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« Reply #60 on: 02 January 2010, 20:48:19 »

Valan, on the contrary, I have a huge problem with finding grammar problems if they are colored in light blue or light red. Therefore, I used red instead.
Aaron, I'll edit my entry soon. I don't know about word "restricted".... you see, I think it is a perfect word, because it says that you "can't do something at any cost", "it is forbidden to do something at all". But "not recommended" in my view isn't strict word enough. Therefore, I think not to change word "restricted", for now.

EDIT DONE!!!

I ignored this correction of Aaron: "Funnels are a conical shaped vessel that has a tube, that is molten to the top of it, and this tube has a delicate truncated end." because this really don't sound logic, that Aaron uses word "funnel" in plural, but the structure of the sentence leaves the same as I wrote. As I know it is not grammatically correct. If you use somekind word in plural the you have to adjust others words accordingly. Am I right? grin
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« Reply #61 on: 03 February 2010, 00:31:51 »

I wonder is there any mentor or very experienced Santharian member who could help me with this entry?
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« Reply #62 on: 03 February 2010, 02:03:58 »

Lionhorse, as strange as it may sound, people have been trying to help you. The evidence that exists however, is that you refute their comments with cries of "then tell me how to do it differently". Is it not difficult to give help someone who refuses it?

To add to that, ignoring Stormraven's suggested correction has yet to remedy the problem with your phrase. Let's take a look at it shall we?
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Funnel is a conical shaped vessel that has a tube, that is molten to the top of it, and this tube has a delicate truncated end.
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The problem is that you're missing something in front of that funnel. Stormraven attempted to resolve this by changing the word to a plural, which removes the need for that something. Any guesses what it might be?

Taking a look at the correct way to write the sentence now:
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A funnel is a conical shaped vessel
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Another helpful hint. The possessive form of it is not it's, which would be a contraction of it is, but instead "its" (note the lack of apostrophe there).

So this phrase:
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The size of the funnel is determined by it's diameter.
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The size of the funnel is determined by its] diameter.
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This phrase has been corrected. One of my old english teachers used to drill it into his students that spelling and grammar checkers like Word only caught 60% of all errors. The errors that you seem to be running into would be included in that 60% though, so it might be in your best interest to put your draft through Word (or a similar program) when you go to make changes next.
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« Reply #63 on: 03 February 2010, 02:30:34 »

Lionhorse

Regarding the problem with categorization (thick walls, thin walls etc.)  Lets keep this simple.  Remove the categorization of thick walls and thin walls and the categorisation of measuring vessels.  Put all nine of the glass vials, containers etc under one heading glass vessels.  We also could use a glass vessel overview for consistency.   

I imagine this entry will expand greatly over time but I would like to get this basic entry up sooner than later.  If we keep it simple as new ideas come up in the future they can be easily added in the entry.   Here is an outline of what I mean:

Overview of Alchemical Tools

Overview of glass Vessels

GLASS VESSELS
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Overview of Procelain Vessels

PORCELAIN VESSELS
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Other Tools of the Alchemist
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« Reply #64 on: 03 February 2010, 02:39:04 »

By the way I like that you put links to pictures to show us what these things look like.  They are hard to describe and the links help us understand what you are attempting to describe.  Of course when the entry goes up we will not have those links.  Pictures will be a key ingredient in this entry, that is where Judith and I can lend a hand at some point down the road.
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« Reply #65 on: 03 February 2010, 02:42:30 »

Thank you, Seeker. I'll update the entry soon.
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« Reply #66 on: 03 February 2010, 03:42:04 »

ENTRY EDITED!!!

Oh, by the way, yes, Seeker, those pictures are only as an examples. grin

And, Valan, I searched through the grammar mistakes as you adviced using Word, but it showed no mistakes, because I already did that many, many times in the past, but still thank you for an advice!!!  grin thumbup
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« Reply #67 on: 18 February 2010, 20:13:27 »

Another ENTRY EDIT done!!!
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« Reply #68 on: 19 February 2010, 01:03:21 »

This looks much better Lionhorse.  thumbup Well done.  +1 Aura from me for sticking with this.

As I read through the comments and replies in this thread I notice a number of areas where frustrations came out, usially over misunderstanding in the use of English (which I understand is not your native language).  Well I am impressed that you seem to always come back with an apology for the misunderstanding and a nice  grin to demonstrate no hard feelings.  This really reflects the spirit we need here.  As always I am very impressed with the work of our members that speak English as a secondary language. 

