Air or Water?

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Air or Water?

« on: 03 March 2011, 10:29:20 »

Will a spell that creates fog be a water or air spell? Because since fog is just really dense water particles in the air I thought water. But now I'm not so sure, because quite a lot of people often refer to fog as an air thing.

I'm a bit confused, so I thought I'd ask.


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« Reply #1 on: 03 March 2011, 16:23:07 »

Remember Ridgen that magic doesn't neccesarilly make sense with regards to real world science. The effect of the spell is determined by the property you use.

To create fog, you could use water and do things a little scientifically. Using sphere 2, create a dense little pocket of water ounia and increase the property of coldness slightly and liquidity. That would increase the humidity of the air and cool it to create a small bank of fog. Would be dependant on the available water.

Alternately, you could use the properties of wind to decrease the property of invisibility. It might not technically be fog, but it would obstruct sight and wouldn't be water dependant.

Those are just suggestions. Learn the properties, if you think there's a way to do it, try it.


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« Reply #2 on: 03 March 2011, 16:29:41 »

I agree. My opinion (uneducated as it may be) is that
a) There can be spells in different spheres for the same or similar effect and;
b) Since it all works on the same principle, even if the "official" fog spell were a water spell, there is no reason that a wind mage could not cause a similar magical effect.

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« Reply #3 on: 03 March 2011, 18:27:27 »

Well with 'Air' not being an element on Santharia, I would have to say Water. thumbup

On the other points made by the comments, fog could be made by just about every element, depending on environment in some cases. Even Fire could make fog with a readily available amount of water.


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« Reply #4 on: 03 March 2011, 20:24:39 »

Fire would create a type of steam by heating the water source. (sphere I)

Water would increase the presence of water ounia in the air (sphere II)

Air would have to manipulate existing fog, and couldn't create it without water. (sphere I)

Earth couldn't make fog, or steam, but perhaps dust in the air to obscure. (sphere II)


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« Reply #5 on: 03 March 2011, 22:05:47 »

I see. Thank you all for answering ^^


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« Reply #6 on: 04 March 2011, 21:12:04 »

By the way, while we're on the topic, is translucence/transparency a property of wind or water? =/


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« Reply #7 on: 05 March 2011, 00:11:27 »

Invisibility is recorded as being one of the properties of Wind, which I imagine could be construed as how transparent an object is.


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« Reply #8 on: 05 March 2011, 03:42:54 »

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« Reply #9 on: 05 March 2011, 04:29:13 »

Transparency is listed under Water properties, at least according to This debate. Although not written in stone, it is one of the most recent debates on the elemental properties.


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« Reply #10 on: 05 March 2011, 07:46:34 »

Forgive me that I seem to have stumbled into this debate rather late.

You have managed to pull out one of the many "gray" areas in magic, Rigden. I'm afraid that there is no easy answer to your question, because it's one of the many untouched areas in magic. My tendency is to lean toward Valan's explanation, which relies heavily on a scientific understanding of fog. However, the Santharian in me insists upon it requiring an arch school (or suitable circumstances for an Earth or Wind mage), and relying primarily on Xeua influence of Earth and Water and Ecua influence of Fire and Wind.

Wind seems to be the dominate influence for fog--at least we assume so because.. well.. it's in the air! But when we begin putting together the qualities of fog--its tendency toward liquidity, its general stillness, its veritable opaqueness--these are not qualities of wind. The only quality of wind it does seem to have is lightness.

Liquidity falls into the category of water, naturally, and stillness into that of earth. I make the argument here for, in terms of visual appearance, opaqueness being a quality of earth (just as transparency seems to be one of water; let us say invisibility is that of wind and apparition that of fire).

With enough water in the air, a wind mage might be able to create this effect by reducing the influence of his element, just as an earth mage might create it by increasing hers. When you reduce or increase the influence of one element, the other respond in kind; however, there is always a greater influence on one's opposite element, more or less.

I would like to hear people's thoughts on this matter, though.

Also, I think it appropriate to begin discussing some other "problem areas" in magic related to things like visual quality, taste, sound, scent, etc. We should decide, for example, if things like sound, taste, and scent should be categorizes in one element per, or if these things should be split up in kind (such as taste into bitter, sour, sweet, savory, salty) and distribute them in some fashion. Or perhaps we will decide that some of these too ineffable to be objectively manipulated, and the only way to influence them is through altering the car'all of the individual who should experience them.


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« Reply #11 on: 05 March 2011, 08:38:11 »

Thanks to you both