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[Deklitch Hardin]

Considering Eight Winds Bay does not have any plants larger than bushes/shrubs growing around Eight Winds Bay natively, Altario (that is from the original Blessed Sea Elf entry - the part about their housing originally having to be made of mudbricks rather than wood due to lack of trees) and it was primarily your idea/request that the two tribes were involved with each other around the tree, it is quite impossible for the Blessed Sea Elves to have brought the tree to the Antislar in the first place. As a result, I'll remove all mention of the Azigoor tree from the Eight Winds Bay entry and this history. You'll have to therefore remove any mention of the Blessed Sea Elves teaching them about the tree from your Azigoor tree entry as well.

Thanks for bringing up the error.

[Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels]

Dek, please!

This tree is only about three peds high, with not very strong trunks, I suppose, so not suited for building a wooden house (me being a specialist in this) , nor would they have want to use their precious trees for such usage.

In addition, that is how it is today. The area could have been forested, at least to a certain amount, back then, when the tree came to the Antislar.

No need to change anything, apart your sentence in the history table.

[Deklitch Hardin]

It's already been changed, Talia. Thanks for your help for picking up that error. There was something always bugging me with the Azigoor tree and it being used by both groups, and that was it ... why would they travel such a long distance about it? Also, Altario and I clearly had different views of it ... and the elves having it and taking it with them going north really doesn't make sense to me.

It has always been the case that there were no trees on the three islands of Eight Winds Bay. I got inspiration for that from the Faroe Islands on Earth that I read about when I was over at my sister and her partner's house a while ago ... they had a book of the Faroe Islands there, and the big thing they mentioned was the lack of trees ... due to the nature of the ground there ... and the need of trees for deep roots. I also got inspiration for that from the description of the islands being described as rocky and so forth from the Blessed Sea Elf entry. Here is a picture of one of the Faroe Islands. Lovely, and not a tree in sight!

If they (the BSE) were humans, I could accept the suggestion that you make about the trees could have been cut down in ages past and so forth by them ... but they aren't humans, they are elves ... as elves, I think they'd be more likely to keep the trees than cut them down ... and build the tree houses that are typical of other elves around Caelereth. So, as a result, the only logical explanation that I can come up with (and one that fits in with what seems to be the concept for these elves) is that when the elves first got there, there were no trees, not even the Azigoor, just shrubs, bushes, flowers, weeds and so forth.

[Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels]

Dek, please.

It's already been changed, Talia. Thanks for your help for picking up that error. There was something always bugging me with the Azigoor tree and it being used by both groups, and that was it ... why would they travel such a long distance about it? Also, Altario and I clearly had different views of it ... and the elves having it and taking it with them going north really doesn't make sense to me.

Dek, it is not changed - not in Alt's entry. You agreed once and it is not very helpful to take it back without even having talked to Alt - as I see it. You cannot just tell him to remove quite a part of his entry. Of course, these trees could come from elsewhere, but why changing an existing entry, if one can write around also?

It has always been the case that there were no trees on the three islands of Eight Winds Bay. I got inspiration for that from the Faroe Islands on Earth that I read about when I was over at my sister and her partner's house a while ago ... they had a book of the Faroe Islands there, and the big thing they mentioned was the lack of trees ... due to the nature of the ground there ... and the need of trees for deep roots. I also got inspiration for that from the description of the islands being described as rocky and so forth from the Blessed Sea Elf entry. Here is a picture of one of the Faroe Islands. Lovely, and not a tree in sight!

I agree, very lovely. But there could have been trees in former times, climachange , but if you don't want to have them there, they could have been farther south also, or they have been just two peds tall.

If they (the BSE) were humans, I could accept the suggestion that you make about the trees could have been cut down in ages past and so forth by them ... but they aren't humans, they are elves ... as elves, I think they'd be more likely to keep the trees than cut them down ... and build the tree houses that are typical of other elves around Caelereth. So, as a result, the only logical explanation that I can come up with (and one that fits in with what seems to be the concept for these elves) is that when the elves first got there, there were no trees, not even the Azigoor, just shrubs, bushes, flowers, weeds and so forth.

I did not propose, that they cut them down. They were never so common to be useful for anything else than harvesting the fruits, as far as I have read the entry. And never be suitable to live in them as the Maeverhim do! See, a rise in temperature of 5 degrees could have meant their death, a local illness the elves could not cure, a war... ! It is just a matter of wanting to have it that way, or not. I could even event a cosmological reason for that. Wait, I don't know, in which the disc tilts right now...

