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« on: 21 July 2009, 03:18:06 »

Further Links:
- The War of the Chosen (fact finding thread)
- The War of the Chosen (entry)
- Timeline of the Early Myths



THE WAR OF THE CHOSEN

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ALTETH

Avatar of: Etherus

Territory: Probably Northeast Sarvonia

Demise: His dark tormented soul is said to have been captured in the Forsaken Blade, which he himelf has supposedly forged.

Details: The Forsaken Blade, a black enchanted sword, is said to once have been made by the Dark Chosen Alteth, whose tormented soul is now captured in it. True or not, the blade  has been an heirloom to all the lords of Remusiat after the Battle of Wind and has become the Remusian tribe's symbol of power. The sword was probably made to assist Alteth during the Battle of Winds. After the Battle of Wind the sword fell to Lord Surod of Remusiat. Since then it has been an heirloom to all the lords of Remusiat and has become the Remusian tribe's symbol of power.

Succeeding Avatar: Unknown

ECKRA THE CRUEL

Avatar of: Queprur.

Territory: He ruled a vast area in Northern Sarvonia, ranging from the peninsula Dinal (now known as the Forbidden Zone), to what is now the Eight Winds Bay.

Demise: Died in the Battle of Winds.

Details: His stronghold was an immense keep, which became known as Tak'Dinal (Fear of Dinal). It was made almost entirely from cairns of black stone and was perched on the shores of Ebony Lake, its toxicness fouling the crystal waters into a dark murk. His army was referred to as the "Dinali".

The whole area was cloaked in an impenetrable gloom, giving it a sense of dark dread. In the East of his domain were the Mountains of Despair. The mountains were of obsidian and volcanic rock, they were riddled with mines. Massive forges lay all about exterior of the mines, smelting the iron found. It is whispered that the iron Eckra’s smithies forged was a crimson black, made with spells from acolytes and the mixing of dried blood. The only other sign of civilization in his bleak land was a port that was filled with large slave ships. This town was given exclusively over to his orcish warriors. It's filth and squalor was mentioned by the very few that survived seeing the sight.

The archmage earned his name from those that heard about him and feared his cruelty. Eckra sent slave ships coursing the sea between the peninsula and the Celeste Mountains. The sorrow of the races and the pain of families forever torn apart later caused this sea to be re-named The Sea Of Tears. Human and elf alike were captured and made to work, mining materials for his orcish armies and arcane practices in the aptly named Mountains of Despair. Wargs were made to be mounts for orcish calvary and also used throughout the Plains of Rilla to hunt and kill any intruders. It is rumored that the archmage also summoned netherbeasts and other foul creatures to do his bidding as well.

Eckra's frequent battles with nearby archmages made his borders barren and the soil drenched with blood. Whole towns and armies were wiped out within a day's time as his army and magic contested for the rights of dominion over the land. Many a battle was fought against several other archmages. Eckra's demise, along with three other powerful archmages is thought to have occurred during the great Battle of Winds.

See Battle of Winds.

Tak'Dinal. Tak'Dinal, that ancient stronghold of horror, though in ruins, still exists today. There was a brief moment when some life was brought back into Eckra's old domain. Elves and pendrowe from the Shaded Forest migrated to the Folkmore Trees and tried to revive the decimated forest, others feared for them and warned of possible danger. The warning was proven true in time, as they were either killed or driven out of the lands in 1649 b.S., during The Year of Darkness, or as it is called in Northern Sarvonia, the Burning Night. The land now is said to be cursed, and few will enter, for fear of what might survive from Eckra's days, and what those who tried to follow his footsteps might have awakened. Many a hero and scholar who have tried to venture in this forsaken land have never been heard from again. The few that have returned seem to be changed beyond recognition, and carry a stamp of terrible pain and dark intent. Even though Eckra's death happened centuries ago, his name is still used to frighten children or mentioned in ribald stories around campfires, when a persons tongue is plied by drink.

The ruins sit near the shores of the Ebony Lake, at the foothills of the Mountains of Despair. The lands around Tak'dinal are known as the Forbidden Zone, for long ago it is said that Eckra cast a spell which forbade any vegetation to grow or any animal to inhabit the area. These areas are all located upon the peninsula of Kr'uul. It is further seperated from the rest of  Northern Sarvonia due to the mighty river known as the Waters of Divison.

