Eggs of the Earth

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Re: Eggs of the Earth

« Reply #30 on: 07 May 2009, 20:26:33 »

Does anybody have a problem with me crediting Santhros the Wise with creating the Xythria Royal Preserve? I can't find an entry on him in the People section, but he appears from the Santharian History to be interested in public works. He looks like just the person to perceive the long-term benefits of a public preserve or park. He was also popular enough to get away with starting something completely new and unprecedented.


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« Reply #31 on: 08 May 2009, 00:20:48 »

The thing with Santhros the Wise is that, well, he's used for pretty much everything which seems good and fine. But there are alternatives. If you look at this thread you'll see a rough overview over Santharian history, which is to 90% not on the site yet. However, it will help us here to find a decent guy.

Look at the so-called "Golden Age of Kings" (172-542), there you have a e.g. King II (Cultural King), and during these times everything flourishes. With King I actually the title "Santhran" is introduced, based on Santhros, so his spirit comes to life here again. The first King in these lines is definiely an Erpheronian, so you could take this one for the purpose, and as I can pull an Erpheronian name out of my nomenclature program, I'd suggest to go for... Erachrin

Now how's that?


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« Reply #32 on: 08 May 2009, 00:59:44 »

Sounds good. I'll look at the thread and edit it in.

EDIT: Looks good. So we'll call King II Erachrin.


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« Reply #33 on: 09 May 2009, 20:25:42 »

There you go. Thanks for the tip. Anything else I could do to make this better?


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Re: Eggs of the Earth

« Reply #34 on: 14 May 2009, 22:16:03 »

Looks pretty good and soon ready for integration, Sivartius - if you can deal with a few things I mention below, so here they are:

- Our world is still called "Caelereth", not "Celeroth"...

- You now mention King Erachrin, but you should at least add to that that he's known as one of the great cultural kings of Santharia, otherwise it's just a name. Always ty to put in some information for the reader so that they get a rough idea about people, places etc., especially if you just mention something once.

Same thing further down when you mention the Kuglim "Wuk'oriot" - would be good to explain that term.

- To History you could add that there are stories about such archmages of yore that probably refer to the time of the War of the Chosen, where the Chosen, the most powerful of mages lived, that some of thes Chosen lived in such crystals. As later on magic was pretty much banned. One such story could be that an Earth-Chosen was buried deep down below the surface somewhere due to earthquakes caused in a fight among Chosen ones, that the magical powers of that stone keep him still alive and that he might plan to return to regain power once he is awakened from his slumber.

- The Myth/Lore part about people who believe in "a giant living thing" if very vague as who that might be. Even if you have no idea where to place these people, I'd suggest to simple position them at least a bit by saying that it is said that a strange cult of Aeruillin for example is said to believe that. Thus thsi belief is somewhere removed from central Santharia, looks somewhat exotic, yet isn't described in any detail. Yet good enough to make a reference that seems somewhat embedded.

- Try to place that J'hoab guy somewhere! Perhaps use a specific Santharian name (see the sticky nomenclature thread in the People Forum!).

- I read the following in the Production section:

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Many comparative theologians believe that the "bribe stones" mentioned in the Aseyan Religion are in fact geodes, but that is not definitively known. See Myth/Lore.

Any then I don't see the Aseyan religion mentioned there, and neither the term "bribe stones". Also can't find a reference in teh Aseyan Religion entry. So... Did you forget that or where is it?


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Re: Eggs of the Earth

« Reply #35 on: 16 May 2009, 01:32:07 »

Hi Sivartius, as the cosmology mod I have to take your myth section apart, but don‘t worry, not all things I question have to go. If Art is ok with some changes to myth and cosmology, I won‘t object. But then some ideas of you have to be integrated elsewhere as well, to not get lost. As it is quite some time, that I read all this stuff, I might have forgotten this or that part, please give me then a link to where you found it. Thanks

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Geodes have about as many explanations as peoples who have encountered them.

Some elves say that when the world was split into twelve parts, there were some fragments which did not fit anywhere, and so folded in on themselves forming geodes.

Where did you read, that the world split in twelve parts? It sounds so new for me. How big where these geodes? For the world is quite huge, and you compare the „12“ parts with small stones, that is a bit off I think. Generally the idea is not bad to have them created in a very early process.

The geodes were scattered throughout all the worlds. It is said that when Ava wakes, and all that now exists is dissolved, these piece of the worlds that are separate from all worlds will be the start of the next dream.

Again, where did you read that? Is that your own invention? If so, you need to make it more popular, announce it in the cosmology forum, that you would like to have that change. For it is not a minor thing you propose here. I checked the armageddon entry, and found nothing. In this case e.g., it would be necessary to add this to this entry.

Some elven magicians say that as these are the effects of the greatest division of all, that they should be the greatest of all items in the practice of Ecua magic. Unfortunately, (or more likely fortunately,) none have yet managed to access their Ecua potential, which is said to exist outside of all worlds.

Ask a magical inclined person here, what he thinks, I have no idea. (Mina, Fox, others)

The Kuglimz people of Northern Sarvonia see the whole world as a geode holding the essence of the friend of Sur'tyan which Lier'tyan hid in the depths of the world, and which give this world life. His spirit or essence was drawn to the crystals, which supposedly still glowed with a light of their own from the time when the earth had been another Wuk'oriot like the stars before being snuffed by the unnamed darkness. From the crystals of the geode that was the world, his essence was conducted and spread out into the skin or surface of the world. There it gave life to all that is in the world. However, some of the unnamed darkness was left inside as well, and it was brought to the surface too. Where the two essences met, there were created the orcs, and all other evil things. Therefore, the Kuglimz people will not mine too deeply, for fear of cracking the skin of the world, dissipating the spirit of the Rouk'oirot, and freeing the darkness that they believe is still trapped there.