Art, I propose we do not wait for Judy's comments if she is unable to comment right now.  We can always do an update later when she returns if she sees any glaring problems. I believe Lionhorse has addressed the comments appropriately and will blarrow this entry in a week or so, giving time for any last comments.

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« Reply #69 on: 19 February 2010, 01:06:06 »

I'll back Seeker up here.

Lionhorse +1 thumbup from me for putting up with the sheer amount of madness. Good job!
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« Reply #70 on: 19 February 2010, 05:37:23 »

I had a look here as well, and have to say that I'm also pretty happy with the reorganisation that tool place here with this entry, Lionhorse! It makes much more sense now the way it is done now and one can find things much easier - plus the descriptions are pretty well done.

Sure, you still suffer a bit under the disease of swallowing articles (are you that hungry when writing? lol), and some expressions are definitely not overly English, and I guess there are also a bunch of commas one could simply remove and the text would flow much better. But I guess these are things I can handle when I go through the entry upon integrating it, because it is well researched I think. Even the gnomish names sound quite gnomish - did you come up with them yourself or were they posted somewhere already?

Anyway, this looks pretty good from my point of view as well - also we have a few drawings where we have vials, flasks, meabuls etc., so we might crop some of these pictures in order to illustrate the entry a bit. You have nice schematic pictures included here, which is very much appreciated, so that it is perfectly clear what you're describing, but they're not quite site standard as such ;) Though they can serve artists for reference in later pics, so that we might include something that is described here.

All in all: Really nice job, I'm also for integrating it next update, and I also give you an aura +1 for really trying to get this right!  thumbup
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« Reply #71 on: 19 February 2010, 05:40:22 »

The entry makes a lot more sense to me now as well Lionhorse!

Well done (+Aura from me!)
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« Reply #72 on: 19 February 2010, 06:35:17 »

Awww.... thanks guys!!! grin thumbup

I really tried to take in account all the critic to improve my entry. Thanks to Valan. Without him I couldn't progress and go further. grin

About hungry thing.... well, Artimidor, yes, you are right. I'm usually hungry when making an entry!!!  grin  I have no idea why. grin

About those gnomish namings.... most of them I thought out by myself, reading throughout the latest gnomish vocabulary.

Well... anyway, I would like to thank you all for being so patient with me and that you gave me some new ideas and comments about my entry.  grin thumbup

By the way, soon I'll post another entry dedicated to an alchemy. And in my next entry I'll describe the apparatus that are used in alchemical workshops/workrooms.
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« Reply #73 on: 23 February 2010, 05:40:45 »

Art/Lionhorse

I will certainly offer the details in the Elemene Tabulata picture if you find them adequate.  I would recommend a little circle picture be used which links to the larger picture.

Meabul- the container with the yellow liquid
table flask- container with green liquid
vials
Alcohol lamp-crossed out per Lionhorse's explanation below
vial stand

Of course I drew these before the entry, so if they are not a match that's OK.  Perhaps there are better examples already on the site somewhere.
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« Reply #74 on: 23 February 2010, 09:06:50 »

No, no... that drawing is great and suitable enough, I think. I can tell you more that there is also a fastening rod, but only with tripod base not a board base, there is also a metallic ring along with its screw. About alcohol lamp I'm not sure, because it doesn't look like it should look. Probably I forgot to mention about that in my entry. The alcohol lamp is a jar made out of a fire resistant glass. The lamp is 7 nailsbreath in diameter and 4 nailsbreath high. The top opened end of the jar has a narrow neck, that is approximately 1 1/2 nailsbreath in diameter and 1 nailsbreath high, and it is closed by a small metallic lid that has a hole in its center, through which is coming out a thick wick. The wick should be in contact with an alcohol, that is inside the jar. In order to make the wick burn, you should wait approximately one day to let the wick absorb the alcohol, that is inside the jar, and when you'll try to light the wick up, it will produce a flame, because of absorbed alcohol, that ignites once being in a contact with a fire. The alcohol lamp has a small addition that is made out of a glass, but can also be made from a metal. This addition looks like a simple glass that should be placed over the lamp in bottom-up position after the work is done, in order to make the fire stop burning. There are no other flame extinguishing methods, because this is considered to be the most safest way how to extinguish the flames of the alcohol lamp.

Round bottomed flask, vials, vial stand and table flask are perfect!!! grin thumbup

I EDITED my entry about the alcohol lamp!!!
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