Many Kuglimz, some Meladrhim, even a few Kurakim have ventured down into the depths of Tak'dinal. It is surmised that they have met their end either by magical traps, fearsome creatures, or at the hands of orcs or dinali rumoured to survive in the lower regions. Some fear that those souls that would be heroes are instead transformed much as Aváth'caó and join the darkness of the deeps waiting for another as powerful as Gouran to come lead them.

The united armies of Northern Sarvonia spent years cleaning up after his dark magics, which included leveling Tak'Dinal. It once again came into prominence as the source that twisted Aváth'caó into Gouran.

Tome of Time. According to the legend, the Edict of the Ageless was wrought within the fortress of Tak’dinal, a cousin to the infamous Midnight Blade, by Eckra the Cruel himself. Preceding his demise in the catastrophic Battle of the Winds, it is said that Eckra poured his extensive knowledge into the manuscript to ensure the continuation of his practices. However, the wise archmagus, realizing that his enemies were numerous, transcribed his teachings into a nearly undecipherable language and imbued the book with some of his power, enabling it to protect itself. Before gathering his orcish hordes and marching from the peninsula, the Chosen is believed to have locked his precious tome within a stone sage to ensure its safety. There, nestled within the crumbling walls of the fortress, the artifact is rumoured to have rested until its discovery in 1527.

It is now supposedly in the possession of the elusive magical order known as the Children of the Mind. The mystical tome was stolen from Ximaxian magi by the renegade wizard Raeis Boldsnout, who also founded the order.

Or'injèrá Sword. The Or'injèrá Teaching Sword (Styrásh lit. "light guide") was rumoured but never confirmed that it was used by the commander of the armies in the Battle of the Winds of Eckra the Cruel. This blade was created with the purpose of teaching its user on the subject of swordplay. Among humans, it is known as "the Tutor". The blade defies all sorts of magic. The sword's location cannot be detected with magic, and despite the most powerful wizard's attempt, it's history cannot be learned by magical means. Dygan Heartswind. Dygan carried the blade until his disappearence. The blade has not been seen since.

Succeeding Avatar. Aváth'caó (1900 b.S.-1779 b.S., "Beautiful Child") was the most promising Injerín elf of her generation. In an effort to heal the blighted lands around Tak'dinal she traveled into the depths of its ruins. When she was seen again she had become transformed into Gouran ("Devourer") and would become the bane of the North, causing a Year of Darkness, pain, and sorrow. As her incarnation as Gouran, Aváth'caó was known from 1650 till 1648 b.S., which in the elven recordings is not accounted to her regular life-time.

Died in an ill-fated battle at the Mithril Bridge. No more than one in ten men survived that battle, and in the last moments of it, Quál’valannía was forced to kill his own daughter. Upon Gouran’s death the year of darkness lifted to a bloody dawn.

Succeeding Avatar II. Raeis Boldsnout, who stole the Tome of Time he was meant to research in 1527 a.S.

MA'ASHEROM THE RED

Avatar of: Foiros

Territory: Tandala Highlands

Demise: Died in a revolution against him started by his numerous subjects, being the last surviving Chosen.

Details: Ma'asherom is said to have been one of the last remaining magicians surviving the War of the Chosen. He used to keep orcish slaves which the humans distracted them from their own misery. Was located at the Colthoi temple in the former metropolis of El'Darthar, at the location of today's Dragon's Maw at the center of the Tandala Highlands.

- Ma'asherom's sorceress Cyrella is killed in the attack of Eu'reoll
Ma'asherom was convinced that to gain control of Eu'reoll is to have total and complete dominion over the world. In his all-consuming arrogance and believing that the elven race, known for their peaceful nature, would submit voluntarily to his will, he sent ten of his most trusted followers under the command of the sorceress Cyrella to wrest possession of Eu'reoll.

After killing a stag, Cyrella was transformed into a tree by the High Avá'ránn: Cyrella opened her mouth to speak and shrieked instead. She howled as her skin hardened and turned brown and rough to the touch. She screamed as her hands were pulled up above her head and the fingers stretched and lengthened like long stiff ropes. She sobbed as her legs merged together and her toes sank beneath the soil to take root. Helpless, she begged the Elf-Queen for deliverance and none was given.

When the men returned to the archmage with their news, Ma'asherom rewarded their failure with a long, prolonged and painful death.

Succeeding Avatar. Unknown.