[Deklitch Hardin]

Talia, tell me what to do and I'll do it. However, if we keep on doing this, I'll soon have to ask my name to be taken off the Eight Winds Bay entry as it won't be my work any more, but rather the way that others view it. It is a shame, however, that people didn't pick up these 'errors' with it before it was put up on site. It was, afterall, under review for a long time.

I don't fully understand why others expecting me to change an entry of mine on site is fine (and it simply being made in a post in this thread(, but me suggesting the other party to change an entry of their's is not fine. One could almost think that is suggesting that my entries are not valued or something. But, I'm sure that's not the case at all. But still, it causes one to wonder.

Altario and I had discussed it more than in his entry ... we also exchanged PMs about it and discussed trade between the two tribes in the Eight Winds Bay entry thread, I think it was, ... obviously we ended up with different views of how it was working ... and just as obviously it was my fault that happened. Sorry for the confusion, I'll just agree with whatever anyone else tells me from now on ... that'll remove the confusion.

[Ta`lia of the Seven Jewels]

Dek, I hadn't seen, that you had it in your entry also, but the other way round.

Please, don't make more out of this little fruit bush than it is worth. Obviously neither you nor Altario had read what the other wrote - the final form. But that is no problem either, if we do not create one. And, this has nothing to do with me. I was just curious, because I'm a distance guy, ermm, no,  and think that we often forget, that back then, great distances were difficult to cover. But then we had the silk path also..

So now, you need to come together again to erase that problem and meet in the middle somewhere.

If Alt is fine with the fact, that the trees came from somewhere else, then ok, if not, I don't see, why you can take my proposal, that the trees grew somewhere in the region the Arthyron covered millenia back (Nauroth, Worldquest), when they traded them to the Antislar. Maybe they were so nice, that they wanted to help those lower races to survive... I don't think, that Alt will have problems with removing the Bay from the territory, if, you, the bay master, ask him nicely .



But I don't tell you, what you should do!

[Altario Shialt-eck-Gorrin]

Wow, what a kurfluffle.

Dek, you asked for the Azigoor to be there.  I had no mention of it until you asked me.  We both talked about the trade and defended it to Azhira.

Now, here is where we could compromise.  The tree is not common, as the Antislar, as stated in the entry, are the only tribe to fully maximise the growing techniques and have orchards of the trees.  It specifically states that the BSE do NOT do that.

So, a few scattered trees, not much larger than bushes, BTW, shouldn't change anything.  The sentence about the boats should be stricken, as it is stated in the Azigoor entry that the wood is too soft for building material.

As far as who taught whom, just switch the order of the tribes and no big deal.

It is also mainly around Adlin that the Artyrhón grow their groves of the azigoor tree, introduced to them by the Antislar.

  Either strike completely, or just the last part after the comma.

There are small groves of the azigoor tree near Adlin on the Peninsula of Kr'uul, which were introduced to the area by the Antislar who showed the elves how to grow and care for the trees.

  Again, only after the comma.

 

The wood of the azigoor trees, introduced to the area by the Artislar, is used by the Artyrhón to  build the boats they use on Eight Winds Bay and the rivers and other waterways near the bay.

Just change the boat material to wood from the conifers they trade for in the next sentence.

[Deklitch Hardin]

As this history is about the Bay, not the people who live there, I think the focus needs to be on things that impact on and are impacted by the bay. Obviously the people who live there will be included in it (and mentions of them would be included in their tribal history) but only to the extent that it involves the Bay in some way.

If the trees don't grow around Eight Winds Bay, there is no need to mention them in this history part, is there? As Talia mentioned the other cities of the BSEs, Naurooth, Worldsview is far away from Eight Winds Bay. it can come from there rather than around Eight Winds Bay or on the islands.

As a result of that, there is not really a need for the Azigoor to be mentioned in either the history or the entry of Eight Winds Bay, as far as I am concerned. The entry and the history of the Blessed Sea Elves, on the other hand, is another thing totally.

Thus, the myths linking Gouran to the Bay will get a mention in the bay history, but not her killing her mother (as it happened far from the bay). Similarly, the meeting hosted by the Arthyron gets an entry (as it is on Big Island), but the earlier meeting hosted by the Injerin only gets a passing mentioned, as it has nothing directly to do with the Bay. Similarly, the exploits of the elves in exploring the Bay and so forth gets mentioned in this history, but not the other exploits and discoveries by the BSEs. Ooh ... the youth whoo was considered both reckless and heroic will be quite the explorer, I think ... perhaps even going on five voyages of discovery.

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