Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #15 on: 19 February 2009, 06:47:14 »

I could, if i would have ben able to view these comments

Tides; I plan to make the Moon a creation of Baveras in the mythological part of the entry, as opposing the Sun made by Foiros. There is a good story there, trust me.

Other Effects; Well, most certainly! The moon will be the reason for the changes in temperature we know as "seasons", and i'm pretty sure i will come up with a whole phantasmagorium of other things to link to it.


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #16 on: 19 February 2009, 17:49:22 »

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I plan to make the Moon a creation of Baveras in the mythological part of the entry, as opposing the Sun made by Foiros. There is a good story there, trust me.

Oh, what a great idea, could be mine!

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The moon will be the reason for the changes in temperature we know as "seasons", and I'm pretty sure i will come up with a whole phantasmagorium of other things to link to it.

Erm, no, you need a good argument to convince me here! The seasons are here because the sun moves away from the disk, that is the most logical approach for you can experience that (If you move away from the fire it gets colder). I don't recall though, in hoe many entry this is pinned down already.

Your Vik could of course have another belief, as they don't see much of the sun, right?

Well, I would be interested in the movement of the moon first, not what the people believe, for that can be manyfold.

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The Sun is not only responsible for illuminating nearly all parts of the world, but also provides all continents with warmth and determines the changes of seasons due to its varying distance to the world's rim. Naturally the Caelereth north is the coldest part of the world, because it is the farthest away from the rays of the Sun, while the south is the hottest.

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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #17 on: 21 February 2009, 21:30:51 »

Wel i an give you a little glimpse of my idea; The moon is rather like an anti-sun.

You see, when Foiros made the Sun, we, according to our legends, made a mistake in how much heat it should bring, and the disk scorched and life perished under the heat. His first solution was to place it further away from the disk, which resulted in more or less the situation we hae now.

But, that didn't do the trick yet!

So, as her seas dried out and her children were slowly deprived of a home, Baveras was the first of the Twelve to notice the sun was still to hot. yada yada yada lots of story here yada yada. And she made the Moon. Which radiates cold on it's silver half (and only there, for wise Baveras was able to determine exectly how much cold was needed to make the world inhabitable for all of the Twelve's children). Now, as the silver half of the moon is visible completely during mid-winter, and absent completely during mid-summer in my rotation scedule, it seems she has been succesful. During summer, the moon's cold side is hidden from Caelereth, giving the Disk the warmth it needs from Injera, while during winter it is in full view, counteracting the heat with cold, untill the stored heat of summer is depleted and a health amount of cold has permeated the disk, after which it rotates again to let the sun break down the sold supply and heat things up.

So, all in all, the combination of sun 'wobble' and moon rotation gives us seasons.

Or, that would be what the Caelerethians make of it.


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #18 on: 22 February 2009, 07:05:29 »

NURSE!.....He's out of bed again.


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #19 on: 24 March 2009, 00:30:22 »

I am very interested in this topic as it has a major effect on the look and feel of pictures I may draw. The moon effects so much. I don’t intend to dictate anything but I would like to offer up some thought provoking questions:

1. Are we resolved that there should only be one moon? Even in our own universe not many planets have only a single moon.
2. How big is the moon from the Santharian perspective (for example in comparison to the earth moon)? Does the moon stay the same size from the Santharian perspective all year around. Perhaps it is on an elliptical orbit.
3. What color is the moon? I see half of it is Silver. Does it stay the same color all year around? Can the moon be an unusual color like red or blue?
4. How bright (Luminous) is the moon/moons? This will effect night vision and light perspective in depictions of night.
5. Is the moon/moons visible in the daytime sky?

We should remember this is a fantasy world. Not everything has to make sense under Earth Astronomy laws. Or at least the people of Santharia do not need to understand them using Earth Astronomy laws.


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #20 on: 24 March 2009, 01:58:07 »

@Seeker: Currently all is open again, don't know, which "facts" are still considered as "facts". But Mira wants to take a go at the moon. And yes, all your questions were once considered.