MENEMRONN THE PURPLE

Avatar of: Unknown

Territory: Ended up in Nybelmar.

Demise: 8956 b.S. in the "Year of Dawn". Killed by the elven princess Imsádi with a last curse on his lips, he disappeared in a thick dark mist and his body was never to be found. Everyone that stood near enough died soon after and Imsádi was no exception. The elves named this sickness the "Black Breath of Menemronn".

The supposed death of Menemronn is also a bit foggy in the version of the Kayr elves as they were never sure if his disappearance meant also his death - therefore their later suspicion that a new Shadow is rising in Ehebion: the very spark that started the centuries long war between the first Korweyn Empire and the Ehebion Kingdom.

For Murmillions, Menemronn was not at all the "evil" wizard bent on destroying the world, instead they see him as a civilizing hero. His goal was to bring "enlightenment" to a barbaric land, to show the "true path" to the lost peoples of Nybelmar. They also see Menemronn's defeat in a different way: he was not actually killed, but it was his decision and accomplishment to leave this world for a better one. As a last act, with a last hope to bring redemption for the souls of the sinners, he accomplished a ritual of transcendence, being the first one to lead the way on the "true path" - the forefather. Woven in foolish beliefs, as Murmillions claim, the elves were never able to understand Menemronn's message, and influenced by elves the Korweynite "barbarians" plunged even deeper into a sinful existence. If it wasn't for Kyras, they say, maybe Menemronn's message would have died with his disappearance.

Details: This wizard came to Nybelmar and set out for a campaign meant to bring the continent at his feet. There, at the edge of the newly formed ocean, he erected, by means of magic, a vast mountain range called "the fortress of Eferán’ypheró", "The Burning Mountains", in Eastern Nybelmar.

Using his great powers, he subdued all the tribes living around his new home. He formed a formidable army and he began to burn and chop down the Emerald Woods, the home of his strongest opponents, the elves. The war that started, had slowly spread over all the Nybelmarian lands and all the free races suffered greatly. Those who didn't want to join Menemronn's dreadful legions were meant to be purged from the face of the earth. But when seemingly all hope was lost, a new ray of light shone for the battered tribes, as a great alliance appeared to rise just from the ashes of this continent. The Taeánrhim (the elves of the Emerald Woods) formed the Great Alliance on the Sohoi Mountains with the three great human tribe leaders: Korweyn (later to be known as "the Great"), Enfastalos (later to be known as "the Quick") and Kyras (later to be known as "the Dark").

All the versions of this story agree that it was the human Korweyn the one who had slain Menemronn's champion, causing havoc among the dark ones. The war moved then further to the east and after months and months of endless battles the Alliance's army were at the gates of Eferán’ypheró. Again, the humans were the first who stormed the fortress, where, it is said, Menemronn himself awaited them. Both Korweyn and Enfastalos died by Menemronn's very hands and many human soldiers perished with them. Kyras and his men though, managed to retreat from the scene of battle. It was only when the elven princess Imsádi charged frenetically followed by an elven battle group that the fate of this battle favoured the Alliance.

Following the chaos, Menemronn tried to flee but Imsádi's arrow, it is said, found a gap in the Darklord's obsidian armor, where Enfastalos' bows had opened the ways. Then towering over the falling wizard, her silver sword struck a mighty blow, deep into the the gap created by Korweyn's blast. Also it is said, that just before the sunrise, with a last curse on his lips, this Chosen of Nybelmar fell within a thick dark mist and his body was never to be found. Everyone that stood near enough died soon after and Imsádi was no exception. The elves named this sickness the "Black Breath of Menemronn". Imsádi was hulled into white clothes and laid on a bed of satin and silk, but under the influence of this sickness her skin had been turned grey and dry, and even the dwarves mourned the evanescence of her beauty...

Kyras and his men wanted to stay and form a new wondrous Kingdom on such a place of power, but Nandros (Korweyn's brother) wanted to follow the advice of the elves. Finally they all decided to leave, but before crossing the Jerrah, Kyras turned his men back into the hills before the Burning Mountains (Eferán’ypheró). There, with his men, and with the remnants of Menemronn's armies (humans, but also some twisted elven clans) they forged a new nation: Murmillions.

