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« Reply #120 on: 23 February 2011, 10:14:39 »

Thanks for digging that up, Artimidor. :D

So Druids believe it is made naturally.

From my understanding of that snippet, the elves do as well.

So having a cult that believes in that ... a rumoured cult perhaps ... that believes in that stuff about the the chosen being trapped down there ... perhaps Gouran as well ... might be the best way of going about it.

Daughters of Gouran? Sisters of Gouran? Sisters of Destruction? Sisters of the Devourer? Daughters of Destruction? Daughters of the Devourer? Perhaps

Other suggestions?

Gagh ... I need to stop this :(
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« Reply #121 on: 16 March 2011, 06:09:42 »

Still don't know how to deal with the issue around the coats of arms raised by Artimidor.

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- You mention the coat of arms of the Lost Ones: "a sea blue background with three waves on it" and then the Water Druid sign "consisting of three curves depicting waves". Aren't these coat of arms rather similar?

I used the descriptions basically as they appeared in the BSE and the Blue Druids entries. And the fact that they were similar struck me as well ... so maybe, I should just mention the completed BSE coat of arms, and not the coat of arms of the two groups that formed it?

That coat of arms is at least somewhat different to the Blue Druids one ... and besides, neither of the other two coat of arms would still be in existence, would they?

Edit: The following is what I originally had in the entry for my own reference if I should need to revive any or all of it again

The Artyrhón elves are the largest group living in and around Eight Winds Bay and so their coat of arms is the one most frequently seen on the islands, shore and boats found in the bay. Their coat of arms is a combination of two older coat of arms from the two separate groups that make up the Arthyrón elves. Each of these groups were originally of the Injerin but had split away from that tribe at different points in the past. In the case of the Lost Ones, a Sect of Druids, the sea was seen as deliverer in their flight from the orcs and this featured significantly on their coat of arms - a sea blue background with three waves on it. These stylised waves represent the three islands of Eight Winds Bay.

The remainder of the Artyrhón were the Folkmore elves. They fled the destructive power of Gouran in 1649 b.S. The Folkmore saw the ship as saviour and featured strongly, with flag unfurled, in the wind. The background behind their ship was black, signifying the Year of Darkness during their flight of terror. In time, these two coats of arms were combined into the coat of arms of the Artyrhón - a silver ship, with flags unfurled, riding upon a blue ocean, consisting of three stylised waves. The sail of the ship is unfurled, and the background around the ship is black.
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« Reply #122 on: 17 March 2011, 04:31:32 »

Don't know exactly where you found the conflicting information - but the coat of arms could be slightly tweaked e.g. where the one of the Lost Ones is mentioned, that would save some trouble. Maybe Azhira has an idea to make it more unique?
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« Reply #123 on: 17 March 2011, 04:42:02 »

I got it from the Blessed Sea Elves entry and the Druids entry (for the druids, scroll down to the water druids. I suggested in an earlier post that maybe the coat of arms of one of the groups could be changed slightly, suggested the Lost Ones part, and also suggested that Azhira would need to have a say in it.

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That was something that struck me as well. There was a discussion earlier in this thread between myself, Rayne and Azhira (maybe others) about the coat of arms for the BSEs. The BSE entry just said they had two groups that formed and became one, one being the Folkmore, with the other group being unnamed, Azhira, said it could be the Lost Ones. The Coats of Arms as I described them are basically what the entries for the Lost Ones/BSEs and Blue Druids said about their coats of arms. so ... I'm happy to change ... lets say the Lost Ones one to something else ... I think that might be easier than trying to change the Blue Druids one. But Azhira would have to have some say in that, perhaps?

Is the quote from my earlier post.

So its a matter of great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ ... one of the two, I prefer the first to the second one though.
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« Reply #124 on: 17 March 2011, 05:49:14 »

I heard (or rather read...) my name. What about the Lost Ones? I haven't been following closely the discussions. Something I can help clear up?
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« Reply #125 on: 17 March 2011, 06:05:35 »

Guess it's more about the coat of arms of the Blessed Sea Elves rather than the Lost Ones, or? We have overlapping designs as it looks...
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« Reply #126 on: 17 March 2011, 06:30:04 »

Blessed Sea Elf (BSE) entry said the current BSE coat of arms is made up of the two coats of arms of two groups that formed the BSE. One of those groups is the Folkmore Elves, the History table for the Lost Ones said that they went to Eight Winds Bay at one stage. Back when I was initially working on that, I asked who the second group could be, and I'm sure Azhira said I could use the Lost Ones as that second group.

