you should note that the Eyelian entry is not "wrong".
One could compromise, and assume that the elves have had very little trade/contact with the outside world, with the exception being the Eyelians, a people much loved by elves of many tribes.
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« Reply #22 on: 23 July 2008, 11:40:15 »

I think what Talia is trying to say, and I fully agree being a tribe developer myself, is that you can't assume or change the aspects of a tribe already established and written...at least not without the original author's permission.

In other words, if the Quallian elves entry states that they are an isolated tribe with little to no relations with outsiders, then you have to abide by that. You can't change the elves' culture just because you state it in the Eyelian entry or assume the Ylfferhim would love the Eyelians. I wouldn't want anyone changing the culture of the Kaaer'dar'shin in another entry just because it suits them. Not without my permission and cooperation.

If I were you, I would leave the Ylfferhim out of the picture and focus your trading with another tribe.  ;)
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« Reply #23 on: 23 July 2008, 12:01:34 »

But the thing is, Nsikigan didn't write that part of the Eyelian entry. Someone else did four years ago... So, it's not as if he made up the connection.
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« Reply #24 on: 23 July 2008, 12:11:07 »

True, but the fact remains that there is a conflict between what the Ylfferhim entry states and the Eyelian entry states. One says they are isolated while the other says they are friendly and trade freely.

Which takes precedence?

To me, it feels like the Ylfferhim are being run over to suit the Eyelians. While Wren is not around, someone has to point the conflict out and try to find a reasonable compromise. I don't think one apprentice has the right to do this.

If anything, this issue should be discussed among everyone to find a compromise.
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« Reply #25 on: 23 July 2008, 12:33:06 »

A note from the Ylfferhim entry-
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However, much of the Ylfferhim's diet of grains and pulses must be obtained by trade. As a result this is the Ylfferhim's primary weakness, as their food supply can easily be cut off.

Not sure what is ment by pulses, but perhaps the Eyelians serve as the primary source of grain, through Kytta’erng?
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« Reply #26 on: 23 July 2008, 13:29:10 »

'Pulses' are the bean crops, which, partnered with grains (as the entry states) form a complete (if boring) protein: lentils, beans, peas and chickpeas.

In Santharia, that would be the various Onn beans, the Oya, and Pease. 



Re the discussion on trade, you are both right:  Az, the original intent of the original developer should be respected wherever possible -  but not at all costs.  For example, we love Greybark's Brownies, but they were written from a very scientific perspective and we really needed to eliminate the non-medieval stylings (genes, genetics, etc.)

Where there are two entries in direct conflict, the older should indeed take precedence, all things being equal.  Consider, though, that the better-linked and more fully cross-referenced entry should eventually prevail, if an error has been overlooked or an inconsistency arisen over time.

In a case where the inconsistency is in the entry itself, we do what we can to create a workable 'backstory' or supplementary explanation: Nsiki has provided a reasonable reconcilation, if he tones it down a bit.   

Since the Ylff must trade with someone, the Eyelians are a logical source - particularly if there is an isolated and quiet trading post where they can meet and exchange the items they need, and since the Eyelians are not likely to threaten them or hold their food supply hostage.   

Any other option would involve rewriting or replacing the work of the 'other developer' who wrote the Eyelian passage originally, I might note... :)
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« Reply #27 on: 23 July 2008, 13:38:14 »

So, essentialy, revise history, add an intermediate trading post, and we should be good?
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« Reply #28 on: 23 July 2008, 13:56:20 »

Hopefully this works?
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« Reply #29 on: 23 July 2008, 15:26:02 »

A few points -

I don't get the impression from this entry that the Yifferhim are isolated, try to keep themselves to themselves, and only really trade with the Eyelians due to necessity and the Eyelian's friendly culture.  I'd quite like to see this as it would make sure that the Yifferhim's tribe entry was still being completely stuck to.

The structure of the description seems a little strange - you have the title "Outside Kytta'erung" and then carry on to talk about inside too.  Also, double-spacing after paragraphs really helps us to read it.

You say "Kytta’erng is inhabited almost exclusively by Eyelians of the Yourth tribe, though as of late, a few brownies have been spotted in the general area." What do you mean by this?  I'm sure you have seen a few Brownies in the area of this trading post, but this makes it sound like they live there?

You say what the Eyelians trade with the elves, but not what they trade with the dwarves and brownies.

I think there was still a problem with you having the village right on the edge of the forest.  Even if you are friendly with them, building a village right on the edge of their territory is not going to be popular.
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