The Kayr elves claim that Menemronn was actually the Chosen of Coór. In later times (long after the Year of Darkness) the Arkhaeon Guild went even further, claiming that, as a Chosen of Coór, not only that Menemronn didn't die, but that his "spirit" lives in each and every enlightened one (the Guild Leaders, obviously).

After the war, the highest peak of Menemronn's magical mountains crumbled into the sea with a furious eruption, its place being taken by what we call now the "Bay of Desolation" (the most treacherous waters on the eastern coast). His fortresses were also slowly swallowed by the mountains but, nevertheless, a lot of knowledge, buildings and artifacts survived and they would of course become material for many legends in the minds of the people involved in these events. Such is the case with Menemronn's enchanted obsidian armour. It is believed that the one that wears it gains great powers over nature and is also bound to master the lands though no matter the cost.

But perhaps the most interesting of all is the legend about the Throne of Menemronn. The Kayr elves tell that the throne on which Menemronn sat was filled with magical energies radiating from eight stones that were built in it. They claim that these stones were crafted by Menemronn himself to help him achieve the complete domination of all the peoples of Nybelmar. Supposedly there were four stones concentrating the power of the elements and another four acting as their counterpart. They named the stones Avásh'catár (standing for Wind), Efér'catár (standing for Fire), Már'catár (standing for Water), Mód'catár (standing for Earth), and as well Ancían'catár (standing for Silence), Móh'catár (standing for Darkness), Cár'tuulén'catár (standing for Ice) and Hal'catár (standing for Stone). Still, the exact purpose for which he crafted them is only a matter of speculation, what is sure though is that their mere presence has the power to influence the mind of the bearer. After the war, the elves claimed the "Lightstones" to help them heal the lands and warned the humans not to touch the remaining "Darkstones". But these were later claimed by Kyras and spreaded among the new clans of Ehebion (the so called "Lords of the Sickle"). Eventually they were lost so that only the Kayr elves and the Korweynite humans still believe in their existence.

Succeeding Avatar: Unknown

SARIA STARLIGHT

Avatar of: Queprur

Territory: Unknown.

Demise: Unknown.

Details: 9372 - Invasion of the Temple of Weaving: Saria Starlight, Chosen of Queprur, invades the Temple of Weaving. The Old Weavers are turned into slaves and used as weapons in the War of the Chosen. Many Old Weavers die simply because Saria has a particular rivalry with another Chosen who takes to attacking the Temple.

In those first years the Weavers kept their secret well, and none knew that they even existed. Alas, the secret was finally broken by a man named Saria Starlight, who had aspirations to use his power to dominate all those weaker than himself. Without warning he occupied the Temple of Weaving, which he took as his own, and made all those within slaves. Saria declared war on his first foe, a man who is forgotten by now. One thing is known, however, that he was a very powerful mage, as powerful possibily as Saria, the traitor. He came to the Temple under cover of night and with his magic he slew many a Weaver of Saria's followers and innocent slaves. Finally he as well as Starlight were defeated by the formerly enslaved Weavers

Succeeding Avatar. Unknown

YAIROK (most likely Dark, not confirmed)

Avatar of: Unknown

Territory: "Archmage of the North".

Demise: Died mostly likely in the Battle of Winds.

Details: Attacked Eckra the Cruel's army in the Battle of Winds after Eckra's inital attack on the joint armies of Coulande and Dra'va'ensle. Eckra's forces were caught completely unaware by the sudden attack. More details at the Battle of Winds.

Succeeding Avatar. Unknown



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COULANDE

Avatar of: Unknown

Territory: South.

Demise: Most likely in the Battle of Winds.

Details: The armies of Coulande (White) in the south and Dra'va'ensle (White), the half-elven, in the west met in the plains beneath the Shadow Lands and combined their forces as they heard rumour of Eckra the Cruel amassing forces. They formed an army called "Sýs'cortná'avá" (two becoming one). More details at the Battle of Winds.

Succeeding Avatar. Unknown.

DRA'VA'ENSLE (Half-Elf, Injerín)

Avatar of: Unknown

Territory: West.

Demise: Most likely in the Battle of Winds.

Details: The armies of Coulande (White) in the south and Dra'va'ensle (White), the half-elven, in the west met in the plains beneath the Shadow Lands and combined their forces as they heard rumour of Eckra the Cruel amassing forces. They formed an army called "Sýs'cortná'avá" (two becoming one). More details at the Battle of Winds.

Succeeding Avatar. Unknown.

