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« on: 01 June 2010, 11:01:58 »

Hello all!  grin

I have been very interested and have been researching into the idea of a Santharian Postal System since before my absence, and i have numerous ideas on how to employ such a service. Very basic Terran systems of post started cropping up in Egypt around 2400bc, so I assume a Time-Period issue should not be a big concern. I have scanned the Dev side for some signs of prior discussion, but I have not found anything as of yet. Of course the System would be based within the Santharian Kingdom, however im sure a Fed-Ex to the northern wastes could be achievable with suitable payment. :P

I would very much like to pursue an entry in this area, but as it is a rather general one,  I would really like your thoughts and views before embarking on it.

Cheers!

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« Reply #1 on: 01 June 2010, 11:30:29 »

Hmm...perhaps certain people could carry messages for certain fees? Although not bloody and full of glory, I could see mercenaries carrying messages for good enough payment, so rather than an official system, I could see freelancers doing this (althoug the thought of a company doing this as proffesionals is entirely possible too).
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« Reply #2 on: 01 June 2010, 11:51:12 »

Typically traders would carry messages. They get around after all.

But if you want to make it official, I recommend putting an office in the capitals and other major cities and sending mail for anywhere in that province to one of these offices. Send it to the nearest office to it's point of origin first. Then from there onto the office closest to it's destination with the least travel time. Repeat until you reach an office that can send it to the destination by messenger or with a trader. Maybe certain traders are sanctioned to perform this duty. If, as a message travels from one office to another, it passes it's destination it can be delivered.

So If I wanted to get a message from Santhala to Fang Julin, over in the tip of Manthria, it'd go from Santhala to Marcogg (or maybe Chondra first). From Marcogg down to Klinsor, possibly by way of the Ria? And from Klinsor to Ciosa by boat before arriving and Fang Julin by trader or messenger.
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« Reply #3 on: 01 June 2010, 13:03:09 »

Hooray!!! Only like five minutes posted and i already have great ideas! Haha! Thanks for the gold guys!  :P

Yes, I did presume that there would be traders and travelling mercenaries that would pass a message whether orally or by written letters, so I thought that a commercial Santharian Postal System would be quite modernly "class based". A state run enterprise (with direct approval of the Santhran of course!)  would deliver letters handed in at post offices located in major cities or post boxes located in most towns. A stamp would indicate the class of delivery. For instance if i could only afford a 2 san stamp my letter would be delivered by 4th class, which would include freelance traders and mercenaries that would be hired by the state for this purpose, delivery not guaranteed. However if i stamped first class my letter would be delivered by trained courier, within a much shorter time-frame and with a more secure delivery guarantee. I also considered a Santharian "Air-Mail" where letters are sent via carrier pigeon. Wether delivery requires Sea/Land/air/(magical?) travel would also decide the final fee.

Delivery to other continents will be a little more tricky, and would rely on a private courier specifically departing for said continent. But the purpose of a state approved postal service is to organise these services for the customer upon purchase, saving on contact time, so this organisation will be done behind the counter rather than the sender.

Also gives an opportunity to design stamps!!! *The Joys* grin heart
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« Reply #4 on: 01 June 2010, 13:23:22 »

Keeping in mind this would be an exclusively human practice. Dwarves can communicate (at least some tribes) using bats, we have entangled mushrooms, Coor knows what the elves could think up?

Official (government type) business could be carried by one of the Santhran's Orders. A Knight of Armeros, a White Knight or a Seyelite I think, depending on what it is and where it's going.
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« Reply #5 on: 01 June 2010, 19:38:51 »

This is an idea that would really be worth looking into.

In a kingdom such as Santharia, it makes sense to me to have a state-run postal carrier system. Perhaps one of the provinces or noble houses would be the chief owners and/or investors in such an enterprise. I would think that a tribe with a well known history with horses would be good, given that messengers would need to know how to handle and ride a horse in many kinds of terrain and weather. The Centoraurians come to mind?

And as Valan said, this would be mostly a human practice, as other races (Brownies may have a similar concept using the Arrowhead goose). I like the idea of elves using magic to send their messages. Maybe wind magic? Some races could use the human postal system like gnomes or Zirghurim, who may live among humans.
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« Reply #6 on: 01 June 2010, 20:43:23 »

Avoiding the use of words such as 'office', 'postal', 'mail' and certainly 'stamp' would be key to making this a unique and Santharian enterprise.

 Though the suggestion has never been formalized, we have mentioned and referenced royal couriers and a sort of delivery system involving both horses and wagons.  I do believe I did a horse messenger picture at one point....