The following is what the BSE entry says about their current coat of arms:

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The coat of arms is a single masted silver ship, its sail unfurled in the wind. It rides upon a blue ocean, with three stylized waves. The background behind the ship is black. This the combination of two older coat of arms from the seperate groups that make up the Arthyrón. One group held their ship as their saviour, while another held the sea as their deliverance, and each was used accordingly. When they became united, then the ship and sea were joined together. The three waves represent the three islands in the Eight Winds Bay, and the black background symbolized their flight during the Year of the Burning Night.]The coat of arms is a single masted silver ship, its sail unfurled in the wind. It rides upon a blue ocean, with three stylized waves. The background behind the ship is black. This the combination of two older coat of arms from the seperate groups that make up the Arthyrón. One group held their ship as their saviour, while another held the sea as their deliverance, and each was used accordingly. When they became united, then the ship and sea were joined together. The three waves represent the three islands in the Eight Winds Bay, and the black background symbolized their flight during the Year of the Burning Night.

I figured that the silver ship part with the black background was Folkmore ... and the ocean with three stylised waves was Lost Ones.

and this is what the Blue Druids says about their coat of arms:

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Their sign can only really be found on ships in which they have joined on a permanent basis (or at least as permanent as a chaotic druid can be), or on trees near large lakes and rivers, and it is that of three curves depicting waves.]Their sign can only really be found on ships in which they have joined on a permanent basis (or at least as permanent as a chaotic druid can be), or on trees near large lakes and rivers, and it is that of three curves depicting waves.

So ... the similarity between them are ...
the three stylised waves from BSE and the three curves depicting waves from Blue Druids.

Edit: Here is the post I was talking about earlier.
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« Reply #127 on: 17 March 2011, 11:19:23 »

Well, the Lost Ones did flee the Themed'lon when the orcs began more aggressive invasions. They left behind their natural ruins and relics for the Kaaer to find centuries later.

I assume the Lost Ones did flee west and began a migration to the Eight Winds Bay. They were druids, having taken up that lifestyle after leaving the main tribe. And given that fleeing over land was not easy (an escape would have been made either south, north or east, all of which the orcs had covered). So the sea was their only chance. The Lost Ones did not have a coat of arms, but perhaps their ancestors later created one in honor of their escape. I am ok with that.

I would have to review the time line of the Lost Ones again. I have forgotten what I intended. The Injerin have had several offshoots over the years and its hard to keep track of them all!
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« Reply #128 on: 17 March 2011, 11:28:49 »

Thank you Azhira
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« Reply #129 on: 31 March 2011, 01:24:48 »

Can't check it today, have an appointment this evening, but will have another closer look tomorrow. But I assume that we should be done now, right Dek?  If you've worked yourself through the comments, we should have everything covered eh?
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« Reply #130 on: 01 April 2011, 04:00:09 »

Well, Dek, I guess it's safe to say that this is it!  grin thumbup

As far as I can see what was still open was now added, things were rounded off here and there, and the entry is really as through as it can be at this point. Looks like the journey to accomplish the perfect masterwork took one and a half years, but it was well worth it, as we have everything covered and lots of comments on 9 pages led to an entry which is very rich in colour, and this doesn't only apply to the edit colours ;) Very well done, Dek!

I'll mark this now for integration and will include it in this week's update, which also makes you an official Santharian member! Guess the Forum inauguration party could be held next weekend after the update, in the meantime you can already put together details for your team page and send them to me once you have them! Congratulations on finally becoming part of the core team!  cool
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« Reply #131 on: 01 April 2011, 04:51:04 »

Yay!

Thanks all for your help, advice, prodding, screaming, and so forth to get me to get this mammoth thing done.

I enjoyed (most of) the journey, and the finished product is one that I can be proud of.

I'll get that information to you right away, Arti.

Dek

Edit: Information sent.

Edit 2: Auras to all and sundry who commented on this undertaking in this thread.
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« Reply #132 on: 01 April 2011, 10:13:27 »

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« Reply #133 on: 04 April 2011, 20:52:21 »

Do we have an award for "longest time to write a masterwork?" Well, we should! Dek would get the longest time and I think I would get the shortest time award...
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