MIRHAN THE JUST

Avatar of: Unknown

Territory: Northern Sarvonia, Kanapan Lands.

Demise: Unknown

Details: The Chosen of the East proclaims himself in the Kanapan lands and great wonders are done for the Kanapan people. It is thought that this is the time of the "Old Gods" that they talk about.

Has put an enchantment on the Forsaken Blade made by Alteth before he battled Alteth, but, magic that powerful could only be temporary. It faded after the conflict.

Succeeding Avatar. Unknown.



Grey Side (Neutral)

THALAMBATH

Avatar of: Unknown

Territory: Unknown

Demise: It is at the sight of his last hope gone that Thalambath lost the last piece of sanity and ordered his seven followers to leave him once and for all. When they returned the ruins had made place for a gigantic castle, a black rock standing at the mountainside (today part of the City of Thalambath). Thalambath in person had disappeared but it is believed that he lives on within the walls of the fortress, the last remnants of his lifeforce living on in a large green diamond, the Heart of Thalambath, hidden deep within the dungeons of the fortress. But no one has ever found it, yet. Rumours have spread of undead and other arcane servants still lingering in the darkness, defending the dwindling consciousness of their master.

Since Thalambath’s founding, however, more stories and myths have arisen beyond the initial founding. The Seven themselves are also mired in mystery, and many believe that they still exist, kept alive through powerful sorcery. Their powers are supposedly far beyond the capabilities of modern mages, instead maintaining arcane secrets from the age of the Chosen. The Seven are rumoured to be able to shape-shift, changing into other people or even alien animals and monsters, infiltrating and manipulating other societies for their own benefit, and being the true masterminds behind Strata’s original trade empire.

Demise: The Tale of the Keep's Heart is an ancient legend dating back to the time when the Tharian King Santhros the Wise united the southern Sarvonian Kingdoms. When he arrived in Thalambath, at the largest city in southern Sarvonia, it is told that the Stratanians demanded from him to prove that he was worthy - and so he enter the dungeons below the castle of Thalambath, once home of a notorious wizard... Santhros entered the castle and eventually gripped the stone with both hands. He lifted it with ease from the tomb. But he had only taken the stone and a deep dark voice, serene and terrifying at the same time, echoed through the room, making the ground shake beneath his feet, and small pieces of stone fell from the ceiling as shivers ran down his spine. The green light darkened. Only the eyes of the statue lit up for a moment as the voice shook the foundation of the keep. "Peace at last."

So the legend was fulfilled, the stone taken by the true unificator, and Thalambath subdued to the might of Santhros. The legendary stone was never seen afterwards and some harsh voices even claim that the legend around it was purely invented in order to build a myth around Santhros' person.

Succeeding Avatar: Santhros.



General Notes:

- Three Chosen died in the Battle of Winds, among them: Eckra the Cruel.
Others? Could be Yairok (Dark), Coulande (White), Dra'va'ensle (White).

The Midnight Blade

This blade is thousands of years old and was originally wielded by the legendary Bone Queen (Queen of Wind), the ruler of the shadow elves, then later dubbed the "Midnight Blade" and used by one of the Chosen. The Midnight Blade corrupts the powers of the one who wields it so as to create greater, if more demonic, effects. Specifically the blade warps the powers of wind magic to bring chaos and torment onto the world, and slowly maddens any mortal foolish enough to attempt to use it.

The Battle of Winds

The armies of Coulande (White) in the south and Dra'va'ensle (White), the half-elven, in the west met in the plains beneath the Shadow Lands and combined their forces as they heard rumour of Eckra the Cruel amassing forces. They formed an army called "Sýs'cortná'avá" (two becoming one). In the first battle Eckra dealt heavy losses to the White army. Finally night enclosed the exhausted armies, and they gradually broke away from the conflict. After a time the men were all back in their own camps, and kept watch on each other with a tense peace, enforced by the exertions of the day and the ensuing darkness.

That same night the archmage of the north, Yairok, and his troops moved close enough to survery the situation under the cover of night. The flaring of the campfires outnumbered the stars themselves. Yairok knew he had to take advantage of his surprise, as this was the best chance to defeat his opponents. His troops rushed towards the nearest encampment and engaged the sleeping army.  Eckra's forces were caught completely unaware by the sudden attack. Many of his troops were slaughtered before they could even raise a weapon

Just as Eckra’s troops were being driven back, the Sýs'cortná'avá attacked Yairok’s men from the rear. Even with their fatigue, the men of the white army were able to hue down those that stood before them. Eckra brought in a new weapons: Netherbeasts, summoned from the depths of the Netherworlds were given free reign over the field of battle.

