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[Alexandre Scriabin]

From the entry on the Island of Denilou (forgive me for the block of text you have to read for me, I broke it in two for you guys):

The most prominent construction however on Denilou of course is the great undergroud empire of Toll Brok'Baroll (Thergerim: Toll Brok'Baroll, lit. "under Brok-Father"), with thousands of tunnels leading deep into the earth, harbouring the dwarven Mytheron clan (probably derived from the plural of the word "mithten", meaning "iron"). In their empire the dwarves are mainly mining for ores like iron, silver and gold. Especially iron can be found at various places at the Rotrumerons Mountains, which also is the reason why Denilou is often refered to as the "Iron Realm". Nearly all mines throughout the island are connected to the great empire of Toll Brok'Baroll. Every dwarven clan lord of the empire has the status of being a living legend, just like Brok was a legend already during his lifetime. The clan lord of the Mytheron dwarves represents the spirit of their famous founder, who discovered the island and gave their lives a new purpose.

Thus the empire was constructed in his honour and the translation of the term Toll Brok'Baroll with "under Brok-Father" also is due to the fact that an enormous statue of Brok was erected in the center of the isle, near the main entrance to the realm, reminding the dwarves of Brok's deeds and unforgetable character. The statue was hewn from the rock of the Rotrumerons Penegrinuth, and has a size of more than 200 peds, resisting wind and weather for more than two and a half millenia by now. Hundreds of dwarves worked over several years for the statue's completion, showing Brok on the lookout for new lands and adventure, a symbolic gesture, representing the character of the Mytheron quite well. It is said that the gigantic statue still exists and that every now and then dwarves from all over Santharia (especially from the clan of the Mitharims) leave the continent every hundred years, though they usually do sea travelling only reluctantly, in order to pay tribute to the famous figure of Brok Strongarm. The statue is also a common topic for artists to depict whenever they happen to stay for a while in the "Iron Realm" of Deni'lou.

So, we have some decent background on them, but no tribe entry and no mention of them amongst the major dwarf clans in the Theregerim Race entry. All sorts of architecture, a charismatic figure of their own, and their own clan and lords with the leader being glorified in much the same manner as Brok Strongarm.

So, are they a people with all of the same physical characteristics and culture as the Mitharim, or have they become their own people in the past 200 years?

Edit: By the way, I did read the entry on Brok Strongarm, and have done quite a bit of reading on the Theregrim people and the Mitharim clan, so I'm intimately familiar with this kind of stuff.

[Alexandre Scriabin]

Ooohhh.. Pardon my absentmindedness. I forgot that the Age of Awakening is in b.S., not a.S.

So, the Mytheron have been around for quite some time now!

[Artimidor Federkiel]

As you already noted yourself, Alexandre - these dwarves have been on Denilou for millennia already... They aren't really developed in entry form however, so while they have Mitharim ancestors they could have developed in a new direction, making them a very distinct kind of tribe. That's still to be done.

Have you got any specific plans with these guys, or were you just asking a question?

[Alexandre Scriabin]

When I'm free for it (from my current entry and some of the other work I've been doing on the RP boards), I guess I'd like to zero in on them.

There really is no threshold for time, research, or re-editing with me, so I actually get pretty excited when I spend time studying the entries and find big gaps like this (especially if they don't appear to have warranted much discussion), it's like finding sunken treasure!

[Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels]

I don't want to chase you away from those dwarves, Alexandre, come forward with your ideas about these dwarves. But  - isn't a whole tribe entry a bit too much for somebody who is not even an apprentice?

So far such huge works were only allowed as a masterpiece, or reserved for members. I would propose to work on smaller things first and show us, where your qualities lie. Don't think I want to annoy you, but I have seen more than one masterpiece not finished or only after a long time. That means  not only the time of the developer is wasted, but those of the commentators also. Those are  my concerns here. I find it a great idea to start with some smaller works under such a versified member as Azhira. Didn't you think about going up there in the north? (Hopefully Azhira has soon a proper internet though).

Once you are established here, you can have whole Denilou for yourself

[Artimidor Federkiel]

Well, sure starting off right away with a tribe entry isn't ideal, Alexandre - you should always get a few entries under your belt first as you need to proof that you follow through with your ideas and get things done. And right now you're still working on the Ash'mari religion, so first things first.

On the other hand it is recommendable you have a long term perspective as a developer and focus on something specific. You can e.g. create entries around a certain area or tribe in order to make it all fit together. That should be the ideal case I'd say.

So even if you shouldn't start with these dwarves right now, you could make it a long term objective if you like and think about entries to do next that work in the context of Denilou and its inhabitants to paint the whole picture. If you want to go that path, that is - that's just an option, Northern Sarvonia of course also needs its developers

[Alexandre Scriabin]

I don't want to chase you away from those dwarves, Alexandre, come forward with your ideas about these dwarves. But  - isn't a whole tribe entry a bit too much for somebody who is not even an apprentice?

So far such huge works were only allowed as a masterpiece, or reserved for members. I would propose to work on smaller things first and show us, where your qualities lie. Don't think I want to annoy you, but I have seen more than one masterpiece not finished or only after a long time. That means  not only the time of the developer is wasted, but those of the commentators also. Those are  my concerns here. I find it a great idea to start with some smaller works under such a versified member as Azhira. Didn't you think about going up there in the north? (Hopefully Azhira has soon a proper internet though).

Once you are established here, you can have whole Denilou for yourself

You're right, I haven't done much here yet and this is quite the task.

I would propose that I just keep on working on filling in religions and whatnot, or maybe devise a couple games, songs, or poetry. You guys should be able to see the quality of my work before you set me loose on a project like this, right?