My suggestions:  start from scratch to envision a truly fantasy, medieval-feeling, organically-developed type of way to transfer messages and small packets between non-merchants (because merchants merely use the existing trade routes and infrastructure.  Which is not to say that private citizens couldn't use it as well... which might mean that some enterprising merchant was the one to begin charging people who asked him to 'send along a note to Granny at the crossroads'.....see what I mean about organic?  Let it develop WITHIN the existing universe rather than trying to work out a top-down system that you've designed in detail and then imposed upon Santharia...)

Language that might work better:

Couriers / Post Messengers / Royal Messengers / Merchant Riders

Courierdens / Post-inns / Post Waystations / Riders' Outlets

Postmarks / Postseals / Courvals (short for Courier's Validation Seals, which every official rider carries in his/her messenger bag and uses to mark proof of payment....)  / Santhekets (small tags which are tied firmly to the parcel which contain the intended recipient's name, an indication of where she might be found, and the cost of delivery.   If this last is deliberately left blank, the recipient must pay to retrieve his parcel from the courier's hands - or forfeit whatever he has been sent....)

Posthorses / Postwains / Couriermounts/ Messagewains /


And so on. 

Perhaps these suggestions may spark further interest and creativity?
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« Reply #7 on: 01 June 2010, 23:12:11 »

I think a stamp is legit, but maybe not the rest of them. Although to Santh it you may want to have "seal" or some such thing.
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« Reply #8 on: 01 June 2010, 23:20:46 »

You could have a system whereby the state designates certain areas to the service of noble families e.g. in England the state runs the train system. However, they have privatised the system, meaning although they own the system, each area is run by a company.
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« Reply #9 on: 02 June 2010, 00:06:13 »

The aforementioned picture.
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« Reply #10 on: 02 June 2010, 04:44:51 »

Picture is still not integrated, so maybe if an entry comes out of this, it could finally make it on site...

Couriers indeed have been mentioned BTW in multiple places, Eyrin in the Avaesthoría book I started a while ago is also a courier working for the Santhran. So I guess you could say the idea was there's an official courier system existing throughout the kingdom, the couriers carry important messages at least for the governing people and change horses at the various stations on their way.
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« Reply #11 on: 02 June 2010, 08:45:06 »

Don't forget about the Wynd Racer bird, used as a source of communication between Santharian researchers!
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Usages. The Wynd Racer, likes its cousins in the past, the coa’coa bird, is mainly used for humans to be able to communicate with one another over long distances in a short period of time.

Kli’ven Poul has discovered records dating as far back as 4.000 b.S. as to how the coa’coa’s were used by kings and leaders of the ancient kingdoms of Sarvonia to communicate in times of war with their generals. However, unlike the Wynd Racer the coa’coa’s did not have the speed or endurance and often the birds would get lost along with their messages if the distances were too long.

Another usage of the Wynd Racer is for food. During times of famine or even the very poor will kill these birds and use them for food. There were cooks who have been known to come up with a recipe for the very young ones, two years or younger, and serve them as a delicacy to the nobility or affluent. This cooked bird is called a “Squab”.

Their droppings upon the cities statues and other important buildings have created a work force of men and women who scrape the droppings into large vats and then sell these vats to farmers who, along with their own animal’s droppings, spread and mix it with their soil to create a very rich and fertile growing field.

Wynd Racer feathers are also used by the amantry industry in towns like Lorehaven because of their natural beauty and myriad of colours.

The last usage and probably the most fun is the annual Santharian Wynd Race. Here nobles, affluent and even common bird fanciers put up wages to see what bird they own will outrace the others back to their homes. The winner receives a Goldbard and a trophy with ruby eyes in the shape of the Wynd Racer.

The race has been modified each year by going longer distances, or releasing the birds at night or both. The record goes to a Cyhalloian Snow named “Spirit” for a distance of 990 furlays in 22 days for a speed of a little over 45 furlays an hour. 
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« Reply #12 on: 03 June 2010, 07:43:59 »

Thanks ever so much for all your comments guys, its given me alot to think about!!!!! grin hug *Petros Mega-Huggles everyone and passes round gifts of home-baking*

I did originally intend to incorporate all previous courier systems, and thanks to your pointers I have now got solid grounds of research such as the Wynd Racer, Royal Couriers and Traders with Wagons.

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Let it develop WITHIN the existing universe rather than trying to work out a top-down system that you've designed in detail and then imposed upon Santharia...
I am guilty as charged, as I usually conceive a concept, then research and see how I can impose it upon Santharia. This is totally the wrong way to go about creating entries and I realise that my ideas will become more fluid, original and easier to write if I build the pyramid from the bottom. *Petros "accidentally" pushes the big red "MENTOR SYSTEM RESTART" button and clings onto Judy.* :P

I will Post a very skeletal entry either tomorrow or the day after, so Ya'll can see what kind of stuff i'm larking on about.

Thank you for your time guys! Enjoy your cake! grin
 
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« Reply #13 on: 03 June 2010, 13:22:34 »

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Haggis flavoured cake.  Muahahahahaha :P
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