@Mira: You have some explanations for Santharia, and not even convincing ones (sorry, I will explain it later), but what about Aeruillin and the north?

You know, I'm the one who would needs to see the idea behind the whole thing first, so could you not be a bit more precise about rotation (around his axis) and path velocity? (How long does he take to complete one circle?)


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« Reply #21 on: 24 March 2009, 04:20:35 »

Is this regarded to be the Gospel truth? And how do you factor in the differant climate zones, e.g., always cold up in the far north, always warm in the south? Is the disc tilted? huh


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #22 on: 25 March 2009, 07:14:27 »

There will be just one moon.

Assuming we want it to be more than a luminous pretty thing in the sky, i will try to tie it in with the already existing Injeran mythology and cosmology, to act as a counterpart (much like we know it to be in earthen mythology). Tlaia, you opinions and ideas are more than welcome to steer me in the right direction, right now i'm just going freeform here.

I will not be having the time to write an elaborate piece on this for a while, as i have a load of school stuff to do and little free time to do it in, so dont expect much in thyat department. Of course, i will try to answer specific questions.


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #23 on: 25 March 2009, 16:33:55 »

Well, to be able to steer you in the one or other direction, I need to know your basic ideas, how it moves - not necessarily from the developers point, but what the people (in Santharia e.g. ) see.

But, no need to hurry, I have to do other stuff first anyway


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #24 on: 25 March 2009, 17:38:21 »

I'm interested in this as well..... being so far north, thus closer to the moon, I was thinking that the Remusians would revere the moon more so than the sun... so... rolleyes


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #25 on: 25 March 2009, 18:10:33 »

Out of fear? They do need the warmth of the sun nevertheless, so, what if the sun is jealous and abandons those who do not revere her as she wants to? Could be a northern answer to the year of darkness.


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« Reply #26 on: 26 March 2009, 00:05:50 »

Not so much out of fear... They take a strong pride in the fact that they can survive in that environment. Probably more than one Remusian (if not from every Ice Tribe) who would secretly like Ice to cover the entire world and thin the herd, as it were rolleyes


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« Reply #27 on: 27 March 2009, 06:09:43 »

I have a question here! Has science really advanced to the point in Caelereth that their would be a universal concept on what the moon is, or would each people, and area have their own beliefs about the moon and its properties? As far as I know we are trying to create a medieval-like world here, and solidly scientific based ideas on what the sun and moon are, did not exist until well into the scientific revolution. Therefore; to confine moon ideas to a single entry might be too limiting. In all reasonableness each tribe or race could come with its own sub-entry on what the moon is in their own mythology. The most isolated of these groups could have some very fun and appealing ideas indeed!

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P.S. The same could be said about the sun.


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #28 on: 27 March 2009, 06:36:28 »

Mifer, you are right, there could be lot of different myths about the sun, the moon etc. However, they should not contradict each other in basic things like if the moon is seen on the other side of the disk or on the same side like the sun.

We had a 'model' of our cosmology 'facts' already I created several years ago, which laid out the movement of the sun (formed after the initially invented elven myth) and moon seen from the developer's point of view. From there very many different myths and explanations could be developed. (Mira just starts with ONE possibility.)

However, as my approach of "developer's view first" and then "How appears it to the people" and "How interpret the people what they see" is not favoured and as some people found it necessary that my 'model '(I thought is "canon" at least in the basic) should be put up for voting after so many years, just because I had not yet found the time to do an decent entry , I just skipped it.

So we know currently not much more, than what you can find in the Santharian elven myths and the sun entry. I'm not even sure, if the moon is now really on the other side of the disk, but as this was Art's idea, it might be the case.


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Re: Moon oh moon, thou silver sphere..

« Reply #29 on: 27 March 2009, 06:43:08 »

Well, I would agree that we need a "hard truth" to the moon, and from there, each tribe/race can have their own mythology and creation theories


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