Mainly, I mentioned this to keep the idea on the board, and not taking up brain space where I could accidentally lose it. I haven't seen much conversation about it, and it's a pretty big task, so I wouldn't want to forget it or have it forgotten. Just consider it target practice for the time being.

[Alexandre Scriabin]

Well, sure starting off right away with a tribe entry isn't ideal, Alexandre - you should always get a few entries under your belt first as you need to proof that you follow through with your ideas and get things done. And right now you're still working on the Ash'mari religion, so first things first.

On the other hand it is recommendable you have a long term perspective as a developer and focus on something specific. You can e.g. create entries around a certain area or tribe in order to make it all fit together. That should be the ideal case I'd say.

So even if you shouldn't start with these dwarves right now, you could make it a long term objective if you like and think about entries to do next that work in the context of Denilou and its inhabitants to paint the whole picture. If you want to go that path, that is - that's just an option, Northern Sarvonia of course also needs its developers

Well, Arti, an awful lot of places need developers right now, don't they? I may have created something of an excitation for Northern developers, but really I can't find a reason to stick in one place other than for enough elements to back up new entries. Like you (I'm guessing), I just really love this site and all of it's entries, so I have no preferences.

You're probably right (well you are right because you're Arti), in that I would probably need to make a multitude of entries surrounding Denilou and it's denizens, and that sounds like a lot of fun to me. I'll have to think really hard about that when it comes time to start on something new.

But mostly, I'm more concerned about the Ash'mari right now. This is just here to open up brain space and make sure the idea isn't forgotten.

[Azhira Styralias]

Hey Alex, a good idea to develop some of Denilou. I find that island quite fascinating and even mentioned it in my Imp entry.

Its good you have tentatively reserved this dwarven tribe for future development. It gives you time to come up with ideas and concepts for the culture and natives there. 

Keep in mind that most developers have a focus of development - myself, for example, being the North along with Altario and Alysse. Talia specializes in most anything given she has been here a long time. Valan is good with weapons and misc items, while Seth enjoys myths and the bestiary. So it would be help to either narrow a focus on Denilou or the North. It is better for the site that a devver can do this so as to keep ideas consistent rather than write entries all over the place. 

[Alexandre Scriabin]

Hey Alex, a good idea to develop some of Denilou. I find that island quite fascinating and even mentioned it in my Imp entry.

Its good you have tentatively reserved this dwarven tribe for future development. It gives you time to come up with ideas and concepts for the culture and natives there.  

Keep in mind that most developers have a focus of development - myself, for example, being the North along with Altario and Alysse. Talia specializes in most anything given she has been here a long time. Valan is good with weapons and misc items, while Seth enjoys myths and the bestiary. So it would be help to either narrow a focus on Denilou or the North. It is better for the site that a devver can do this so as to keep ideas consistent rather than write entries all over the place.  

Question: Am I required to have a preference, or is it just something you all are hoping for?

If I can, I'd like to show you folks the breadth of my knowledge in many areas as we develop together. I hope to guarantee to you in the future (with my actual works) that my ideas won't be disjointed, and I can be useful in a variety of areas. If anything, my main goal here is fit into those hard to reach places, or those places/things that are wide open like this and haven't even warranted much discussion yet.

[Artimidor Federkiel]

No, you aren't really required to have a preference, Alexandre, basically you should do what you enjoy doing.

It's just the preference of long-term members that there should be a preference for a place, tribe etc., so that things fit together. Because if you know a tribe or a place by heart development will be in general much more consistent compared to doing just a bit of development here and there. If you focus on something the research on the site you did for an entry will be helpful for the next thing you write as well and thus you can fill gaps and write complementary entries. You'll become sort of an expert and whenever there's a specific question by other members, you'll be the guy who can provide an answer where others might have to research for quite a while to get to the bottom of it. So looking at the general picture that's the ideal scenario from my perspective.

[Alexandre Scriabin]

No, you aren't really required to have a preference, Alexandre, basically you should do what you enjoy doing.

It's just the preference of long-term members that there should be a preference for a place, tribe etc., so that things fit together. Because if you know a tribe or a place by heart development will be in general much more consistent compared to doing just a bit of development here and there. If you focus on something the research on the site you did for an entry will be helpful for the next thing you write as well and thus you can fill gaps and write complementary entries. You'll become sort of an expert and whenever there's a specific question by other members, you'll be the guy who can provide an answer where others might have to research for quite a while to get to the bottom of it. So looking at the general picture that's the ideal scenario from my perspective.

Ya, you've got a point there. I'll at least promise you guys I won't dig into something I'm not solid with. But I've been reading these for a couple of years now, so don't be surprised if I basejump occasionally. 

[Deklitch Hardin]

Ya, you've got a point there. I'll at least promise you guys I won't dig into something I'm not solid with. But I've been reading these for a couple of years now, so don't be surprised if I basejump occasionally. 

Personally, I think that base jumping is lots of fun ... let me see ... Kyrania --> Ximax --> Peninsular of Iol --> Manthria Province --> Black Butterfly Rovers --> Kuglimz --> Eight Winds Bay --> Nybelmar (potentially)

Yep, lots of base jumping going on here with me

[Azhira Styralias]

Hey nothing wrong with base jumping!

Although I manage the North, I also have dabbled in the South such as Fanghendge, Ximax Academy, the Imp, Khaius, Anilya...

Its ok to dabble once in a while, but I believe that a general focus is also good to have because who doesn't want to be an expert at something? 

[Alexandre Scriabin]

Well, I guess I'll get back to this thread whenever I'm ready to start talking in earnest about the Mytheron.

For one, I can come up with a list of sources that I have read thoroughly, some ideas I have, and some questions as well. It'll be up to the discretion of you people what I start on to get me in the right direction with the Mytheron.

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