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« Reply #45 on: 23 December 2009, 01:42:01 »

Mira, do that same thumb thing with the North and compare with Talia's measurements. I can't do it since any math more complicated than 2+2 gives me headaches...
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« Reply #46 on: 23 December 2009, 01:43:57 »

gotta go catch a train now, tomorrow, ok?
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« Reply #47 on: 23 December 2009, 01:44:29 »

I am all for bigger.  But do not be too dissapointed in the current sizes.  The Unites States for example hosted hundreds of tribes of native Americans before us Europeans came in.  When you consider our Santharians are traveling by foot and horse we really do have a lot of room.  (Try walking from Copenhagen to Rome.)  Perhaps we need to be careful how big we make the tribes and how populous our dragons are. but overall there is alot of room for culture and creativity in the current size.  As we "fill"  the continents with rich cultures and details I am sure the rest of Caelerath will open up to development.  In ten years time we could also have a need to create new continents. :)
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« Reply #48 on: 23 December 2009, 01:59:44 »

Mira asked me to verify this '4 times bigger' thing before he left so here it goes. I counted pixels in paint and came up with this:

KOLDAR MAP OF NYBELMAR

I actually used a ruler, since this had a scale, and got an approximate width of 2500 strals for Nybelmar

WORLD MAP OF DISK

The width of the disk is 32000 strals...ya? Its also 540 pixels wide. So:

540p=32000

p= approx 59.3

Measuring the pixels of Nybelmar you get 113. So:

113p= N

113 (59.3)= 6701



So Nybelmar is 2.68 times bigger than we thought...but I had always imagined it MUCH bigger.

I still point towards an expansion of scale.
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« Reply #49 on: 23 December 2009, 02:05:20 »

Deci are you saying the scale on the Nybelmar map is currently incorrect?
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« Reply #50 on: 23 December 2009, 02:18:29 »

Yes, it is, but its being redrawn by Mira anyway.

In any case, I still think 6700km is not that large a landmass.
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« Reply #51 on: 23 December 2009, 02:27:05 »

Keep in mind that we have a number of stories and entries that involve details of travel. As you increase the scale, it will take longer for an individual to travel from one place to another, which may mess with the time-line of such stories.

Is there a use in being so precise in terms of the size of these continent? How would making the maps bigger or smaller effect development? We aren't that precise when we do entries, in general--I don't, for example, say that the Goltherlon Forest is XX furlays long, or that the Aerelian Lakes are XX strals wide. Is there some other use enabled through this precision?
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« Reply #52 on: 23 December 2009, 02:31:26 »

Having more area to use in development I would assume.
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« Reply #53 on: 23 December 2009, 02:47:11 »

Rayne, the problem is essentially this:
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« Reply #54 on: 23 December 2009, 02:53:25 »

But we aren't lacking in areas to develop. It's one reason (I assume) why Artimidor tried to keep development in Santharia: there is still a ton to be developed! By making the maps wider, you have more forests, more plains--the geographical landscape becomes more expansive, but it doesn't negate the attribute: the plains are still plains, the forests are still forests.

And Coren, were you trying to post a picture or something? I don't think it came through...
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« Reply #55 on: 23 December 2009, 05:18:13 »

I really would like to know, why Coren thinks as well, that there is a problem.

Nybelmarians, I think I have to be a bit straightforward now. Please forgive me, but I have not the time to be a bit more polite so short before Christmas and you know me anyway  evil

Keep on dreaming. But it has to stay a dream. Why?

1. It would require to redraw the main big map and I would not want to ask Artimidor to do it, it is work which is, imho, not necessary , at least I have seen no reason yet.

2. Scaling the whole thing up (just doubling all sizes) is not possible, for the development on the Sarvonian continent is based on the scales we have. All the wars and relations just don't work on a bigger scale.

3. You knew, how big your continent is when you started developing, now it is even three times bigger, so be content with what you have.

What would an increase in scale bring? More quality or just more quantity? More possibilities for new tribes, or even races?

I think you have pretty many already, very exotic ones and a lot of possibilities to let them interact. Do subtribes. Why don't you do smaller maps like the Manthria one, add there tons of towns and villages? Make your forests, swamps and deserts more detailed.
Invent different customs for your subtribes - there you could write endlessly. Did you know, that often just hundred years ago every valley, every village in Lower Bavaria e.g. had a special habit to dress, to live, different customs just a few strals away . My fellow students had difficulties to understand my dialect, just because I was raised 150 km away form my university, and that after the great mingling of German tribes.  You don't need to have huge areas to be able to develop. Think European, a lot can happen in a small space.

I think I have not seen a single reason, why you want to have more space available. Did I miss something?

No idea, when I can peek in a again
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« Reply #56 on: 24 December 2009, 08:56:45 »

I agree with Talia on this one. There would be little/nothing gained from making the map bigger. Nybelmar still has a lot that needs to be developed (as does Sarvonia).

I find many people who come to Santharia want to make tribes--lots and lots of tribes! But there are other things that need to be done, too, including (in particular) description of places. You should eat everything on your plate before you ask for seconds!
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« Reply #57 on: 24 December 2009, 09:13:12 »

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Why did I get the sudden image of Widow Corney grabbing hold of Oliver's ear in Oliver! when I read that last bit?
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« Reply #58 on: 24 December 2009, 10:02:24 »

Talia, the Nybelmarians already got what they wanted; a bigger Nybelmar.

And it requires the re-drawing of just one single map, namely the Koldar map of Nybelmar, which would be done anyway. Personally, i'm quite happy with that.. (Don't forget, we're expanding to 2,68 times our original size in both north<->south as east<->west, giving us an effective increase of land mass of.. oh, 700% or so?)

@Rayne
Actually, most of the Nybelmarian lands have their tribes assigned and such. We just didn't tell you lot yet ;)
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« Reply #59 on: 24 December 2009, 13:13:12 »

Miraran: I have a feeling that the "Scramble for Nybelmar" (Yes, that's a historical allusion! A cerubell for whoever guesses correctly what it's an allusion to!) was based out of a desire to create more tribes, as the ones in Sarvonia were more or less claimed/developed.

I'm still not certain what increasing the landmass gives you in terms of development.
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