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The Glandorian Language
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This grew out of my ramblings on the Glandorians in the Races forum. It was suggested I move it here. I now have vocab. for both Tharian-Glandorian and Glandorian-Tharian in alphabetical order.
Some additions in
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Principles of the Language (lifted from previous work): comparable to Tharian, represented by a vaguely Germanic language, as Tharian is represented by English. If Tharian = English, Glandorian = Invented Germanic language.
Key:
EoV - End of Verb (suffix)
BV - Before Verb (separate word)
Can be verbed - Can form a verb by adding "er"
Femable - Can be made feminine by changing "o" or "u" to "a"
Current Vocabulary: Tharian-Glandorian
Tharian
Glandorian
Notes
All
Alle
And
Ogj
Arrive
Av
Battle
Wig
Be
Bis
Irregular - Bith not bish
Be able
Kan
Be broken
Brek
Thus brekik - unbroken; brekij - break; brekikij - mend (cause to be unbroken)
Blood
Blod
Can be verbed
Cause to
Ij
EoV
Child
Kith
Also means kid goat
Cut
Bloderij
lit. "cause to bleed"
Damage
Ba
Die
Frawad
In combat
Do.../Will...
Ol
Indicates question. E.g. Dyu frawadol? - Do you fight?
Earth
Lam
As is mud, clay. Lam'en - earthly, mundane
-ed
Ed
*Simple Past* EoV. E.g. Ic frawed - I fought. Just "d" after e
Entire, complete, uncorrupted
Altaewe
Fate
Gjord
Including as a being
Fight
Fraw
Verb
Go
Wend
Verb
Had
Oj
Auxiliary. EoV. E.g. Ic avoj - I had arrived
Has
Or
Auxiliary. EoV. E.g. Ic avor - I have arrived
Hateful
Nitj
Have
Ha
Not auxiliary. Haij - Give (cause to have)
He
Han
Her
Main
Possessive.
His
Hein
House
Hau
I
Ic
BV
Idea
Ide
Can be verbed. Ider - Think
*Intensifier*
(a)n
EoV. E.g. ban - destroy/kill (opposed to frawadij). "an" after consonant.
Is
Ok
Auxiliary. EoV. E.g. Mean frawadok - She is dying
Kid goat
Kith
Also means child
Land
Land
As in country.
Love
Elsk
Can be verbed
(Male) relative
Skjomm
Sometimes without "j". Femable
Man
Mah
Me
Mi
All English meanings
My
Mu
Not
Ik
EoV.
One who [has/had/will/is][verb]/One who [verb]
'enn
EoV.
Over
Obe
In senses of "above" and "more than"
Perfect
Fekt
Place of origin
Merk
Thus "landmerk" - native land
Protector
Helm
Self
Sel
"Myself" etc. form like English
Service
Theowpt
She
Mean
Two syllables - mé-an
Shield
Wighelm
Lit. "Battle protector"
Son
Skjun
Femable
Strong
Thor
Sword
Bloderij'enn
lit. "One who causes to bleed"
Tell
Te
That
Da
As in "I think that..." "He says that..."
That
Tah
As in "That man". Those = tahs. Those swords - Tahs bloderij'enns
Thing
Din
This
Tis
These = Tisse
Vow
Vow
Can be verbed
War
Wigan
Lit. "Great war"
We
Wi
Where
Hwar
All English meanings
When
Hwen
All English meanings
Which
Enn
Will
Ir
EoV. E.g. Han avir - He will arrive
Wolf
Ulf
Woman
Meah
You
Dyee
Object pronoun. Add "r" for plural.
You
Dyu
Subject pronoun. Add "er" for plural.
Current Vocabulary: Glandorian-Tharian
Glandorian
Tharian
Notes
Alle
All
Altaewe
Entire, complete, uncorrupted
-an
Variant of "-n" intensifier
Av
Arrive
Ba
Damage
Bis
Be
Irregular - Bith not bish
Blod
Blood
Can be verbed
Bloderij
Cut
lit. "cause to bleed"
Bloderij'enn
Sword
lit. "one which causes to bleed"
Brek
Break (as in be broken)
Thus brekik - unbroken, brekij - to break and brekikij - to mend (cause to be unbroken)
Da
That
As in "I think that..." or "He said that..."
Din
Thing
Dyee
You
Object pronoun. EoV. Add "r" for plural.
Dyu
You
Subject pronoun. BV. Add "er" for plural.
Ed
-ed
EoV. *Simple Past*
Elsk
Love
Can be verbed
Enn
Which
'Enn
One who [has/will/is/had] [verb]/One who [verb]
EoV
Fekt
Perfect
Fraw
Fight
Frawad
Die
In combat
Gjord
Fate
Both as word and as name for being
Ha
Have
Not auxiliary. Haij - Give (cause to have)
Han
He
Hau
House
Hein
His
Helm
Protector
Hwar
Where
All English meanings
Hwen
When
All English meanings
Ic
I
Ide
Idea
Can be verbed (ider - think)
Ij
Cause to
EoV.