Everything imagined and much that cannot be were thrown at each other, until the very earth was ripped asunder beneath their feet. The raging sea poured in and engulfed the wizards, and what was left of the tattered armies. This in pouring of water created what is known as Eight Winds Bay, all that remains, of that plain of blood and death, are but three islands. All of which are fertile, some say due to the thousand who poured their life into that soil. Till this very day, an electrical charge can be felt in the area, causing one's hairs to stand on end. In fact there is an enormous whirlpool in the middle of the bay. Some say the whirlpool was caused by the affects of the powers that were released during the battle. But, still others scoff at this notion and mark it down as simply a natural occurrence.
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« Reply #1 on: 21 July 2009, 03:30:23 »

I start a thread here as already mentioned somewhere, which will deal with the War of the Chosen. The current entry is sketchy, maybe even contradictory and there are lots of assumptions here and there, the Gods seem to manage all its beginning as if it were the most natural thing in the world, Capher even based a whole book he started on things that are just taken for granted etc. It is unclear where which Chosen was located, on which side they fopught, what he/she did and why and what power a Chosen had and what each one's supposed demise was, and so on.

This all needs to be brought together in a form that is somewhat cohesive. Elements that are there should be incorporated ideally, but on the other hand the mythological ambivalence of certain stories need to be kept in the open. So there's a lot of piecing together to be made here, and some things just need be made more concrete to make sense in a larger context and allow further development/mythology in that context.

So I've started this thread with an empty post at the beginning as of yet, where eventually the revised entry will end up. Until then I will do some researches and try to collect information/ideas and post them here in the course of time. Don't know how long it will take to get as far as I need in order to be able to do the rewrite, but this has been on my mind for a longer time already (with further things in hindsight), so it's about time that it finally gets at least started. So this is the initial post for that.
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« Reply #2 on: 21 July 2009, 03:59:53 »

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Could you put here some links as well, where you find that parts which are here and there? Not all might be found with the search function.

With the great changes in the South during this time, I might need one Chosen, eventually two,, before the time when Thalambath came down.

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« Reply #3 on: 21 July 2009, 04:10:30 »

Anything I can do, let me know.  I'm interested in this, as the whole Ice Tribe views on magic were formed during these years, as well as the Forsaken Blade, by the black chosen Alteth.  So, I'd like to understand a bit more on this time.
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« Reply #4 on: 21 July 2009, 05:05:18 »

Dont forget Menemronn the Purple!
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« Reply #6 on: 21 July 2009, 05:10:37 »

Don't worry, Deci, I'll put that one in as well :) Still a lot to do. I've collected at least some basic information on some so far and put it in the previous thread. So if there's something (or a lot) missing - this will follow. This post just serves to get a general overview - if you want to know where to find which information, just ask.

P.S. If you look closer you'll also already see a glimpse of the larger cosmological concept behind all this shining through which I'm trying to persue a bit.  cool
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« Reply #7 on: 21 July 2009, 05:38:12 »

Is there a fixed number of Chosen and I just didn't find it?

Could you be a bit more concrete what this 'cosmological concept' concerns? Please!
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« Reply #8 on: 21 July 2009, 14:36:33 »

So far it's basically in the line "Succeeding Avatar: Santhros." More details to come, this is just a rough collection of stuff right now that's already on site.
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« Reply #9 on: 22 July 2009, 03:42:30 »

What does avatar mean exactly?
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« Reply #10 on: 22 July 2009, 04:19:18 »

Ok, some details on the avatar concept I have in mind...

First of all: This is inspired by a TV series I watched recently, "Carnivàle" (details here), which is a pretty cool idea the way it was done there: American Dustbowl, 1930s, travelling carnival, apocalyptic fight between "awakening" avatars in the "last age of magic". I think these ideas fit even better in an explicit fantasy setting as we have it, yet we'd do it not in that typical black/white religious scheme. The mystery TV series was not appreciated enough by the the studio HBO who cancelled the show after only two seasons when it was at its ultimate peak. It is slow and needs its time to deliver answers, which eventually broke its neck I guess, because most people nowadays prefer not to think when watching TV. Anyway, it's highly recommended from my point of view, and it even has Michael J. Anderson, the Twin Peaks' dwarf, in a starring role. What is also great about the show is that the creator has published pretty much the whole important background story on the internet after the show was cancelled, which gives you a much better understanding of what's going on and what has been intended all along.

