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« on: 13 February 2010, 00:53:04 »

Hi there,

I've come up with the following as names for the three islands for my Eight Winds Bay Masterwork Entry. I was hoping someone could make sure I've done it all correctly.

únn'chrónn - the largest of these three islands. (únn - big; chrónn - island)
Galnós'chrónn - the island north of Ryart Lvardin (galnós - rock; chrónn - island)
Masýr'chrónn - the island north of Tyrling (masýr - fish; chrónn - island)

Artimidor also suggested that I might come up with an Elvish word for 'Whirlpool'. In my entry, I've got it set in motion as a result of the air/water cár'áll from the Battle of the Winds.

Combining those ideas ... I've come up with ...
Avásh - air/wind
már - water
terquán - turning

So maybe Terquán'már'avásh? (Lit. "Turning Water Air")?

I don't know ... I'm not really good at this sort of stuff


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« Reply #1 on: 13 February 2010, 01:56:48 »

Oddly enough, terquán appears to be a noun, so it might not work. We do have cortán 'to turn' and elvíán 'to spin/twirl', from which we could maybe derive a generic term for 'whirlpool'. Maybe something like elvi'thyron? I think that more or less means 'twirling sea'.

As for the Great Whirlpool, a literal translation of that name probably could work (assuming it's a name and not a placeholder), in which case it might be something like cho'elvithyron. Maybe add avash'am'maris 'of wind and water' to it.

I don't actually know if Styrash compound words can work that way, but they look nice to me.


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« Reply #2 on: 13 February 2010, 03:49:52 »

I would assume turquán can be both a noun and a verb (the styrásh dictionary isn't 100% right now--it has masculine words listed as feminine and vice versa). Just remember that if you use it as a verb in your compound, you drop the final "án," giving you "Turqu'már'avásh." It feels a bit strange to me, but it might just be me.

avash'am'maris is peculiar to me just because I've never seen a conjunction in a compound. huh

You of course also have the option of adding new words to the dictionary.


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« Reply #3 on: 13 February 2010, 10:36:14 »

That's true. I was just trying to find a way to apply the genitive to the whole noun phrase at once. Looks like it didn't work so well. lol

Avashis am maris is a more normal way of saying the same thing, I guess?


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« Reply #4 on: 15 February 2010, 06:07:25 »

"Big Island" → Unn’chrónn

"Rock Island" → Gálnos’chrónn

"Fish Island" → Másyr’chrónn

Chances are if these are the names of islands (place-names), they’d erode down to more unitary forms over time. Especially if the isles are inhabited by non-elvish races. Let me know if that’s the case, and we can come up with something.

For "whirlpool," I’d agree with Mina on élvi’thyrón. "Twirling water" (élvi’már) could also work. Both of these are preferable to térqu’mar’avásh for two reasons: terquán is definitely a noun describing the concept of turning (cf. other -án nouns like sae’llán "music") and so cannot be used as a verb; and the compound is unwieldy even by elvish standards, haha. They wouldn’t need such a complex compound for the idea of a whirlpool.


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« Reply #5 on: 16 February 2010, 00:11:16 »

(Erode it into 'terqmarash'?)

Or, as it seems to be better styrash (don't ask me, western nybelmar doesnt have [many] elves); erode elvi'thyron into 'elthron'


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« Reply #6 on: 16 February 2010, 04:39:33 »

From my point of view "élvi’thyrón" doesn't sound that bad in general.

However, even though "térqu’mar’avásh" might not be the best translation, the "eroded" form of "térqu’mar’avás" as Mira puts it "térq'marásh" sounds pretty cool in my ears, so I looked for a way to add some more sense to that or a derived construction.

"Marásh" (már+avásh) is a pretty strong word in itself and could be added to the dictionary meaning "hurricane", which is a storm that has its source in the sea wreaking havoc over land. The whirlpool we're talking about could be interpreted as a permanent hurricane in the water, so we could use "tuulén" (forever) as the first part of the word, and "eroded" it would be something like "tuu'marásh". How the "tuu" is actually pronounced isn't clear yet, but I'd go with a double "oo" like in "doom", "gloom" or "tomb" - interesting connotations here, which subconsciously indicate the danger of this phenomenon. That's just my take on it, though.


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« Reply #7 on: 11 April 2010, 23:58:19 »

Wouldn't it be a lot easier just to add a new word that sounds a bit like már and/or élvi’thyrón? After all, how is styrash going to grow if most of the words are recycled from others?


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« Reply #8 on: 12 April 2010, 21:30:13 »

Maybe BUT Styrash is like German insofar as the potential for compound gives an unlimited range of expressable ideas with a small basic vocabulary. Adding new root words is fairly serious, as they havepotential to change the face of the language. A complex idea like "whirlpool" would not be a root word, I think. In English it's a compound (a "turning" "pool" - spinning area of water).

In compound languages, few ideas are root ideas. Even "hospital" in German (on about which I harp, I know) is literally "sick house".

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« Reply #9 on: 17 May 2010, 19:35:09 »

Thank you all for your help with this. I think the name I like best is Tuu'marásh for the whirpool ... but then again, I also like élvi’thyrón and élvi’már

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