Ik
Not
EoV.
Ir
Will
Auxiliary. E.g. Han avir -he will arrive
Kan
To be able
Kith
Child, kid goat
Meaning sometimes unclear - eg "Ic frawadij kith" - I kill the child, or I kill the kid goat?
Lam
Earth
As in clay, mud. Lam'en - earthly
Land
Land
As in country
Mah
Man
Main
Her
Possessive
Meah
Woman
Mean
She
Two syllables - mé-an
Merk
Place of origin
Thus landmerk - native country
Mi
Me
Mu
My
N (an after consonant)
*Intensifier*
Intensifier. EoV. Ban - destroy/kill (opposed to frawadij)
Nitj
Hateful
Obe
Over
In senses of "above" and "more than"
Ogj
And
Oj
Had
Auxiliary. EoV. E.g. Dyu avoj - You had arrived
Ok
Is
Auxiliary. EoV. E.g. Mean frawadok - She is dying
Ol
Do.../Will...
EoV. Indicates a question. E.g. Hwen dyu avirol? - When will you arrive?
Or
Has
Auxiliary. EoV. Ic teor - I have told.
Sel
Self
Myself etc. form like English
Skjun
Son
Sometimes without "j". Femable
Skjomm
(Male) relative
Sometimes without "j". Femable
Tah
That
Those: Tahs. Not as in indirect statements.
Te
Tell
Theowpt
Service
Thor
Strong
Tis
This
These: Tisse
Ulf
Wolf
Vow
Vow
Noun. Can be verbed.
Wend
Go
Verb.
Wi
We
Wig
Battle
Wigan
War
Lit. "Great Battle"
Wighelm
Shield
Lit. "Battle protector"
Current grammar - Nouns
"Den - The" is always implied unless real emphasis is required or in formal texts.
Genders - Masculine and feminine. Masculine - Men, boys, things to do with the land, anything in the domain of Hanranns; Feminine - Women, girls, things to do with the sea, anything in the domain of Meanra.
Singular:
Nominative - Mag Meag
Accusative - Mag Meag
Genitive - Mag'en Meag'en
Dative - Mag Meag
Plural: Add "s" to end. With genitive, position of "s" is important.
Mags'en - The men's (single object)
Mag'ens - The man's (many objects)
Mags'ens - The men's (many objects)
Genders:
"a" is often a feminine letter, "o" and "u" being masculine. Changing one of these into the other will change a noun to its other gender, e.g. skomm goes to skamm, male relative to female relative.
Current grammar - Verbs
Verbs such as "To Vow" can be formed from the noun by adding "er" to the end, or just "r" after an e
Direct and indirect objects go on the end. They are the same. Mi = me in all English meanings
Subject pronouns precede verb. Separate words.
Ik = not, goes on end of verb. Same with very etc.
Imperative = Infinitive = Present singular
Simple past = Infinitive + ed or d (after vowel; thus Ic aved - I arrived; Ic ted - I told
Present plural = Infinitive + h e.g.: I tell = Ic te; we tell = Wi teh
I - Ic Me - Mi
You - Dyu You - Dyee
He/She - Han/Mean (two syllables - mé-an) Him/Her -
We - Wi Us -
You - Dyuer You - Dyeer
They - Ser Them -
"Ol" means "do" etc. e.g. Dyu haol - Do you have?
With no pronoun, means "anyone" e.g. Haol - Does anyone have?
Bis - To Be:
Bis - 1st and 3rd sing.
Bith - 2nd sing. all plural (not Bish).
Current grammar - Plurals
Usually "s" or "se" if this causes no sound change.
Verbs - Add "h"
Sometimes add "r" or "er"
Suffix Order:
Apply from the back - order changes with meaning - "Ic brekikij" means "mend", but "Ic brekijik" means "I do not break"
Pronouns (mi etc.) go last
"Or", "ok", "ir", "oj", "ed" always come straight after 'enn, never before.
Haol ides?
(Does anyone have ideas?)
And my little translation for anyone who cares to try it:
Ic vowerdyee mu landmerk
Obe alle lam'ens dins
Altaewe ogj Brekik ogj Fekt
Theowept mu elsk'en
Anyone know the original patriotic hymn?
Well, the Bard got this. Here's the translation:
I vow to you my homeland
Over all earthly things
Entire and whole and perfect
The service of my love
Here's the original:
I vow to thee my country,
All earthly things above,
Entire, and whole, and perfect,
The service of my love
If anyone wants me to give some more example of how this works in practice, I've made lists of examples just for fun while I was doing this, but deleted them from this post because I thought they were clutter. Just ask and I will provide.
Ath.
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I tried to work out your patriotic hymn, but didn't have much success ... though at a guess, the one that goes the land of the free?