Anyway, on that avataric concept and how it can work in Santharia: The thing with the War of the Chosen is that this is a war of guys that are extremely powerful, and why so - because they actually represent the Gods duking their battles out. The current concept already pretty much makes it clear that the Chosen are dedicated to certain Gods, have some of their abilities, so far just called "magical powers". The abilities most likely vary. With other words: While the Gods retreated with the War of the Chosen from Caelereth, they left half-Gods there to fight a battle between White and Black, Dream and Reality, Good and Evil if you so want, etc. In between we have a Grey side as well, a neutral one.

Chosens thus are pretty much "avatars", supreme beings that cannot be compared with normal mortals, incarnations of godly powers. If you think about it, it doesn't make that much sense that Chosen just get killed and that the godly power just disappears from the face of the disc. Yet, the War of the Chosen ended as far as we know, but this doesn't mean that the Chosen disappeared, it means that their powers could be neutralized, contained, so that the Chosen couldn't do any harm. So maybe the War of the Chosen ended, but the godly powers aren't gone. They could be still lingering somewhere, hoping to break out again, cause who could ever actually destroy a God?

If we look at what we have on some Chosen, we know e.g. that one (Alteth) was "captured" in his sword, so he's still around somewhere, somehow. Then we know that there were weird occurrences in Tak'Dinal, Eckra's ancient keep, which transformed a beautiful elf into the deadly Devourer as if Eckra himself had risen from his wet tomb in the Battle of Winds. And finally we know that Thalambath seemed to try to get rid of his powers by turning into a fortress, where Santhros eventually managed to retrieve the heart (of Thalambath), and supposedly the godly power that lay therein. To name just a few examples as things I've gathered yet on all this.

This all suggests to me that the godly powers still are present in Caelereth and that they still might try to work in the background (in artifacts or perhaps even in people). It might not have been just a simple legend that Santhros took Thalambath's heart to prove his courage - he might have been a player in the cosmological battle - gratia Dei if you so want: Thalambath, the neutral one, could have waited for the King that stands for Unity for thousands of years. Wars might have been fought due to the Chosen, long after their supposed demise - and they might be again.

Note that the avatar concept as such doesn't mean that Santhros or anyone else actually knows what's going on. The godly powers might be lingering and need to be rediscovered. Avatars might however know of their importance through dreams, visions of the future etc. And basically it would all remain a myth nevertheless, yet could be utlized for a, say, fantasy novel in a fantasy universe. At any rate that myth would need to be outlined in elven writings for example, so that it is clear how avataric powers can be transferred, what an avatar can do, that only avatars can kill avatars, that sort of thing. To make it all work it would be important to keep things vague and mythical, background stuff, as we don't want supermen fighting each other.

The basic idea is that the godly power still resides on Caelereth and that it has ways to alter history, that fate and free will are tied together in the historical progression. So all in all everything that happens might happen for a reason, as cosmological principles are actually still at work.
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« Reply #11 on: 22 July 2009, 04:29:12 »

Could I elect an avatar for Menemronn....or three, even....The Pyrunai Brothers?
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« Reply #12 on: 22 July 2009, 04:41:11 »

Ohhhhh... what a perfect way to introduce my Delthenoyre Witches!!  I like very much.   :D  I shall be watching this with great interest.
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« Reply #13 on: 22 July 2009, 05:41:08 »

Hey yes, Alt, I had the same thought!

Great concept, Artimidor!

But which gods oppose which? I laid down some relations in Shendar myths. The need to be altered slightly to adjust them to my new ideas, but would they fit your ideas as well?

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« Reply #14 on: 22 July 2009, 23:32:29 »

Will this be based on that story in the "War of the Chosen" entry? Which god is evil and which on the good side?

The gods are mostly not described as being such childish beings as to want to destroy Ava's children because one goddess gets not the lover she wants. Even Queerer I never imagined as so childish and without dignity to have such a wish.

Could it not be a fight Coir against the 12 gods ? He as Ava's dark image wold be strong enough  to fight twelve of her creations easily.
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