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« Reply #30 on: 30 July 2009, 13:29:46 »



And here I was trying to be subtle...guess you know me too well, Bard.  :P
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« Reply #31 on: 04 August 2009, 04:18:52 »

Hahaha, thanks Alysse, thanks bard. The thought of a person in there did actually cross my mind at one stage in development of this illustration... I guess I shied away from it though. Since it caught your attention though, I'll give it a shot. I'll brainstorm it a bit and see what I can summon up to give it a more domesticated feel.

Given I actually have internet access today I thought I'd post a version of how things are looking just now. I attempted addressing all the issues a little... not sure whether the touch-ups I have done so far cover them sufficiently tho:

[] The Snow's not got a more solid look to it, and a texture (thanks for the site Arti ^^)
[] I pushed the snow in a little more between the legs, hoping to define them a little more
[] Though not yet fully happy with them, I set in some tread marks which indicate previous movement of the animal.

Once again, thanks all for helping me on the path to completing this illustration, much much appreciated!
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« Reply #32 on: 04 August 2009, 04:54:21 »

I think the snow turned out great - doesn't look too photographed, so the combination with the drawing works quite well. :) The footsteps at the end are still a bit unbelievable, though. If you look at the animal, then it's practically half a ped in the snow (at least it looks that way), so if that's the case the whole area behind the oxen would need to be a track. Or, as I suggested previously, you could move the oxen up a bit, show the its underbelly with some hairs hanging down and draw a bit of the legs, then it fits together much better. The blurry transition between snow and beast BTW still doesn't work for me.

The "domesticated feel" is definitely not easy to achieve, especially as this is your first drawing, so maybe better don't do too dramatic changes, as the beast itself looks good enough to stand on its own.
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« Reply #33 on: 16 August 2009, 02:02:23 »

Eureka!

*Out of the shadows jumps a dark and tired looking Jonael*

I've addressed all of the mentioned issues ina version which I think looks great now.. the only issue is I can't find my bloody usb-stick, so i can't transfer the image onto the castle's computer! *Blows a Raspberry*

I'll update this post as soon as I get it here though. Basically I fixed the track behind the mount to one which is more appropriate for its heavy and low build. You'll see it looks more like the animal's fleece swept the snow behind it. Similarly I've addressed the issue of snow-to-creature transfer by carving out some snow from underneath the ox. With a bit more shadow and flattened snow the ox doesn't loose it's heavy and stable stance but also doesn't seem to 'fade' into the snow as Artimidor disliked.

Anyhow, I'll stop the rambling without an actual image for now ^^
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« Reply #34 on: 16 August 2009, 04:17:32 »

Well in the meantime perhaps you or someone (not me) can write an entry for this magnifenct beast.  I would love to see it get posted. clap2
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« Reply #35 on: 17 August 2009, 01:39:47 »

Well in the meantime perhaps you or someone (not me) can write an entry for this magnifenct beast.  I would love to see it get posted. clap2

Considering the many loose ends I'm still involved in I would ask someone else to establish an entry around this creature.. I'm on a mission to tie knots in all my loose bits of string before I start on anything else.

On another note, finally managed to upload the image grin Hope it's liked
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« Reply #36 on: 17 August 2009, 02:12:10 »

Yep, I guess the picture turned out very cool now! clap I guess all the mentioned points have been addressed now in this version - the snow track, the transition between snow and beast etc. It looks not so dug into the snow, the snow is fine all around, and beast and saddle have been well done so far anyway. It's pretty much perfect, and especially for a first attempt of trying to do a serious digital painting this is top notch!  thumbup

Aura +1 for you, Jonael, even tough you got a bunch already on the way - but this has been a longer project, and you tried your best to improve the picture whereever you could, and now you've reached your goal, so you can really be proud of that!  grin

Pity is only that you drew a picture to an entry that doesn't even exist yet... So we'd need someone to get this finally on site!
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« Reply #37 on: 17 August 2009, 03:42:18 »

Art may I suggest we could list the Oxen Pack Mount in the cattle overview (with the little circle pic) at least until someone provides a full blown entry?  Just a suggestion.
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« Reply #38 on: 17 August 2009, 14:57:02 »

Yeah, we can do that, though we'd need a few sentences there as well, which usually is taken from the Overview part. Do we have at least a few details on the ox, or is someone out there who can provide hints and clues what to put there (now I'm sounding like the guy who's searching for criminals in a TV programme lol)?
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« Reply #39 on: 17 August 2009, 16:28:03 »

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This is a heavy, bulky pack-mount which will be hearded by some tribe, with their main purpose being transport of goods, not so much riding considering their slow movement speed, and possibly for their muscular meat. While they may be found herding out in the wild, most of them are reared by the folk. Given their long life times, exceltent strength, and calm nature the folk have grown quite close to them, decorating them with colours and what little jewlery this self-sustained farming tribe may have.

That was what Jonael had in his initial post in this thread. Are we able to somehow adapt that for the cattle overview page? We'd have to decide which of the Icetribes (I'm guessing it'll be them) would be most likely to use such beasts.

Edit: Actually ... I'm going to try my hand at writing an entry that does this picture justice, assuming no one has any objections to me doing that.
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« Reply #40 on: 17 August 2009, 19:06:57 »

Cheers Deklitch grin

Of course I have no objections at all, and the gesture's much appreciated. If you need any oppinions or have questions dun hesitate to just send me a carrier pidgeon ^^

Thanks again to everyone for your outstanding and persistant support on this illustration. I can't describe how happy this has made me. I set out at the very beginning treading into unknown territory and strange lands, but with your support I managed to learn a lot about this digital painting and how to perfect it. I can't promise it, but I will definitly give more illustrations a shot.. after all practice makes perfect.

*After having placed the last paint stroke on his illustration of the Ox, Jonael swivels on his rotating stool (a concept based on brownie beads shocked) and focuses his attention on the contents of his second work desk. On it are an assortment of fresh baked cookies and little pieces of parchment onto which he addresses each of his fellow Compendium friends who have helped him throught the labour on this painting. Attaching the still oven-fresh cookies to the notes he then sends them off to each of the individual's chambers*

.. which leads me to ask: What system of communication do we have in place to communicate between everyone's individual studios in the Compendium? I was about to write owls, but then that might not be it at all..
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« Reply #41 on: 17 August 2009, 23:11:24 »

Owls? Well, I guess we have carrier pigeons - that should do the job :)
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« Reply #42 on: 18 August 2009, 00:40:21 »

I'm not having pigeons swooping through my nice clean halls!   

That's what the pages are for - they sit on little stools in the workroom just off the kitchens when they are not otherwise running around doing errands and carrying messages, in their clean (at least at the start of the day) green Compendium tunics... and there are bells and speaking tubes for the more senior studies so that they can summon a messenger page directly.  The boys get their food and bed in a common dormitory, pick up manners and information on the run, have a small stipend stored away for them when they leave, and it keeps them off the streets, so many a poor family is quite happy to send their youngest in to serve for a few years.

Of course, pigeons are very helpful outside the main building - except we've given up sending them to the greenhouses, as so few ever seem to make it back......
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« Reply #43 on: 18 August 2009, 01:11:49 »

What, those were carrying messages?

I thought they were the plant food i ordered....
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« Reply #44 on: 18 August 2009, 04:27:29 »

A nice picture! :)

I wonder, how many hours you put in it?

I like especially the saddle/blanket thing.

And how did you do this snow?
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