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No, it's not actually. I don't know how well known a hymn it is, but we sing it at school sometimes (mandatory nightly Chapel). I like it, especially the first verse, of which I've translated the first half. So it's half a verse we have here, and no actual religious connotations as such, just patriotic ones.
Thanks for the aura. I'll check whether I've provided all of the needed Glandorian for the song. I think I have, though some of the words are constructions that are only mentioned in the Notes - e.g., "landmerk" is formed of "land" and "merk" and isn't listed as such, just mentioned in the Notes column.
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oh ... knowing what country it is for would be helpful.
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Always willing to be helpful, but it doesn't mention any country. I think the words of the original poem were written by an Englishman, but it's not like Jerusalem and open about it. There's no mention of a particular country. I can't really be more open for obvious reasons.
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I do believe I've got it:
I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love....
A very nice 'translation', considering what you are working with! Bravo, Ath....
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Correct! Well done! "I vow to thee, my country" is the hymn. I hope I managed to get the sense across (nice thing about inventing a language, if I want to say something, I just make it up! Well, at this stage.) There was some paraphrasing - like "earthly things"="things of earth" But well done Bard.
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Don't mean to derail the topic here, but there isn't an issue with just sharing lyrics that have to do with God or making a simple expression about Him, is there? I don't think that would cause trouble.
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Maybe you could ask Arti to look over it for you before you get too far along with what your doing, Athviaro. A quick bell ring of him directing him to this thread would ensure he approves of it and that it fits with other things. I'm sure there won't be a problem, but better to be safe than sorry.
Oh ... and I was meaning more was it aimed at a particular country more so than was a particular country mentioned in the verse. Sorry for not being clearer.
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Bellrung. And I think you thought I was Alt. Still...*sigh*
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Ok, some first comments, Athviaro!
First of all: An
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for trying to make Glandorian a proper language, and for the work that has already gone into it so far.
Secondly, there's something very important you have to look into if you work on Glandorian, and that is to check out the
Avennorian Nomenclature thread
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Avennorian Nomenclature section
in the entry on the Avennorians.
To make it short: The Glandorians are the predecessors of the Avennorians, which means that Avennorian names are actually based on Glandorian. I have put together lots of typical Avennorian/Glandorian syllables already in my Santharian Names Generator program, in order to be able to construct proper names. This information you find in the entry on the site. If you look at those you'll see that they are heavily influenced by Scandinavian languages, so this should show very much in this language concept as well. Right now this information doesn't seem to have made it in full into your thread here - so make sure to study this and make it part of your current ideas and expand on it.
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First, thanks for the aura. Very kind of you.
Second, I've read the Avennorian entry several times and made two Avennorian character for the RP board, so I'm familiar with the nomenclature, and in my vocab lists you'll see skjun - son and skomm - male relative (both "femable" by changing "o" or "u" to "a"), as well as av - arrive, 'enn - one who [verb] and or - has (auxiliary). Unless I'm mistaken, this is all the preexisting Glandorian vocabulary. I'm also aware that the Avennorians are descended from the Glandorians, that the Glandorians are very Scandinavian, and I've done my best to get this across. Glandorian is based on English (te - tell), Danish (elsk - love) and German (alle - all), as wel as Old English (altaewe - entire). I used original Old English texts such as The Wanderer and corruptions of my limited Danish and German, as well as all the resources I could find. Very few of my words are made up with no basis. I'm not going to spend the time I spent on this without at least some assurance that it's in line with the ideas preexisting. In fact, I think the Scandinavian links attracted my love of Germanic languages and Danish heritage, as well as my latent patriotism.
I hope none of this comes across as rude or offhand - I'm typing in a bit of a rush, and I'm completely paranoid about that. I just wanted, essentially, to ask whether you were saying "change what you have - it doesn't fit the image" or "make sure you keep to the image as you continue working". So that's my response. You can ignore the above if you like.
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Oh, just wanted to say: More of the Scandinavian influences can't hurt, like weave further such syllables into your concept, that sort of thing
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Quote from: Andre on 24 January 2011, 18:01:41
Don't mean to derail the topic here, but there isn't an issue with just sharing lyrics that have to do with God or making a simple expression about Him, is there?
I don't think that would cause trouble
.
Only if I disagree with them
Seriously, I think it depends how you want to come across. If it's just an expression, not intended as stimulus for argument, it's probably OK, but it may be best to keep that out of the main fora - although if you want to discuss it in private with another member, that's your business. Say, for example, you post something like that in a thread in the general area, I may or may not respond, but I'd probably send you a PM if I did, or once it reached a point - as I've said before, I try to leave things like politics (I have very few) and religion (I have none) at the door when I come on Santharia, simply to preserve peace.
That said, I suppose the point is I'm not going to be tearing those apart in public, so if you religious people (I realise how that sounds, but there's no other way to say it) want to, meh. I'll try not to
burst your bubble
disrupt you.
That
said, check with Arti, not me.
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