Interesting, but I‘m unsure if you not changed too much of the original belief as it is on the site. You might add, but you should not alter. You need to mentioned the name Minarot, the name for the world. The original is not too easy to understand either, but as I have understood it,

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Eventually he came to an extinguished Wuk’oriot, and there was slain by the darkness. Sur’tyan his friend took charge of the forces, and Lier’tyan took the essence of Minarot and hid it deep within the cold world. His essence began a chain reaction that brought about light and life to the world.

there would be more dead Wuk’oriot of world size outside. So, is each then a geode, or just the one which held Minarot? Do we have a lot of dark stars (dead Wuk’oriot) out there? Could be. .....

Reading your stuff now the fifth time, I think it is not as bad as I thought first. But if you want to replace this last sentence of the original, you need to formulate and integrate your ideas a bit better, for the Kuglimz creation myths would have to be replaced as well.
"dissipating the spirit of the Rouk'oirot" - there is no spirit left, it was only the dead world and Minarot

Those who view this world as some sort of giant living thing like a great tree, tend to see geodes as seeds of new worlds.

Who does this? Please do not invent new tribes inclusive myths in a simple entry about some fine stones just to have this myth!

They believe that in times of terrible danger, the world tree creates seeds of itself and spreads them throughout the cosmos, so that they can form new worlds for life to grow on. But some are stuck in the world. These it is believed will only grow when the world ends. Because of this, many of these religions regard it as a great crime to break open a geode. They claim you are slaying an unborn world.

„many of these religions“... Please do only refer to those we actually have, as there are enough!

J'hoab an irreverent, satirical and slightly drunken, though very popular, if not with those in authority, poet, maintained that they were Ava's snores, but he was coincidentally struck by lightning the next day. Though it was ruled to be a completely coincidental occurrence, none have since espoused the same position.

Funny, but would this find its way in a serious compendium entry? And why should Ava‘s snores manifest tis way? Did he say this more often? For if he did this just a few times, it would not worth mentioning.

The orcish people, who see the whole world as the carcasses of those Gods who rebelled against their God, the "First Warrior", (except for them, who came from their God's arm which he lost in battle,) see geodes as the products of the voided bowls of his adversaries. Thus geodes are not objects of great beauty, but of derision and disgust. They see them as they see the rest of the world, a source for them to get whatever they want from, and something to do what they want and have fun with. They think the other races fondness for geodes for their own sake is just another proof of how low and beneath orcs the other races are.

Ask our orc experts, if that is ok. And you mean bowels, right?


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Re: Eggs of the Earth

« Reply #36 on: 16 May 2009, 06:46:13 »

Thanks for helping. I've taken out some of the stuff, and will try to explain the rest. If it still doesn't make sense or doesn't fit, I'll take it out also. I don't know how to make a link, but I can tell you where I found things.

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Where did you read, that the world split in twelve parts?

I found it under Mythology: Caelereth, World of, in the paragraph titled Cosmological History. The geodes were my addition, I figured it made sense that tearing the fabric of reality that way would create splinters.

The next parts you disapproved of I took out. Your problems with them made sense, and I don't want to make any kind of fundamental changes to the nature of the Santharian Dream.

For the Kuglimz Men, I reread their entry, and you were right, there is no mention of the orcs, etc being created by the unnamed darkness. For the earth being a geode, I just figured it was an extra detail in the creation myth. It says that Minarot was buried in the center of what became the earth, but doesn't describe it.

You are right about the dissipation part, and I have now deleted it.

For the part about the poet, my idea was that he said it once, while he was drunk in a bar. Because he was drunk it didn't make all that much sense, but it was remembered because he was killed by a freak accident the very next morning, which tends to make people superstitious, especially if the person had been irreverent. Official denial would actually strengthen that, because that is how rumor works.

For the orcish beliefs, I don't know because none of the orcish specialists have commented on it.


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« Reply #37 on: 02 June 2009, 23:05:22 »

Hi, sorry I've been gone for a while, I've been learning to play my dulcimer for the Dulcimer article. Anyway, I believe I have people's comments integrated. Is it ready to be put up? It seems that way to me, but I'll wait for more experienced people to say so before I change the icon. If there's anything I missed please let me know. Thanks.


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« Reply #38 on: 03 June 2009, 21:59:06 »

Ok, I checked the things especially Takór mentioned, and I see you indeed took out a few things and made some changes, so basically this is all pretty much ok. The only issue that's still a bit much for an assumption is the claim of "some elves" that the world split into 12 parts. I would add a further level of relativism still there, especially as "some" is very unspecified and could also mean quite a lot. So if you write something like "ancient Styrásh texts found on an excavation site somewhere in the Aeruillin desert", then the claim is still there, it's just not as absolute as you tried to put it in the initial version. Other than that's I'd say we could put the entry up next update - well done! thumbup


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Re: Eggs of the Earth

« Reply #39 on: 04 June 2009, 07:12:30 »

Thanks. Changes made. Is this Blarrowable? By the way, what is "Blarrowable"?


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Re: Eggs of the Earth

« Reply #40 on: 04 June 2009, 07:47:50 »

Blarrowable means blue arrow-able. The blue arrow shows up when the message icon is set to " Dev Status 4- Ready for upload" . Art uses that to signify the entry is ready for the next site update. It means your done thumbup